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Jul
2007
llmunchkin

When Advice Isn't Advice...

by llmunchkinComment Published at 16:4016:4015 comments15 comments131 Visits131 VisitsReport
At the moment, there are still a lot of advice posts that should clearly be in Q&A, and some that should clearly be in either a personal, or group blog.  Personal opinions and experiences are a part of providing advice - for of course you agree with and understand your own advice.  Merely venting or providing your personal opinion without providing a solution or course of action that is helpful isn't advice.  I feel these postings detract from the genuinely helpful and original advice articles that have been posted.  As a collective group of advice, it brings down the total value of information produced by site members. 

Some advice about particularly traumatic experiences and how the writer dealt with them are advice - for those experiences help other people who may be in the same situation, but are afraid to speak out, or seek help.  It also helps the rest of us to have empathy for people in those situations and perhaps to recognise the signs that someone may need assistance.

People shouldn't have to sift through to find the real advice when they click on 'read advice' they would already have done that on a web based search.  When someone looks for advice on Minti, they should know that they are getting advice that is going to be of assistance to them.  Be it parenting advice or information about the site itself and online communities that will help them to get the most out of their experience on Minti.

Minti's profile is growing daily, and increasingly, when you google a parenting concern, it is Minti advice that features highly on the first search page.  It is because of this that I think we need to raise the standard and tidy up the advice section, so that we can be taken seriously.  Even if people choose not to join Minti, they should feel that if they need good advice, or want to recommend an advice site to someone else, that Minti has good quality, down to earth, original, positive, helpful advice.  It should be easy to read, presented in a format that is easy on the eye, and we should take note of the little red line that appears under incorrectly spelt words, and try to get that right too - whenever possible, we all make typos - however they can be edited later.

All the articles in the Advice section are a reflection of the people who make Minti tick - us, the members.  The same can be said for all the comments that belong to that advice - so we need to try not to resort to swearing, or personal attacks.  ANYONE can read the advice section and vote on the advice - let's hope that it is advice that shows Minti in a good light.  We owe it to each other and certainly to the team that created Minti to keep this in mind at all times.

The votes don't necessarily reflect this either, as there are sympathy votes for all sorts of stories and poems that are very touching and great to read, yet they aren't original, and should be in blogs.  Many people when advised that their question should be in Q&A are just leaving it in advice - then to top it off, they get sympathy votes, so that question gets a high ranking as advice - and keeps popping up when you do a search on that topic.  We need to keep that in mind when voting - it does affect the listings when people search for advice.  Let's all work to maintain the integrity of Minti Advice and keep using our emails, lounges, personal blogs and group blogs for our general personal opinions, poems and emails.

I don't like reporting questions that are in advice, or things that don't look original etc.  However if people keep insisting, can we devise some sort of generic, friendly, explanatory email that gets sent to them giving them say 48hrs to re-post it in the appropriate forum?  If they don't take that option, they could be sent another one to say that it has now been re-posted in Q&A if appropriate, and since we can't post it to their blog, we could start another group to store what someone wrote and they can choose to repost it somewhere else if they choose?

I am going to email this to Angie and Clay anyway, as I really think it is something that needs attention.  I myself tried to do a soft sell on this by writing about how fun it is to write advice, then linking to all the other great articles on writing advice, however I don't think that is enough on it's own.  Perhaps we should change the write advice page and make put this, ' Click here if you already know how to write a parenting advice article for Minti.' At the bottom of the page, and the note about Q & A at the top? 

Has anyone else had any thoughts along these lines, or does anyone have any suggestions about how this can be approached without upsetting anyone? 

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lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | lexiw
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...

This is so well written Lui Excellent job hunni MWAH

 Lexi xxx



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llmunchkin
July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
Well I am one of the first mother's to return from maternity leave at my work, and there are quite a few due back also.  Many of the guys have young babies and pregnant wives - there is a baby epidemic on the North Shore - they are everywhere - plus I guess I am at that age where all of a sudden my friend's are getting in the family way too.

A lot of the guys I know, say their wife wants to know about this and that, or their wife is lonely and bored sometimes when the baby is asleep, and ask me for advice to help.  I also know parent's through sports, daycare and play group - most of whom are very intelligent and well educated - yet they still worry about the simpler day to day things, like feeding, sleeping, socialisation etc.  I personally believe that real parents give far better answers than Doctors and so-called experts on these day to day things. 

When I refer them to Minti, I want them to be able to easily find advice of a slightly higher caliber than what they can get off the back of a cornies packet.  Also, I expect it to be original and even if researched, at least based on the author's personal experience, or that of someone they know.

So yeah, like most things I choose to participate in - I am quite passionate, for as a contributor, I do feel a little ownership and responsibility.  (I hope you guys don't mind!).

There are plenty of other websites with generic free tips that they email, or that you can look up.  I find that information is like a basic skeleton - the best information on Minti has flesh and bones added to it - it is human advice, alive and in real time - with wonderful feedback from a great community of caring, loving parents who all have one common goal.  To be the best parent's they can possibly be, to help each other to do that.


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      Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Jessgore
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
This is great..
The best thing I like reading advice from someone who has personally experienced what they wrote about if it pertains to me I know that I am not alone in the matter, that there is hope at the light of the tunnel.... And also I know if that person experienced it I can ask other questions that may not have been in the advice itself. But have a one on one chat with some one who knows what I am going though....


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           llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
Thanks Jess - me too!  Some of the advice on here is absolutely fantastic, it is obvious when it is written from the heart, original, well researched, and it is a pleasure to read.  I bookmark my favourite ones, and send links to my friends that aren't on Minti too.


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                Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Jessgore
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
The ones that don't need to be researched are the best because you then know for sure they have been learned from experience... LOL


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      ClayCook
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | ClayCook
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
this is EXACTLY what I like the best also... it also happens to be how I vote too ;)


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ClayCook
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | ClayCook
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
llmunchkin,

I love your passion for Minti!

I am not eager to start cleaning/clearing out the advice or Q&A area due to a few main reasons.

However what I think we should all do is vote accordingly. If something is not good advice then vote it as such (ie: poor vote). If something is extremely hard to read please vote it as such.

Poor votes are intended to... push bad advice down, and hopefully cause the author to improve his or her game.

My 2 cents ;)

Clay


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      Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Jessgore
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
Also poor votes are designed to push the higher voted advice to the top so that when people search for something they will find advice that has been highly recommended by a lot of readers that have either had success with that particular piece of advice or have been used it in the past.  In turn helping the person doing the searching to get what they need faster...


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      ClayCook
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | ClayCook
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
people seem to be scared to vote "poor"... they shouldn't as it is anonymous and it actually helps rank the advice.


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           angieh
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | angieh
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
I agree, but people can get quite touchy when their advice is voted lowly or isn't voted on at all. I guess we all have pride in our work regardless if it is fantastic or not!


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                llmunchkin
July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
I understand this, and I do empathise with them, however they should look at it as an opportunity to improve. 

From what I have seen, the people who get their back up are often posting quantity not quality, and they aren't commenting on other people's advice, Q&A or blogs.  They don't have a full grasp of what it means to participate, or a clear understanding of what people want to read, and what standard they expect.


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angieh
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | angieh
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
Clay ultimately has the decision, but we can devise some sort of generic friendly explanatory email to put it into the correct areas, but some people don't like that. Plus in regards to the Q&A, we have decided to put anything they want in there as long as it is a question.

The problem is trying to keep up with what content is supposed to go where.

Also, if we do have to move it for them, then it is not possible for Admin such as myself to post it in the relevant group for them under their name.

I have previously asked for a "closed q&a" feature and a moving of items feature but this was rejected by both Clay and Matthew.


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      llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
Cool, I will just keep on sending people links to the editorial guidelines, and encourage people to read it. 

I still think we should just go and clear out the Q& A anyway though.  It drives me nuts when I am looking for info on a subject, and these ones pop up in advice. 


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MumKim
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MumKim
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
How do you do it? Once again you have taken what I have also been thinking and expressed it extremely well. Have you been reading my mind again?


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      llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: When Advice Isn't Advice...
LOL - I saw your posts AFTER I wrote this, I will get back to you later we are due out for lunch about half an hour ago!

Tell me what you think of this one then:


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