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enjoyed this very much, thanks for the link!

Just saw this a bit late...

In no state in Australia is it mandatory to be vaccinated before attending any pre-school, day-care or school.

Anyone who tells you differently is ignorant or misinformed, as a parent it is your decision, they are your children not the governments.   

Have a look at the legislation if you are worried

SAdly you are right, BUT a school can refuse your application for just not wanting your child to have these shots. (I know this from my sister as she could not have some of her shots)

But in the end it is you as the parents choice to do this, I personally think these things were made to stop viruses (hey guess what they do!) and there is no proven link to Autism from this shot.

That's exactly how i felt too. 

Just to let you know that friends who haven't immunised have had to get a letter form the Health Dept (or whoever deals with that sort of thing) stating they didn't immunise and have not had any trouble getting their kids into daycares/kindy's.  I believe if there is a disease going around they have to keep them away though.

Aha - I guess that is why they photo copy their blue books and all that jazz too.  Though I think it may be an individual decision, the two that we have used actually did require the kids to be up to date.

Could be different from State to State?

I had a read of the article, now if we are reading the same thing maybe I missed something.

I would love a brief explanation of the progress of genetic research into autism in your own words, maybe I might see what you are seeing

Here are the numbers he cited:

I don't know about in other countries, but here our government are stingy buggers. They won't accept a price from a pharmacudical company on any new drug to be put on the PBS system until the company is willing to drop the price so much they're pretty much running at a loss.

So how do those companies make their money here? Did you know that you can go to a pharmacy and purchase a no particular brand name of 500 mg paracetamol tablets in packs of 100 tablets for about $350... or you can go and buy a pack of 24 x 500 mg paracetamol tablets from the supermarket for the same price under the brand name Panadol. Gee, I wonder what silly fools are giving those companies their money? Sure as hell isn't our government and their vaccination program.

Can you back that up?  Pharmaceutical companies give away vaccines?  I would love to see a link supporting that claim.

I mean pharmaceutical companies are known to be kind and caring.

Hmmm i feel a line coming up

GET A GRIP

ROFLROFLROFL!!! I'll try that again... $3.50

Amazing what one little left dot can do. LOL

I'm not against vaccination but i hardly believe the drug companies are doing it for nothing.  We are not talking one or two vaccinations here but millions.  I'm sure it is worth their while. . 

And in the UK they cant (or dont?) sell paracetamol in packets of more than 16 any more, and your limit is 2 packs in one visit (to avoid abuse/suicide), and can you guess how much they charge? About 25p for the unbranded stuff. When they sold them in 32s, DH says they cost 1p each. Licence to print money!

i have often wondered if they creat illnesses just to charge you for the remidies....

xoxo

Yep, they most definately do that! Measles, chicken pox, polio, smallpox, hepatitis, and all those other diseases that are vaccinated against were well documented.... by pharmacudical companies of course!... hundreds of years ago!!!

Get a grip.

are you telling me to get a grip... if you are i think thats extreamly rude.

I was not refering to diseases, i said illnesses.. like new strains of flu ect..

The get a grip comment wasn't a personal attack on you, it was tongue in cheek cynicism with regards to the general concept of creating illnesses just to sell a cure for it. I meant to stick a winking smiley after it and forgot, sorry.

As for illnesses v's disease, flus etc; are diseases. An illness can be anything, be it contageous (like a cold) or developed (like cancer). If it is something we can 'catch' off someone else it is a disease.

The reason why we keep getting new versions of flus is because they are viruses. Anti-biotics won't kill a virus btw, the only thing we can do to fight against them is immunise. Viruses mutate their form far too often to stop them. We can immunise against them, which prevents us from being effected as badly, but it doesn't stop it from existing, or from us contracting it and passing it to others even if we aren't suffering from its effects.

They aren't necessarily different flus, probably is the same one that came round last year, and 10 years ago, and 100 years, even 1000 years ago, its just mutated its form, so it can attack again in a different way. Thats why they're referred to as different strains of flu as opposed to just being called a different flu.

And because of the way viruses mutate so readily, it is possible for me to have one, pass it on to you, and by the time I've recovered and my immune system has done its job, I can catch it back off you again in a different form that my immune system hasn't seen yet, so I get sick all over again.

Viruses really suck. Give me bacteria and fungi any day!

i guess you can say anything you want so long as you put a winking smiley after it....

hmm..  i wonder what i could get away with saying

Lol...maybe who knows!!  They can certainly try and 'cure' everything and in the process get rich.  It's up to the individual whether or not to vaccinate but i really don't think the medical profession gives us much info on it, just do it...you know.  I have many frieds who chose not to immunise and their children aren't any more sick than mine.

And then places like the Netherlands where polio hadn't been seen for so many years and people stopped vaccinating their kids from it suddenly had a massive epidemic of it about 15 years or so ago because the disease still exists, we just don't see it much because most of us are vaccinated.

Same is happening in the UK with measles, and with TB as people come in from parts of the world where they're not routinely vaccinated. People forget how dangerous these illensses are. One of my friends had very poor eyesight from measles as a kid. Some children even die during measles epidemics. My dad had the almost full list of illnesses we are imunised against as a kid and managed to survive, but I had all the vaccines!

"From all the reading I've just done, it seems the whole vaccine thing has been totally ruled out"

yet there has never been a study conducted amongst un-vaccinated populations, such as the Amish population in North America.

If a pharmaceutical manufacturer wanted to introduce a new drug they would have to do a placebo controlled, double blind study to prove effectiveness and potential side effects.

This has never been done with the MMR vaccine.

What reading have you done to suggest that it has been totally ruled out

Ahh... You're talking about the USA. Screw that, I'm Australian and I plan to stay that way. We don't just accept that because a drug was tested in the USA it's all okay, it gets re-tested all over again here. Many of the drugs that are released there are not released here for ten years or more after it hit the markets there because of it. Some are never released at all. Makes ya wonder eh.

and i will pose the question again:

what reading have you done to say that it has totally been ruled out?