We thought that we had our bedtime worries of the boys playing after lights out solved when we put them in separate rooms. But it didn't stop the problems, it just gave us a new set of problems. My oldest, Josh, now gets out of bed to ask for a million & one things. & Jeremy, my youngest likes to go into Josh's room & play. Now, I had done all the parenting courses, programs, spoken with other young families for DHS in footscray; mother baby live in programs, read all the books as well as child psychology. (Which I have just started doing again online as a refresher.) I wanted to learn all I possibly could about children in order to be the best parent that I can be. But the one thing that I never took into account was that what the books & experts say may not always work for a particular child.  So where did that leave me? Well it left me asking other PARENTS for advice. So I found someone that I thought would know as I had tried everything in the book & none of it could solve such a simple but frustrating problem. & what did I get? A simple but effective solution. A piece of paper with a clock printed on it to go on the fridge. Each time one of the boys got out of bed, I moved their magnet forward by 10 minutes, (Each of my boys has their own magnet.) & what is on the clock when they get up the next day is time that they owe me & I can use it for whatever I like! ie: cutting short computer time, activities, tv, but what gets my boys is bedtime. They HATE going to bed early!! So I sent them to bed minus the 20 mins that they owed me. & you will never guess what, I had far less  bedtime troubles tonight. We still had a little bit but I know from all the parenting programs & courses that it will take about two weeks for any new thing to work its magic as thats how long it takes for a child to fully ajust to any new routine or program in their lives. But I am truly amazed at just how much this has worked in 24 short hours. I also learned that no book or program or course can compare to the wisdom of another Parent that has been through it themselves. Take care of yourselves, Sherrie81.