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Ok so the story goes . . .

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Ok so the story goes . . as you can tell from reading my previous blog we were having more troubles with the in-laws yet again and I have been too angry and upset over the past couple of days to blog. So I've finally pulled my finger out and this is how it went. FIL had dropped off the presents at my mother's house (in it were 3 or 4 for Jesse and 1 each for Sam and I). The card that was meant for us which had movie tickets in it had been stolen by Sam's brother when we originally had just returned the card.

So we put it out of our minds on Christmas day and had Sams Uncle over in the morning which went well. And even he said they were pressuring us too much and to just cool it from them (and he is mother in law's sister) so there you go. Even he thinks they're in the wrong and we're in the right. And we didn't even have a bitch to him - the mother in law had done all the bitching lol!! We just said we were cut out and we didn't now why - boom boom!

Then it was Chrissy lunch at my Nan's house with all my extended family where Mum brought along all the pressies from the in-laws!! Grrrr so when we left Nan's we had to decide what to do with the pressies. So we pulled into a carpark and had a talk while Jesse sleeped in the car seat. I told Sam I didn't want to interfere and it would have to be his decision as I didn't want be blamed yet again for another family interference. I did however say that I wouldn't be accepting the present from them as they have disrespected me and hadn't even spoken to me in 6 months but as for Jesse's and his it was up to him. So in the end he decided he wanted to return his and Jesse's presents as well. In hearing this I suggested he leave a note with the presents explaing how we felt so it didn't look AS rude!! The note went something like this:

"I don't understand why you are giving us presents if you two have cut me and my family out of your lives? If you haven't cut us out of your lives and it was all just a joke then you have seriously hurt me, Samantha and Jesse. If it wasn't a joke and you have cut us out of your lives then please stop playing these mind games with us and please leave us alone. I hope you can understand now why we can't accept these gifts. All the best for the new year."

And so we dropped the presents back off out the front of their house with the note and then left. At first we felt really guilty because we are both very nice people who hate conflict and our conciences were killing us but we reasoned that everyone makes mistakes. And if we had just made a big mistake then at least we can be adult enough to admit it and we would apologise if it had unintentionally hurt anyone. But as we drove on and discussed things further we knew we had done the right thing by our own little family as we had the feeling we were just being manipulated yet again.

So the night was going well (keeping in mind this was still Christmas night) and so at 9pm I decided to have a shower before we would settle down and play with the playstation games we had received for Chrissy. Then after I had hopped in there was a knock at my door and immediately we suspected it was father in law. I told Samuel to simply open the door and ask him to leave. After all it was late and we were looking forward to having a bit of alone time together now that the family do was over and done with. Well when it had been about 5 mintues and he still hadn't left I wrapped a towl around myself and listened at the door as father in law hadn't been invited in. Gah he could have at least called first!

Basically I heard Sam getting a telling off like he was still a child and saying that his mother was hurt yet again. Sam said nothing. His father continued he never had cut him out of the family he had just got his wording wrong - YEAH RIGHT!! FIL always changes his wording afterwards but their actions speak louder than words and they hadn't spoken to us in 6 MONTHS!! To which Sam said well that's what you said - once again the blame was put back on Sam. And still Sam said nothing. Then Sam asked well why hasn't Mum contacted me or Sam in 6 months to which FIL replied Sam would have to make the first move. God - how old are they? And it's them who we are waiting for an apology from. And then his father went on to say that his mother was torturing herself every night looking at photos of Jesse. And I'm listening in thinking - um hello if she is that upset about the situation then it dosn't take much for her to scribble a note saying hey let's work this out!! But still Sam said nothing. And then finally Sam explained that our psychologist had advised us to cool it from them for 6 months and then Sam went on to say if after 6 months they wanted a relationship with us they would first have to have a relationship with himself and me before Jesse would even be re-introduced back into the picture. And then his Dad started to completely contradict himself by first saying that Samuel hadn't been cut out of the family, then saying that from now on he or MIL wouldn't be contacting us anymore, and then finished it off by saying that they'll always love him and they're always there if we ever needed them. So what on earth was he trying to get at? In the same sentence it sounded like we weren't cut out, but now he was cutting us out but they're still there for Sam. What the?? And always there if we needed them - what a load of bolony!! I don't know a time when we could be needing them more - hello we're teen parents, both battling depression and trying to buy our first house on a very limited income. When would we need their help more than now? But yet when we went to them for help: 1. I was not invited over and 2. Sam ended up being cut out of the family. Then to top things off I heard FIL drop his voice and start talking about me. I heard him say that it was my fault what went on between MIL and me and that I had caused all this but Sam denied that's what FIL had said and told me that he'd actually said he was instead putting me down because I had considered an abortion when I first found out I was pregnant and that they had wanted to keep my baby - who wasn't even born yet!!! So either way whatever FIL had said it was rude and uncalled for yet Sam said nothing to him!! And then before FIL left he said he was always there for Sam and that when he had nobody else to turn to and life was just getting him down they would be his only lifeline!! Um hello - what am I a piece of dirt??? I'm Sam's lifeline not them!! They've left Sam feeling alone and upset and who's been there for him - ME!! NOT THEM!!!!

So when FIL left I got upset and angry because I was sick of Sam never sticking up for himself or me. And I knew what FIL had said about me yet Sam kept denying it. I then went on to suggest that maybe we should break up as I couldn't handle the pressure from his parents anymore and that we could still be friends and I'd always be there for him but I couldn't keep living this way. And instead of sticking up for our relationship or anything like that he just fell asleep when I was talking to him!!! Grrrrrr . . So I spent all night until 4:30am talking to another Minti Mummy (hehe you know who you are) who made things a little bit clearer as I was dead set on leaving him. But now I'm just SO confused and don't know what to do anymore. I hate how him and his family always make me feel and since being with Sam I've never ever felt happy. My depression and suicidal thoughts just keep on getting worse and it's hard to tell whether he is a part of it or if it's just his family. And I know if we split up I would be devastated and never get over it but I would also feel this enormously huge weight lift off my shoulders. And I would know that in the future I would pick a suitable husband who knew how to stick up for himself and for ME!!! But I don't know what is the right thing to do - to stand by him or leave him? I just hate this and I hate this situation and it completely ruined my Christmas!!! Spoil any other day for me fine - but not Christmas. And it's like because FIL and MIL have pushed all their family away and have nobody on Christmas, it was a good enough reason to come over here and ruin ours too. I've thought of us leaving the state (this is how much they get me down) but I'd miss my family SO much. But that could be the answer - move over East!! I'm just so confused and don't think I can do this anymore . .

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samantha
January 2009 | samantha
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Because your partner, like yourself are still very young, you can't really expect him to stand up for him like you imagine. No doubt he is hurting and it's very hard for a son to stand up to his father in the way you expect. The fact that he is still with you, is standing up for you in itself. Don't let it get you down. Have you thought of going round to MIL and sitting down to have a chat to sort it out? or is that not an option. Maybe you should be the better person and opologise first even though you know you have done no wrong. It might be worth it, rather than going through this every so often. I know some people you just can't talk to, as I've experienced that with family members also. Sometimes you feel like your hitting your head against a brick wall just trying to have a conversation with them to sort it out. 

Good luck! I hope you's can work thing's out with FIL and MIL

p.s I know you don't want to, but it really might be worth going to mil and fil and sitting and talking it out. Because they are older and wiser you will need to show a little submisive, which i know from reading your blogs you will find very hard BUT! it will be worth it in my opinion. You don't need to be going through what you's are going through, just end it by makeing up with the olds and let them think that they have won as you really have nothing to loose but only gain.



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      inquisitive-creatures
January 2009 | inquisitive-creatures
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Hi Samantha!!

I probably am expecting too much of him for his age and you're right it's a good sign that he is still by my side. So that has to mean something. I guess I'm so used to being full of confidence that it's hard seeing someone be so defenceless. I have always made sure I'm heard and I'm very opinionated lol so I have no trouble standing up for myself or my family - I guess I just have to realise that maybe Sam isn't built of the same stuff I am!!

So you don't think I'm being completely horrible - yes I have been the better person countless times!!  We've sat down as one giant family about 4-5 times and sorted things out only for things to end up this way in less than 2 weeks. And I have tried talking to MIL by myself but she always gets FIL involved and he just starts ranting and raving while MIL sits there crying so it is very very hard to reason with them and you're right it's the brick wall situation. Plus I have apologised continuously even when I know I have done nothing wrong but I have never had an aplogy from them. In the end I just got sick of being the better person and being walked all over so I asked for an aplogy and that's how things ended up like this. I also suggested the mediator idea to my in-laws to which they refused and so I pretty much ran out of options. Even to this day (as it has been about 6 months since I spoke to MIL) I still miss MIL and think about going over to see her with a dvd or a box of chocolates so we can sit and catch up but I know that it will just end up like this within 2 weeks as it always has. We sort things out and then they start expecting more and more and more of us until we can't take it anymore and then we end up fighting. So it's a lose lose situation unfortunately.

And the funny thing is we actually have nothing to gain by sorting things out with them. They are the ones who are losing everything. When we're talking they put SO much pressure on Sam and I that we end up miserable and when they are not in the picture we just feel so much relief. It is them losing out on seeing their grandson which is the really sad thing in this situation. I just wish they could see that . .

Thank you for all your help and suggestions!! And for taking the time to read my blogs :o) It's been a great help!

Love Samantha xox



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Rukia
December 2008 | Rukia
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

heya. I know how u feel with the in laws. My MIL didnt speak to me this christmas at all. (but thats a whole different thing)

I have thought about moving over east as well. we actually last year to middle of this year had plans to move to tassie, was looking at jobs, rentals and schools that helped Autistic children. Moving my help u in the immeadeate future but not long term. Sadly long term is either mediation or getting Sam to get a backbone (I say this only from what I have had to do with my Mum) and finally say No to them and stand up for his family unit. It took me 7 years to do it with my mum. loads of counseling as well.

Men with depression are not good at making choices or desisions (nor are us chicks either) so having someone as mediaor is a good idea, even ur Mum if u are really close could help cause she will have the " I am a nanna" feel to her as well, she also could meet up with Sam's mum to see what her prob is with u. Personally I think her prob is that u have taken her ****kicker away (my mum did the same with my hubby) and made him have responsibilities and she cant handle it.

Good luck with it. Leaving may be the answer, but I doubt it. If u are anything like me, Sam is ur rock and U are his.



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      inquisitive-creatures
January 2009 | inquisitive-creatures
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Hi Rukia!!

You're right - moving is a great short term solution but definitely not the answer in the long term. We're still discussing the move but we're hoping we get to stay in WA as we both love it here!! And both of us have severe depression which is why we can't stand it when his parents dump more shit on us yet again. We're going through enough at the moment without having to put up with their bull****!! And the thing is they know this - yet they still keep doing what they're doing!! And you're spot on - I think MIL just got her nose out of joint as soon as she realised her "baby" was leaving her to be with me!! But my hubby isn't a baby anymore and she has to realise that - he has a son of his own and he needs to step up and be the man in this situation. And yes he is my rock :o)

Love Samantha xox



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Arna
December 2008 | Arna
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Your man needs to take some assertiveness classes.  they will boost his confidence and give him the tools to deal with his family properly.  It will make you feel good seeing it too! lol.

Hun, you are so young to be under such a weight.  If you feel moving is going to help you, then do it.  queensland's nice! lol.  Actually, house prices in our area are quite reasonable at the moment, and we are pretty central to a lot of places.

You and your family must come first.  If that means you have to ignore his family, then do it.  Remember, they have no legal rights to your son so don't feel you have to let them see him.  just do it, and make your own life.  moving away would solve the problem, but comes with other problems too, so you need to weigh up the pros and cons.

You for yourself, have to do what feels right in both your heart and your head.  Don't leave just because it is too hard, that's letting them win!  Arm yourself with the tools to deal with them.  Self defence classes are vey empowring and teach verbal tricks too.

You are in the care of a psychologist so use them and their contacts.  They will know of some courses that will help your whole family.

And hun, I too have had to deal with a man who was similar.  It took a lot of ear bashing to get him to realise that I am here for him and would do anything for him and that I'm stronger than he thinks for him to finally realize that I'm not part of the problem, i'm his solution.  Trouble is, my man is in his 50's, and I had 50 years worth of damage to fix, but I did it.  I couldn't walk away because I don't back down from a fight.  I keep an out open, but once the challenge is set, I fight with heart and soul because what I want and what he wants and our family is worth it!

You need to get your man into training and get him to realise that his actions hurt you just as much as his families.



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      inquisitive-creatures
January 2009 | inquisitive-creatures
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Lol some assertiveness classes sound really good actually hehe!! The psychologist we see has been great and we are going back there in less than 2 weeks so hopefully he will be able to shed some light on the new situation. We are still discussing moving - I actually used to live in QLD lol!! In Cairns actually and I spent the first 4 years of my life in Bega NSW so I have definitely been aorund Australia. My best friend lives over East so I know I would have her support but I would miss my family SO much!! Doing without them would be to me like doing without chocolate - absolutely impossible lol!! The only other option is when we have a house just not to let them know where we live so we don't ever have to see them again!! And we can finally get the privacy we deserve wtihout leaving the state!! I like that part how you said you don't back down from a fight!! I am going to take up that challenge and make sure that from now on hubby knows just how much I love him and support him and hopefully that will give him the strength he needs to stand up to his parents once and for all!!

Thanks Arna!!

Love Samantha xox



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iamschild
December 2008 | iamschild
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Oh Samantha. how Aweful!

You know, it hearing what you've been writing, a few things come to mind. First, is that i beleive you really love your husband, and want this to work, and that you really just want the pain to stop. And the mind games your out laws are playing only aggravates your mental health issues.

I had a boyfriend who was really passive, and wouldn't stand up for himself. I discovered that pushing these people to stand up for themselves doesn't work. I fell into that trap, and i just ended up being more miserable. I have since learned that what it really comes down to is that these people have been stepped on their whole lives. Some people react to this by fighting back, others decide there is no point, and stop all together. Given the things you have said, especially about the mind games they play on him, I'm guessing he simply reached a point where fighting back only made living in that house worse. It sounds like they do this kind of mind twisting alot, espectially whenever they feel challenged. Sam developed coping techniques when he lived in that environment. He may be rolling over and playing dead because then they stop attacking. Not that I endorse this approach, but hoping that considering it from this perspective may help you. History tends to repeat itself, and most people are creatures of habit. 

I find my self wondering if Sam almost perdicted what happened or at the very least was unsurprised by what happened. The painful thing here, is that you are having to learn the painful way lessons he expereinced way back when. The tricky thing is that Sam's way of coping with it seems not to be a healthy one. So, i'm wondering if it would help if you too talked more about his childhood, focusing on the games they played, and how he coped with them.

Here's a little thought- If he's open to it, ask him to pick one scenario from his childhood. One where the mind games were perticularly painful perphaps, but one where he has clear memory of all the details. Once he shares the story, then you start looking at the thinking behind the choices made. Make a list of all the possible choices he had, focusing on the ones he didn't think he had. ( Most people feel hopeless or like they have no choice because they automaticly rule out things that actually should be considered more closely). Go through with him the options he knew he had, and ask for why he didn't think they'd work. When he says "Because they would  do" ask him how he knew. there will likely be another story, and then you help him examine if they would necessarily have responded the same way, etc. Is the story reasonable evidence that they would respond badly to the approach he was considering, or was it just an excuse, or simply fear?

I'm wondering if hearing his thinking behind his actions would help you to understand. People change, but it is reasonable to wait to see evidence of a change before you base your actions on it. Also, History repeats itself, because people tend not to learn from History. there were three times in history that Russia was invaded, in the late summer/fall. The guy in charge should have realised that they were going to be dealing with Russian winter. And by the time the third guy did it, he should have known that they use a burnt earth policy ( torch their own land and retreat) and let winter kill their invaders off. I wonder at that third guy who made that decision- if he'd known history he was either pride filled or stup*d. anyways, back to my point. i'm hoping you can learn from your husband's expereince and the history he has with his family so that you don't have to repeat it in painful ways.

I want to encourage you that he is handling it the way he is because it is a way that worked, at least at one time. Now sometimes coping mechanisms backfire, and this appears to be happening. Yet, he is doing the best he knows how to in the moment. So, support him. Don't try to push him to stand up for himself; he could just go belly up under your presure. He has learned that being quiet and showing his belly is a way that at least at times stops the attack. I'm guessing he was attacked when he was defense less (not surprising since he was a kid in this house, and although something may have made it worse, i'm guessing these mind games have gone on since his parents got together if not before. ) this is an old, old pattern your dealing with. Since he was defenseless from the earliest attacks, any attempt he made to strong action would have been squashed out of him. He likely feels he has no choice, and that there is no point to him standing up because the legs are always knocked out of him when he tries. That's when you help him build himself up to understanding that he's not a defenseless child any more, and you help him to have the confidence that it's okay to stand up for himself, and to give him the confidence that his legs will no longer be knocked out from under him.

One of the difficult things about being in one's late teens early twenties is realising what it really means to be an adult. And I know that most young people beleive they already know. And I'm sure the two of you know most of it. But I'm not so sure that he knows that now that he's an adult, he's not a child anymore. It sounds like he goes back to a child role around his parents, and learning to be in an adult role when people actively push you back into a child role is very very difficult. These are things he will need to learn, and you can support him in this.

Anyways, I hope this has helped you. I feel like I've maybe drifted off mark, but I hope I've said something that may help. All the best to you in dealing with this, and I pray for a peaceful week ahead for you.

I Am's child.



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      inquisitive-creatures
January 2009 | inquisitive-creatures
Re: Ok so the story goes . . .

Hi I Am's Child!! Actually everything you said was spot on!! I do really love my husband and want things to work - it's just the pain from the out-laws (LOL) that I want to stop. Everything you said about his childhood is right on the mark as I already knew that he never had the confidence to stand up for himself because they constantly treated him like dirt as a child. And his father is a mean and powerful man who towers over Sam and although he doesn't scare me in the slightest - he does definitely put a fear in Sam!! I do want to encourage him to be more confident and for him to know I support him - it's just that in the heat of the moment I always wish he could stand up for himself. But it's true that he needs to learn how to do that first. I don't see no wrong in pushing him a little to stand up for us otherwise he'd still be siding with mummy and daddy and we'd be over by now. But now that he realises what they are like and is learning to be more confident I will lay off him some more. And thank you for all that you said - it really has helped me. I do appreciate it and you didn't drift off the mark at all - it couldn't have been more perfect if you tried!! So thank you!!

Love Samantha xox

 



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