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Hi there!

We're Shelton & Brandi Koskie. The long and short of it is that we've been trying to get pregnant for a little over two years. And while we were sure we were doing it right, we decided to visit our doctor about six months ago- in December 2005.

After a lot of time with many doctors we learned in April that our only choice is through In Vitro Fertlization (IVF).

We were given an estimate for this procedure a little over $15,000 and told to allow for up to $20,000. And we don't really have that kind of dough lying around.

We also started doing research to learn what other couples had to say about their experiences with IVF- but could find very, very little. Everything we found was so textbook.

So we put our heads together and with the generous assistance of some very good friends, we started the Web site www.babyorbust.com.

If we can get 20,000 people to visit the site and each donate $1- then we'll be able to have our first baby. And, we're going to keep a blog so that we can journal every detail of our experience. Hopefully, other couples will find this to be a valuable resource.

Please help us by sharing our site with as many people as you can.

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michellei
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | michellei
Baby or Bust!

Hi Guys,
I am in Australia and it has taken us 6 years in total to get pregnant. Two years unsuccessful, two years on ivf and now another two years unsuccessful.
I think that during the two years we did ivf we spent around $30 k (au$).

We had IVF actually ICSI (Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection). We had 2x complete drug cycles, 3x natural cycles (1x which was cancelled), 1x miscarriage (twins), 1x Miss Cheeky Chops aka Olivia who will be two in Nov.

The road is long and hard but like you we had age on our side.
We also considered adoption and were just starting our on our journey before we tried ivf again.

Silly me, I am thinking about doing it again next year.

Good luck.

Take care and be well, Michelle



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      michellei
4.09 (Good) | October 2006 | michellei
Baby or Bust!
I have also donated


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Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | Jessgore
can't believe the responses
I can not believe some of the responses in this blog. I thought we were all better then that. Every one has a right to their own opinion yes, but to attack with out knowing the exact story and all its details is just not nice. I would like to say good job to babyorbust for responding so well. I myself don’t think I would have responded so kindly if at all for fear of what I might have said. Something like this must be such an emotional coaster ride, and I see babyorbust is doing a great job in keeping cool. Your website is set up really well and it is great that people can keep track of what how you are using the money. It also helps those who are going through the same thing so that they can see what their expenses will be like…. I think you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work and keep smiling.. Just because some people don’t agree with you does not mean what you are doing is wrong.. They have the choice to donate or not to donate to disagree or not disagree… That is their opinion and you are handling it with ease… Congratulations on being so strong.   I don’t think I could have handled it the way you have.


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      Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | Jessgore
can't believe the responses
And you know she did not actually ask us to donate she said  "If people donate." I think there is a difference....


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madonna
4.64 (Excellent) | August 2006 | madonna
keep smilin

Hi there Shelton and Brandi I know what you must be going through as my husband and I had to go through IVF and it cost us 130,000

but in the end it was all worth the effort we have a beautiful healthy baby boy after just 2 attemps.

He is know 9 and a half months old and just as healthy as the day he was born so keep a focous on the road ahead  and keep on smiling even when you do not think you can........................................

good kuck Madonna



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      ClayCook
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | ClayCook
130k
how can it possibly cost that much money?
i just cant comprehend it...?


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      BabyorBust
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | BabyorBust
keep smilin
$130k!?!   I can't imagine. I'm so glad to hear you got to have a child that made it all worth it.


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yumsus
3.67 (Good) | July 2006 | yumsus
Good idea! (Just made a donation)
Hi Brandi,

We were also on the verge of trying IVF and found the costs prohibitive. Great idea having a website for it, and I wish you both the best of luck!


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      BabyorBust
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | BabyorBust
Good idea! (Just made a donation)
Many thanks. I hope whatever road you choose brings you success.


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           yumsus
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | yumsus
Good idea! (Just made a donation)
Thanks! And great to see you're still on Minti


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lindterbean
4.61 (Excellent) | July 2006 | lindterbean
March of Dimes
I myself have mixed feelings about all this.

I can definitely understand where you are coming from - we have been trying to conceive for almost a year and have recently kicked our efforts up a notch (we're paying more attention to the science, people, for all of you snickering out there .) We are also a little past our baby-making prime so that is a concern as is the money issue: both of us work over 40 hours a week as it is, and here you don't get paid for maternity leave, so I am trying to save up 3-4 month's salary as well as my bit of the medical costs and we have 8 years of college support for my 2 stepdaughters staring us in the face starting now. But, we are just gritting our teeth and making due. You're right. It's that important.

Still, I don't disagree with some of the criticisms placed out there, although I don't feel like you are responsible for all the evil in the world for wanting money to help with starting your family. Keep in mind that taking care of the child works out to be much more expensive than even the IVF, what with food, clothes, doctors visits and so on (braces: $4000 right there). I think also there is a general resentment to capable people asking for charity unless all other options have been exhausted. I think the guy on the street corner with the cardboard sign listening to the MP3 player must get less support than the one with the bag of oranges, especially if the people he's asking can't afford MP3 players themselves.

All this must be taking its toll stresswise on you as well. Not conducive to conception. IVF or not. I know I personally don't respond very well to abusive language. Maybe some of this could be mediated by putting a link on your site to another related charitable organization as well like The Gabriel Project or March of Dimes.

Passed along from friends who have adopted:
even though you have a lot on your plate right now, if you are thinking of adopting in the future, you may want to start researching now. It is often a long road and I know quite a few infertile couples who have miraculously gotten pregnant within a year after they have adopted a baby. I have no idea why.

Good luck with the child, however things work out. Remember, nature has a way of surprising you.

PS- do wish people would be a little less accusatory on the site. Disagreements can be handled without abusive language. If someone feels very strongly on a topic, it would be nice if they would please take a minute and then state their argument clearly and openly. Probably more effective too.


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      lindterbean
3.17 (Average) | July 2006 | lindterbean
oh, and. . .
Another thought - I know I am more likely to donate things instead of money - there is so much stigma attatched to currency. (We are constantly sending new rubber hoses to the local animal rescue and food coupons to the local guys under the bridge). Perhaps if you included an address and a list of necessities on your site (maybe not your own address but one set up to receive things at the post office) you could use those items to take care of some everyday living expenses and have more available cash towards your cause.

I work in marketing myself. Can you tell? -ha.


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      Izzy
3.00 (Average) | July 2006 | Izzy
I agree.

OK, I had written a response but it disappeared.. :(

Basically, I agree with you.  We can make our opinions known without expletives and without being demeaning. We're all parents here and can sympathize & empathize with each other... just be kind.



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me
2.21 (Poor) | July 2006 | me
Selfish
How pathetic.   Begging for money so you can have a baby.     Are you going to be begging for money to raise the child?    Put the kid in daycare while you both work and beg for more money to pay for the daycare?  Which makes me wonder why parents have kids in the first place just to have someone else raise them.

The world has enough unwanted children in the world as it is, please don't add to it.

if God wanted you to have kids, you already would.    Learn from God's lesson and adopt someone that no one else wants.

And sell your house if you need money.


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      madonna
3.35 (Average) | August 2006 | madonna
Selfish
How pathetic are you aND RUDE DONT COMMENT ON OTHERS MIS FORTUNE UNTIL YOU HAVE TO GO THRUOGH SIMILAR EXPERIENCES


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      ClayCook
3.60 (Good) | July 2006 | ClayCook
Selfish
try contributing something useful, not just signing up and the next minute sending out a flame comment like this one.


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           somepeople
3.67 (Good) | July 2006 | somepeople
Selfish
actually his comments are very wise and if you had half an ounce or selfless moral, you would realize that what you are asking from people is astronomically selfish, given the other resources you are lucky enough to have. Obviously, you do not truly understand how inane this appears to most people.


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      Sheeka
2.93 (Average) | July 2006 | Sheeka
Selfish
haha.. I totally agree. Sell your friggin' second home and pay for your own damn In Vitro.  I feel sorry for all the people who donate money to you guys and not to an organization that actually does something... like, oh, I dunno, AIDS, world hunger, cancer research...

Shame on you.


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           BabyorBust
3.18 (Average) | July 2006 | BabyorBust
Selfish

In all fairness, if we did have two homes we would certainly sell one. There is a place on the website that says we've just purchased our second home. That was of course after successfully selling the first one. Sorry for the confusion. We’re working on removing that sentence.



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           ClayCook
3.34 (Average) | July 2006 | ClayCook
Selfish
again... another member who has signed up and within 2 minutes, created this comment and no other activity yet.
try make yourself useful to people here.


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                mrslunar
3.08 (Average) | July 2006 | mrslunar
Selfish

Twas probably someone who doesn't want to be identified, but I have no problem being open......

I completely disagree with this site. It's offensive to me and seems very selfish. If they can afford a nice wedding, a second home, a mac, and squishy down comforters, they can afford IVF themselves. It's really crappy that they have a very privaleged life and only want to share it with a biological child they want other people to pay for. :(



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                     BabyorBust
3.24 (Average) | July 2006 | BabyorBust
Selfish

Again, these are all things purchased prior to our knowledge of the situation. We could sell our blanket on e-bay, but would we get enough money to buy a replacement? Our parents paid for our wedding, as is the case with most couples. We have but one home and if you must know it was well under six figures. Two bedrooms. One bath. But we'd like to work on the finishing the attic someday. The Mac was purchased with student loan money and was needed for a girl in pursuit of an advertising degree.

We don't live a "privileged" life by any means. I don't think we are poor either. We are average, middle class people starting out the way most couples do. The difference is that we have been presented with a debt we must take on in order to try and have a child. We thought of a creative way to handle the challenge: tell the story, link to helpful sites, make it possible for people to help us by donating.

And no, I don't feel ashamed. I'm proud of my wife for having such a good idea. I remember thinking that our children were going to have to take on the same student loans that we pay every month. I think it's natural for every parent (or parent-to-be) to want the best for their kids and I don't want our children to have to pay for their tuition. I'd like to be able to save enough over the next twenty years to cover that cost for them. That was one of the driving reasons for me. I didn't want to spend their college money to bring them into this world.

The week before we found out about all of this we had purchased a dining room table. We had every intention of buying chairs but we decided not to in light of this discovery. We've borrowed two chairs from relatives but anybody who comes by must sit on the couch. It's one of a hundred sacrifices we've made. We were going to buy a dishwasher since we don't have one. Nope. We had a vacation to Boston all planned out, our first trip since the honeymoon. Canceled. We can't go see her brother get married because it's out of state and out of budget.

I try not to get too defensive and react to every criticism but you certainly made some valid points they deserved addressing. If after all of this you still don't agree, I'm sorry. We are going to try and create a family. We are going to do it our way, with God and love and hope in our hearts. You are certainly under no obligation to support us in our endeavors.



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                          Izzy
2.44 (Poor) | July 2006 | Izzy
Great job.
I think you guys are doing very well responding to what people say. This is exactly what I mean when none of us know all that much about you aside from what's on your website, which in the grand scheme of things, isn't that much at all.  Well done responding in such a none reactive way.


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Jacquie
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | Jacquie
Lower Cost IVF

Hello Brandi and Shelton

My name is Jacquie and I would like to share my recent experience with you. 

I have been trying to get pregnant for close to 6 years and have also been unsuccessful.  I have also spent thousands of dollars for some of the newest technology but to no avail.

One day I was doing some research on the internet and came across a site that spoke of a well known Indian Physician by the name of Dr Malpani.  I conversed with him over several months and also researched the technology of Indian fertilization techniques and cost.  To my suprise, I found that the cost to travel, stay, complete IVF, and pay for meds was over HALF as cheap as it was to do here in the states!  The cost is so much cheaper and there are not the same "laws" for IVF as we have here in the states.

My partner and I had 12 eggs removed and 6 of them fertilized.  Of those 6 eggs, 4 were pliable enough for implantation.  We had a successful treatment!

Please let me know if you would like more information about Dr Malpani and his practice.  MY email is MsJax2u@cox.net.

Good luck

Jacquie



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      BabyorBust
July 2006 | BabyorBust
Lower Cost IVF
Thanks for the information. It does sound interesting but I also feel a little hesitant just because we love our doctor so much. Then again, half the cost (and an included vacation) sounds nice too. Could you post some of useful links so we can read more about it?

Thanks,
Shelton


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      ClayCook
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | ClayCook
Lower Cost IVF
well done Jackie! i am so happy you found this site and are able to help the babyorbust'ers :)


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ClayCook
July 2006 | ClayCook
how much have you raised
hi guys - how much have you raised to date and when did you start?
Also - not to sound negative, but how can people confirm that it is not a scam and the money will in fact be used for IVF?
look forward to your reply.


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      BabyorBust
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | BabyorBust
how much have you raised

Thanks for the questions Clay-
I haven't added in today's totals but we're somewhere around $480- that's with service fees subtracted. We're pretty excited.

The legitimacy was something we've wanted to make people comfortable with. We had a professional web design company build the site so it wouldn't look hokey (all their services donated). We're disclosing every medical expense, itemized on the progress/expense page.

In the FAQ section we had a question "How do I know you're not out buying hot dogs and fishing poles with all the money?" Our answer is that we're just honest people and we hope people will trust that. We're also working with our attorney to put together a notarized letter than we can mail to people who want more support than that.

Thanks-
Brandi & Shelton



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           ClayCook
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | ClayCook
how much have you raised
Minti just donated a small amount.
We wish you the best of luck. I hope you canstick around Minti and let us know how it all goes.


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                BabyorBust
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | BabyorBust
how much have you raised
Thank you Clay and Minti for your donation. Very generous of you and we really appreciate it. It will be posted online tonight when we get home from our day jobs. :)


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                     ClayCook
July 2006 | ClayCook
how much have you raised
no problems - its from Minti and as I said just a small amount - but everything counts.


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matthew
July 2006 | matthew
Best wishes folks!
Enjoyed checking out your site and hope it all goes well :)


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      BabyorBust
July 2006 | BabyorBust
Best wishes folks!

Thanks for stopping by, as well as the very generous donation.

B&S



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Izzy
3.40 (Average) | July 2006 | Izzy
Very resourceful.

Your website is a very resourceful idea. I hope you get to your goal quickly. $20,000 is a lot of money. Is there any part of the treatment covered at all by insurance? That's a tough one.

Welcome to Minti!



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      BabyorBust
July 2006 | BabyorBust
Very resourceful.

The first $500 of our treatment was covered. Our initial consult and exam totaled $420. You can imagine the other $80 is long gone. You can visit the Progress & Expense page on the site to follow all of our expenses thus far- and we've barely gotten started.

THanks.
B&S



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lillyanka
July 2006 | lillyanka
Hey!

Just in case you guys want to learn about other people's experience with IVF (which comes with a pretty happy ending) you should go to A little pregnant. I love the way Julie writes; you can just feel everything she went through.

And I will definitely visit your site! I hope it all turns out well for you guys.

Lilly



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      BabyorBust
July 2006 | BabyorBust
Hey!

Oh great, thanks for the link! We love to hear other happy endings... makes us feel all the more hopeful.

Thanks.
B&S



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allyp
July 2006 | allyp
Baby or Bust

I am sorry to hear about that. I know that it's every womens wish to have a baby naturally.

I will talk to my husband, and we'll visit the site. I hope you get the 20,000 people to visit that site to help you guys out.

Good Luck, and I hope everything goes well for you guys!



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      BabyorBust
July 2006 | BabyorBust
Baby or Bust

Thanks so much for the kind wishes and for sharing our link.


B&S



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