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Why do we smack?

josierm by josierm Standing(November 24th) (rank 500+)

Re: To smack or not to smack?
Asked by inquisitive-creatures

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Hi all, I was just wondering how others dicipline their children. My son (who is 21 months old) plays up whenever I am trying to change his nappy after he's pooed.

I change him on a change mat on a single bed and it has gotten to the point where he crawls away from me and gets poo everywhere. He puts his hand in it, feet in it, etc. Today he wouldn't lay still to let me change him so I smacked him lightly 3 times (this just resulted in him laughing at me). I then lost my temper when he wouldn't stop trying to get away from me and so I smacked him really hard on the thigh leaving a massive red hand-mark and made him cry. I feel absolutely horrible now but my Mum says he needs to learn and that you are protecting his health because you don't want him being covered in his own poo. I know other Mum's who smack and both my hubby and I were smacked growing up and had no problem with it but I didn't want to do it with my son. Whenever he gets up to mischief I usually tell him off but don't smack him and I know of the naughty chair but what do I do when I'm trying to change him? Please help? Am I a bad mum?



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Why do we smack?

 

As a mandated notifier of child abuse (i.e.- if I am caring for a child whom I suspect is being abused, I legally have to report it) and a mother of 3 young children, I know both the professional and parent side of this issue.  Everyone has their own idea of what is right, and what is wrong, and with so many opinions coming your way, it is hard to know which way to go.

 

As a parent of young children, I know that it can be difficult to maintain a calmness that promotes positive discipline.  Everyone has their limits, and young children certainly know how to make you reach those limits.  We all try to be the best parents that we can but it seems that children are sent to us to test our weaknesses.

 

Before you smack your child, ask yourself these questions, it may make you think twice about laying a hand on your child in anger or frustration.

 

~firstly – If you smack your child, will it be relieving you anger and frustration or do you truly believe that it will benefit your child?

 

~predict how you may feel after smacking your child- do you think you might regret it once the child has a throbbing red leg and crying?

 

~think about how your child may then view you- Do you want him to be fearful, scared, withdrawn  (because this is how children react when being hit.  You may think it’s because they are now quietly behaving themselves) OR respectful of your authority?

 

~Imagine you are in public, or your house is full of cameras where everyone can scrutinize your every move- would you still behave the same way knowing that someone was watching?

 

~are you just repeating the behaviours that your parents used?

 

If you feel that your child is so out of control that they need a smack, you may need to look within yourself to see how you react when you feel out of control.  If you can learn to model calmness in the face of chaos, your child will eventually learn the same. 

 

Parents often smack because they are angry, frustrated and feel powerless.

 

Keep in mind that young children will reach their ‘out of control’ stage much earlier than adults.  Prevention is better than cure.  Avoid getting children worked up/or needing to focus when they are tired/hungry/overexcited.  Young children cannot rationalize or reason, there is no point in trying to explain behaviours at length, as they will not understand.  Certainly give the young child a short explanation, but keep it simple, “you need to lie still while I am changing your nappy”.

 

Take a step back from the situation.  Take a few breaths and try to observe the situation as an outsider.

 

Learn some calming techniques like slow breathing, visualization, etc.

 

Repeat the mantra “I am in control”, “I command respect”, “I have authority”.  Convince yourself and you will start to act that way.  Be confident in yourself and your ability as a parent.

 

I find that singing to myself, and blocking out the chaos is a good way to stay calm (“I will survive” by Gloria Gaynor is a good one).

 

Remove uneccessary noise and stressors (does that TV really need to be blaring, do you really need to have that conversation with your husband right now? Etc).

 

The naughty corner works for my 3 year old son.  Confiscating toys or removing privileges works for his twin sister.  Find what technique works for you.

 

If the smack is premeditated,  repeated, or you have to walk away from the situation to get a smacking implement (like a wooden spoon), then my concerns would be toward child abuse.

 

If the smack is to relieve your own frustration, I would try to develop some techniques other then taking it out on your child- he is still learning, its not his fault.

 

Don’t be afraid to ask for help. Parenting a child and discipline are the hardest jobs in the world.  We all hope that we can produce healthy, well adjusted and socially adaptable children.

Good for you for asking this very hard question.

All the best.

 

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llmunchkin
November 29th | llmunchkin
Re: Why do we smack?

You know, the question of whether to discipline by physical means - slapping, smacking, spanking etc has been raised a few times lately.  I am not judging anybody who chooses to use these means of discipline, however these are some questions that have been going round and round in my head for quite some time.

1.   At what age do people decide it is ok to do this to their infant/child?
2.   At what age would they cease doing this to their child/teenager?
3.   How would they feel if somebody else disciplined their child in this manner?
4.   Do they consider that if they did the same to their spouse - that it would be domestic violence?
5.   What if they did it to someone outside the family - then it would be assault?
6.   Have they tried alternative forms of discipline consistently for a reasonable length of time?
7.   Don't they worry that their children will fear them - not respect them?
8.   When does spanking change from strict discipline to abuse?
9.   How successful is this form of punishment - does the child learn a lesson from what they did wrong - or do  they only remember the punishment?
10. What gives us the right to inflict pain on our offspring, when it would be illegal to do it to anyone else?
11. Why would we want to inflict pain on our own children, when we have so many alternatives available?
12. What kind of example is being provided to them, by using corporal punishment - what have they learned?

These are the simple questions - I have more complex ones, however these are things I just couldn't comprehend...



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      josierm
November 29th | josierm
Re: Why do we smack?

these were my thoughts too. also what comes to mind is:

~do you reprimand siblings for reacting this way with each other (i know my kids try to tell each other off all the time, and if they start smacking each other, they get told off)

~would you let someone else smack or hit your child (with a hand or any object), or are you the only person allowed to do that?



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griz
November 25th | griz
Re: Why do we smack?

I think that this is excellent advice to not use smacking as an outlet. I guess when I was a kid smacking was considered the normal way to teach a child the right way to behave. Nowadays we are starting to be taught that positive reinformcment is the right way to do it.

I just think all parents do what they think is best for their child and situation. As long as they operate within the parameters of the law.

Who are any of us to say what effects, if any, it will have on our kids future.I do beleive though if we have open communication with oiur children and discusss things and decisions they will be forgiving and understanding if we do make a mistake, just as we forgive and understand (hopefully) when they make a misake.

I guess the big issue here is not doing it out of built up anger and frustration.



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      griz
November 25th | griz
Re: Why do we smack?

Just adding to that comment, If we use harsh timeouts or groundings, deprivations out of anger and frustration surely this can be just as damaging as smacking.



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inquisitive-creatures
November 25th | inquisitive-creatures
Re: Why do we smack?

Ok I am going to say everything all at once:

1. I think everyone is being WAY too hard on Jedd's Mum. Jedd is her child and she is the parent and if spanking is legal where she lives then so be it. Who cares if she uses a wooden spoon? She is obviously a very intelligent, well-educated and experienced woman who has made the best decision for herself and her son in her situation. And from personal experience getting hit with a hand always hurts more than a spoon anyway.

2. This advice was written for my specific situation and mine only so I don't think josierm was personally attacking anyone she was trying to help me not use smacking as an outlet and I think it is fantastic advice for my specific situation. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything she has said to some of the other Mummy's though but in my situatuon - SPOT ON! It helped heaps!

3. I think the one person who has a real clear head here is Domestic-warrior. She is SPOT-ON! This is a parenting site where we come to get some help from other Mintiers and we shouldn't be abused. Being abused will most likely stop us as mums from asking for help and in turn make us more isolated and confused which may leave us to smack more often. I asked this question for help. I suffer from major depression, anxiety, OCD and am extremely stressed about an operation I have coming up on Friday which may have been what led me to smack my child unfairly (although now I believe that  it was the right thing to do given what was happening at the time). If I hadn't been able to come on here and ask for help I would have felt utterly miserable as I don't see any other mums or adults EVER!! My fellow mintiers are all I have and I should feel safe coming here to ask a question. Yes some people may not believe with smacking but please don't accuse the smacker of being an abuser! That isn't fair!

4. And to Rhadika that thing about what your son did was funny! I can just imagine my little boy doing something like that and if I'd warned him 4 or 5 times as well I most certainly would have whopped him one haha!! How else are they going to learn?

5. And again to Domestic-warrior I remember when my Mum got the ruler at school. She wrote a little book about a mud-man or something for her assignment and she was so proud of her work that she took it up to the teacher smiling and he belted her over the hand many times with the ruler because he didn't see what was so funny. My little heart went out to my poor Mummy and how she would have felt back then. I'm glad that spanking is no longer allowed in schools but I do think we should still have the choice about whether or not we spank in our own homes.

Anyway that's just my two-bob!

Samantha xox



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      josierm
November 25th | josierm
Re: Why do we smack?

thankyou samantha.  I have just posted an apology to jedds mum on your question area.  I admit i have strong feelings against the wooden spoon (especially on a baby of just 12 months old) and my comments were emotionally fuelled. i realise that laws are different from country to country, state to state (but if no-one questioned the law, we would still be burning witches in our town squares).  I must say this whole topic has been extremely stressful, and i feel i must now focus my energies on my own family.  I hope all goes well for you samantha.  i wish you nothing but the best.  you obvioulsy have some struggles in your life that you are overcoming, and i dearly hope i haven't made things worse for you.

xx josie



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           inquisitive-creatures
November 26th | inquisitive-creatures
Re: Why do we smack?

Hi Josie!

I noticed the apology to Jedd's mum. Even though I may agree with you in thinking that using a wooden spoon on a 12 month old may be harsh, her son may be a lot different to mine. Mine was an angel at 1 and then started to turn into a little terror lol! Haha and I agree this has been a stressful topic but also a very enlightening one and do not worry you have not made anything worse for me. The point I was trying to make is that some other Mum's who join Minti might be similar to me and if they feel abused on here this may have been their only outlet and then they feel like they're left with nobody. If there are "potential" child abusers out there we need to encourage positive behaviour in them rather than criticise their negative behaviour. I'm pretty tough so I haven't taken anything said on here the wrong way but others might. I may message you privately on another matter as you said you deal with child abuse and I just have a few questions. But I'll let you focus on your family for a bit and I have to focus on getting through this operation lol!

Samantha xox



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Domestic-warrior
November 25th | Domestic-warrior
Re: Why do we smack?

I don't know if smacking is right or wrong or if it can ever be done without anger and frustration, because if it is done in a calm thought out manner it is then premeditated....the quandary....i do know that it never feels right after it is done and there is a fine line between a tap and a smack.  Taps don't hurt, so what is the point?  The point is for a quick sharp shock and the child stops, so therefore maybe other tactics are the way to go.

I really think it is what you have to work with too as to whether people smack or not.  It's not that they spill milk once or mark the windows but the accumulation of events that can cause frustration, some children are very constant in their endeavours to destroy your house and get into mischeif, and depending on your views on tidying depends how a parent will react.

What i'm trying to get at is, it can all depend on the parents and the children.  There are so many factors that come into play, temperament of the child, temperament of the adult, emotional well being of the parents and other stresses in life.  Having said that wouldn't it be great if we could all support one another knowing that every body's situation is different.  Lets try to offer kind words to one another and if someone does smack, not accuse them of child abuse, but say hey, tomorrow is a new day and remind each other of the alternatives that are out there.



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      Domestic-warrior
November 25th | Domestic-warrior
Re: Why do we smack?

I also wanted to say, times have changed too.  I remember at school when i was about 10 we had a teacher who didn't smack, and she was considered radical.   Teachers use to use a ruler on the back of your leg back then.



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Rhadika
November 25th | Rhadika
Re: Why do we smack?

My 2.5y/o son is very very hands on and when he is not recieving direct one on one attention I can almost guarantee he is up to something he shouldn't be. Removing of toys is ineffective as he knows he has other toys he can play with and I am talking of removing for a decent period of time, come to think he still has toys hidden away at the moment. Time out works to a degree but he will still return to the mishaving 20 minutes later. He will even tell us he has been naughty so he knows he is being punished for something that he has done that we find inappropriate. We have found a small smack on the hand or bum can sometimes be effective but the discipline method depends on what it is that he is doing wrong. I have never smacked my boy with an implement but I have left a handprint on his bottom which was naked and wet and that was for pushing my little friends girl over out of a wading pool for the 4-5th time and we had used time outs to try and deter him fro this behaviour.  Since the get go he has always been a handful and yes I blame myself and my partner for part of the problem that we have, but I don't think we are wholey responsible because we have done the best we can and that is all we can ask of ourselves.

In saying all of that, I always said I would not like to smack my children but my son has gone above and beyond of pushing my boundries and some days I just walk away and leave it and then deal with it later because I know I will loose control if I try to deal with it at the exact moment. We are about to go through the process of having our boy assessed for behavioural issues as we feel that some of his behaviours are not that standard to a 2.5y/o.

Thankyou for sharing your advice.

Dika. xx.



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Rukia
November 25th | Rukia
Re: Why do we smack?

i have 2 children and time out does not work. I have tried it many times and it does not work for my kids. I have seen it work with my friends kids, so i know it can work.

My son has autism and doent understand emotions very well. with my we take away priviledges and we have to hold his face (not rough) and speak to him about what he has done wrong. I dont think we have had to smack him this year at all. I know I have had to remove him from things to stop him getting hurt.

My daughter on the oher hand is going through a  massive 15 year old at 4. I have had to smack her a few times. time ot does not work for her at all, nor does removing her from things or removing toys. BUT in saying this she is rarely naughty. most of the time all I have to do is raise my or hubby voice and she will stop. its when she s sneaky and hides to do the wrong thing we will smack her. IE.... cutting her hair, drawing on walls and dolls.  hitting her brother etc.

I was abused in the fact of i used to get a beating from my mum and I believe that there is a time and a place for smacking. in public that is not the time nor place. Also knowing the las of your country is a help as I know NZ has a no smacking, where aust has a yu can smack but not leave a large mark, ie one that is there hours later. (i know ths cause my BIL is a police officer)

I think each parent should have the right to disapline their child as they see it. what works for you might not work for me.



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mom2jedd
November 25th | mom2jedd
Re: Why do we smack?

Again, I do not think it is fair to use MY example of the wooden spoon in such a manner. I will reitterate my position that IN my state, it is leagl for me to do what I have done. I would appriciate it if others wouild remember that each coutry/state is differnt.

Saying that one is out of control when they "resort" to spanking is NOT true at all. As a matte of fact it woudl not be farther from the truth in my case. I understand that others may take "hitting" way to far and it is legally abuse, but if spanking is done in the proper manner it is FAR from abuse.

Just my 2 cents.



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      llmunchkin
November 25th | llmunchkin
Re: Why do we smack?

Mate my comment wasn't related to you, it is related to our parenting in our home... For me to spank it would be a loss of control of my emotions etc.  We are entirely different people and you have had a whole lot more to contend with than I could ever imagine.  Don't feel that anyone is picking on you, we are all just sharing our opinions and yours is as valid as anyone elses.



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      Rukia
November 25th | Rukia
Re: Why do we smack?

totally agree with you here. spanking if done right is not abuse.

Also there has been a few times while cooking I have had to use the woodernsppon on my kids, but in safety. they were about to pull a pot off the oven or touch the oven. was out of reach and had the woodern spoon in hand. slight tap to stop them.

I had the woodern sppon as a child and my nan broke quiet a few smacking me. Same with my hubby.



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      josierm
November 25th | josierm
Re: Why do we smack?

It is understandable why you have become defensive.  I have made comments that threaten and challenge your ideals and values.  I just find it upsetting that someone can knowingly hurt their child with what is, essentially, a weapon (i know its a wooden spoon, but if it is used to hurt, then it is a weapon).  I know you love your child, just as we all love our own.  My focus of this article was about smacking out of frustration, and not child abuse.  There is a fine line between what is considered acceptable discipline and what is abusive, and until laws are created that stipulate the boundaries of acceptable and not, parents will continue to do what they feel works.  I have cared for some VERY challenging children i.e. severly autisitc, developmental delay, poorly disciplined children with chronic illness (some teenagers so bad, the staff had to call police during a hospital admission).  If I used physical means to control these children, i would be sacked immediately; hence this is where we have to find other, less violent methods.  I wish you luck, and hope that your beautiful Jedd grows to be a non violent, well adjusted, emotionally mature adult.



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llmunchkin
November 25th | llmunchkin
Re: Why do we smack?

I don't know why people smack, however I know why we don't... It is loss of control (that whole last resort thing), it is violent (it always starts somewhere), it negates discussion and negotiation toward better behaviour, (very important social skills). 

Personally, if someone where to smack me, I'd have them on the ground wishing they didn't know me pretty quickly.  As adults it is illegal for us to smack each other about, (though it is very tempting sometimes LOL), so what gives us the right to smack children?  They're humans too aren't they? 

In my view, if you can't use your intelligence to create better behaviour in babies, toddlers and children, you are in for one heck of a nightmare with your teenager.



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      Ravenheart
November 25th | Ravenheart
Re: Why do we smack?

Lui,

what techniques do you use to stay calm... i need help in that area?

xoxo



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           llmunchkin
November 25th | llmunchkin
Re: Why do we smack?

I make sure I have a life outside the home.  I went kickboxing last night, that helps!  Tonight I will be going to grappling and rolling round on the floor with strange blokes ; )

Just put it in perspective, it's a moment in time when they are annoying you, (sometimes many).  If it is fun for them to get up to mishief, flag the norm and get up to mischief with them!  Is spilt milk worth getting angry about?  Is food all over the floor really such a big deal?  Can you still see out the window through all those yogurt hand prints?  Is the world going to come to an end because your child just broke your favourite cup?

Tell a stupid joke and laugh your head off; they laugh too, even though they have no idea what is going on.  Ever felt like flinging some crappy nappy out the door or window?  Just do it!  You can pick it up a few minutes later when everything is calm.  (Preferably into your own yard, luckily for us we have a couple of acres LOL).



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                Domestic-warrior
November 25th | Domestic-warrior
Re: Why do we smack?

Hey!  These were my philosophies too.....until i had three.....



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                     llmunchkin
November 29th | llmunchkin
Re: Why do we smack?

Yeah, I have learned from you, I'm not going to be making any more micro me's! xox



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                josierm
November 25th | josierm
Re: Why do we smack?

great points.  exactly my parenting motto.  Is it really going to be the end of the world if your child has made a bit of a mess.  I like to keep things in perspective, and think about what is important in life before i get angry.  Thats not to say my children are not disciplined.  i believe in routine, boundaries and limits but i also know that accidents happen. (i just think about the dying children i have cared for, and remind myself of how lucky i am, even though they might be a bit naughty sometimes).

thanks for your comments.



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                     llmunchkin
November 25th | llmunchkin
Re: Why do we smack?

Exactly, people get upset and angry about the simplest things, it seems so silly when you look at the big picture.  When all else fails, I either get him to ring Daddy so Daddy can give him a little chatting too, (when we lived in Sydney he'd ring Nanna and get a story or something). 

Now I mix up some bubbles and send him outside to blow away we both find the bubbles very relaxing.  Before he could blow bubbles, I used to blow them for him, you can get awesome bubble machines now and for all you chocolate lovers, the chocolate smellling bubbles rock!



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nabutters
November 25th | nabutters
Re: Why do we smack?

this is great advice, i have trouble with my little one while changing and i give her a wipe and ask her to wipe certain parts of her body, example, wipe your nose, wipe your mouth wipe your arms and so on. This work quite well, but i do get frustrated when she kicks me while dressing, staying cool is hard but its the best thing to do...

naomi x



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