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Suspected child abuse? -- Speaking up!!

bruciegee by bruciegee Standing(January 2009) (rank 500+)

I'm lovin' Minti ... the honest and open sharing, the stories: whether of funny family incidents, challenges overcome, through to earth-shatteringly devastating real-life dramas -- all the stuff that makes up life! (I'd love to see more dads represented, but that's another issue for another day!!)

In the short

time I've been part of the Minti community, I've seen a number of questions in regards to concerns for a child welfare in our own family, with friends or neighbours children... people asking "should I or shouldn't I?" alert authorities, speak to the parents, do something... or just let it go?

Life has it's ups and downs and stuff happens, to all of us!

I know that I've had a couple of embarassing moments as a parent... like the time when my 3 year-old N went to kindy (they start 'em young in HK) with a black eye, and explained calmly to the teacher that "Daddy kicked me"!!

Thinking about it now, I probably should have volunteered the story myself earlier -- at the time it didn't even cross my mind! When I collected her from the school that afternoon, the teacher approached me and asked me directly, "What happened here?". I explained how the accident had occured, that I had been carrying her little sister in a baby pouch in front of me (which made seeing the ground directly in front of me a bit of challenge), while she stood at my side as I was talking to a neighbour. As we said goodbye and I turned to walk away, she had left my side and darted across directly in front of me, and I hadn't noticed... my knee came up and collided with her little face! I had to calm her down and apologise for my clumsiness of course... and the eye came up in beautiful dark shades of blue/purple/indigo/violet later that afternoon!

I have to admit I was acutely embarassed for a moment, and a little shocked, that the teacher had to approach me (it was a church-run kindy, and I was a pastor at another local church... and they should just KNOW I would never deliberately kick my child in the head!)... and after explaining I went away wondering how many other parents and friends had seen the damage and wondered all kinds of stuff -- but once I got over myself, and thought about it a little, I was SO thankful that she had taken the initiative to ask, and not just assume that everything was OK; so I went back and told her that the next day... and encouraged her to ALWAYS do or say something if there was any doubt!

A while back we were asked to visit a grandmother who lives near us, who was struggling to cope with 4 of her grandchildren moving in with her suddenly. She was in this situation because the children had been removed from their parents after their two younger siblings had died, in the family home, from neglect. My wife stayed to have a chat with grandma, while I and my own kids brought the kids home to play for a while, just to give grandma a little breathing space. Meeting these 4 kids personally brought home the awful reality of the story that I'd already seen on the news... but also made me ask myself... what about the neigbours? what about the teachers of the older siblings at their schools? What about this grandma? friends of the family? Didn't any of these people see that something was seriously remiss in the family? If someone had spoken up, maybe two young lives would not have been snuffed out, ... and a family may have gotten help in time to stop a lifetime of emotional and social consequences for every family member!?

Yes, these kids were probably used to a level of dysfunction that most of us might not be able to get our heads around... BUT, at the same time, what stood out to me was that they were not THAT much different from a number of kids that I know at school... which makes you think!

I now think that I would much rather that neighbours and friends and teachers confronted me or reported me (or any other 'good' parent I know) to government authorities or the police or to the school if they had any concerns for my children's welfare... rather than risk the long-term damage to any child's physical, emotional, sexual health... or worse! -- that can take place where we second guess. And, at least in Australia, I know that the police and government agencies are there to INVESTIGATE these claims, and then to provide a whole range of different types of support/intervention strategies where needed -- with the goal of keeping families together wherever possible, helping parents learn coping skills, getting counselling for children and adults...  If you do report, you are not 'breaking up a family', you are possibly giving them access to tools and support that can keep them safely together!

So, in short... if in doubt, share those doubts or concerns with somebody! Say something!! Talk to a parent/grand-parent/school principal/police info line/Dept of Child Safety... 

I know I'd find it hard to live with myself if a child was killed, seriously injured, or seriously emotionally maimed, in a situation that I had doubts about but had not reported!

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seotops
August 16th | seotops
Re: Suspected child abuse? -- Speaking up!!

I at all do not know what to advise to you. I Think you should make itself the correct decision.
You should think and do how your soul wants it... I Think this correct decision....



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lillicoi
July 21st | lillicoi
Re: Suspected child abuse? -- Speaking up!!

 Fantastic post....As a survivor of childhood abuse children are often to scared to talk for fear of not being believed. My thoughts are if you suspect a child of being abused and don't say anything then you are just as bad as the abuser.If somebody suspected my child of being abused i would be thanking the person for reporting the suspician and looking out for my child.



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      bruciegee
August 19th | bruciegee
Re: Suspected child abuse? -- Speaking up!!

You're absolutely right, lillicoi... and thanks for reading, and for adding your encouragement to others not to hesitate to do something when they have suspicions of abuse!



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lainy
June 9th | lainy
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I agree with everything you said my son was the victim of sexual abuse and was at first to scared to speak up but he did in the end and we were able to do something about it, we might not have got the result we wanted but we are so proud of him for having the courage to say what he said especially when it came to going to court it cost me my friendship with my best mate but I wouldn't have it any other way. you can replace your friends but not your children.



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      bruciegee
August 19th | bruciegee
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Congratulations to both you and your son for showing that kind of courage, lainy! You're a great example to him... and to us. Well done!



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Lillians-Mother233
May 11th | Lillians-Mother233
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it is embaressing when people think yoou are abusing your child..all kids have accidents..



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      bruciegee
May 12th | bruciegee
Re: Suspected child abuse? -- Speaking up!!

Yeah, it is embarassing... but I'd rather risk being embarassed (or embarassing some innocent, good parents) than for everyone to play like the 3 monkeys, and let a child continue to be harmed and scarred for life (or worse!). And, in actual fact where there IS a problem, the parent also 'benefits' from the exposure of it, as it is an opportunity for them to get help, and support to make changes that they often are incapable of making on their own.

Having said that, I think there are usually some sensitive and respectful ways of bringing it up/confronting/reporting, that can lessen the embarassment or shame on the parent.



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vivian-porter
April 2009 | vivian-porter
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I couldnt agree more, great post!


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      bruciegee
May 12th | bruciegee
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Thanks!



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cookla
March 2009 | cookla
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hi just a note to say i agree with this no matter what the consequences. i am now an outcast in my family because i spoke up about one of the members of it but i would do it again, i would rather have doubts about what i have done than to have a child ruined for life because i didnt want people to think i was causing trouble.



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      iamschild
March 2009 | iamschild
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Thank You!!!!

We need more people like you. It's your strength that will keep those babies safe and make sure that there isn't another damaged generation.



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      bruciegee
April 2009 | bruciegee
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Yes! ... Thank you for your courage!



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artman1972
March 2009 | artman1972
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very good story and very informative great work



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      bruciegee
May 12th | bruciegee
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Thanks!



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islandflower48
February 2009 | islandflower48
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it is very difficult too report too the local authorities unless you use the correct word.i have repeatedly rung the o800 help line to report the abuse and neglect of my grandson (7) and they continually put me through to a social worker who is not the lest bit interested in what i have too say.I GET TOLD TOO GO THROUGH THE CORRECT CHANEL WHICH IS RING THE 0800 HELP LINE only to go through the same process all over again.i was very lucky a very nice social worker explained the ''NEW PROCEDURE''.all it is one word that you must use or nothing will happen in regards to any complaining one might have.the word being ''NOTIFICATION''.if you do not say that word then nothing will happen with your complaint.how ridiculous is that when no phamlets have been put out too the effect of any changes in words to be used. that really show's how disfunctional the department of C.F.Y.P.S. is .yet when a child is 'MURDERED' in their care  it is swept under the carpet.maybe my little grandson will become another statistic then i will yet again bury another grandchild .i had a great neice murdered by ''mum's new boyfriend'' and that could have been prevented. we really need to stand up too this dysfunctional system, there are too many foreigners in the office who know absolutely nothing about child BEARING OR REARING.i speak from experience about that. i am more than happy too get toghter too help keep our babies safe from the clenches of the dysfunctional dept of c.y.p.f.s. especially the LOWER HUTT office.



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      bruciegee
May 12th | bruciegee
Re: Suspected child abuse? -- Speaking up!!

I can't imagine how frustrating and heart-breaking it must be to speak up and be ignored, and see the awful consequences.

Don't give in or give up!



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KELMR
February 2009 | KELMR
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I too wish people would speak up as I personally have often sat at home waiting for a knock on the door from the authorities that never came! My child has a servere complex pschyriatric disorder that involes physical restraint [and threating abuse aimed at me]. These outbursts scare me she has knocked me out and given me stitches! Yet neighbours and bystanders who dont know us just let it ride After the events I got angry and now I am even more worried that society 'dosen't' care as I wonder what if she does something one day that harms me badly and I cant seek help??? I get upset by the way I have to handle these outbursts but I dont have an option and I wonder why people don't want to speak up. I wouldn't have got 'mad' that I had been reported I would have been glad cause then both of us might've got the support and help we need.



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      bruciegee
May 12th | bruciegee
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Thank you so much for giving your perspective KELMR... and I can't agree with you more, we need to "care" about what's happening with our friends and neighbours -- we make every household it's own island to our peril!



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iamschild
February 2009 | iamschild
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As many of you know, I am a social worker.

I was just at a training where we were learning about child development. We spent 1/6 of our time dealing with the topic of hyperactive kids. the Child Psychologist doing the training is an expert on child development and the effects of child abuse on development. She is also knowledgable on hyperactivity.

It was explained like this- ADHD is a neuro-biological condition. It means that the brain does not produce enough neurotransmitters, and so the medication is given to increase the brains production of neurotransmitters. about 3-5% of children have this condition, at most. Yet, over 50% of children in care have the same symptoms. So, What's up, we asked. She explained that it is not that most kids with ADHD end up in care. It is that There are two other conditions we see alot of that have the same symptoms of hyper behaviour, that are not the neurobiological condition of ADHD. They are FASD, which is a form of brain damage that can cause hyperactivity (which is NOT adhd), and child abuse and neglect. When a child experiences abuse and neglect, hyperactivity is a common symptorm. And for both of these two groups, which make up almost all children in care, the medication for ADHD does not work.

So, we are learning more... all new workers have to attend this training when i start. And they are sending old folks like me back to it again. As a result of this training, at least here in my neck of the woods, how we do our work is changing. We are responcibible to ensure that the right process is followed to get a diagnosis, and are part of the system which makes sure that the right diagnosis is received. So, we learn, we grow and change from our mistakes, and we do better next time. And we sincerely appologise for the consequences of our mistakes.

I Am's child.

 



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      bruciegee
February 2009 | bruciegee
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Thank you for passing on that vital information, I Am's child!

To think that we might be trying to medicate kids where it is totally uncalled for (and possibly masking abuse issues that need to be dealt with!?)! Hope this research gets out widely, quickly!



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TwoDogs
February 2009 | TwoDogs
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Excellent advice!  These children are our future. We need to look after them and teach them well.



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      bruciegee
May 12th | bruciegee
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You said it!



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islandflower48
February 2009 | islandflower48
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there are a lot of kids who are so hypo because of their diets, yet the medical and social work people call it A D H D or something crazy just to fill kids with drugs.from experience my late son was suppossedly diagnosed withh adhd.i never gave him the prscribed drugs for very long as they were making him like a zombie.i gave it 2 weeks to get the drugs out of his system then i changed his food intake and watched him very carefully.without the drugs he became a more loving child wanting cuddles and kisses.he was very gentle towards his brothers and only sister.i was told by cypfs to put him back on the drugs.over my dead body would i be dictated too by that office.my son was 6 at the time and was very aggressive at school and a bully to other kids.he was a great deal taller than the others in his class and he had a very large bone structure.because of previous behaviour cypfs became invovled through the schools concerns, that was okay but to be told what to do with medication that they know nothing about is beyond their barrier.even our own family doctor agreed with me that a lot of food that children eat are like drugs in their system.between my doctor and myself  my son turned out to be a real gentle giant.  he was murderd 20year ago by white suppremist groups in the south island.so please if your child shows untoward signs of behaviour try the diet change before the medical teams.the worst i found was nutella spread,orange fizz or fanta,twisties and cheezle snacks.i sort help with the philipino shops as a lot of their foods do not have the gross salt contents and most of there biscuits and packaged cake are not very sweet.milo and hot choclate is the worst.well i hope to have been able to help some one's child.my 4year old next door neighbour is a very different boy thanks to his diet change.his mum is happy.



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islandflower48
February 2009 | islandflower48
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i have been in the same situation my self where by a person who was once a family friend,decided she wanted a daughter of her own, rather than make her own she decided to fabricate a story to a so called church group,her 2 witness's ,1 an alcoholic,who never knows where the next drink will come from and the other suffers from the early stages of alzeihmers. the so-called friend was also known as a nympho-maniac of the rugby league team in nae-nae.one man was never enough for her, she played them all and broke a few marriages.she got her witness to write support letters for her to c.y.p.f.s.these 2 witness's know nothing at all about me,yet everything was believed and my daughter lost her 2nd daughter to a nympho.so how can these govt. dept's print matters to state that they keep families together and help them.it seems if you are a nympho or an alkie or even a nut case c.y.p.f.s will listen to you and give you what you want even at the risk of  RIPPING FAMILIES APART.we have not seen that grandchild for 5 years as the nympho claims it is not in the best interest of the child.she wouldn't know nothing.her own 2 son's left n.z. to get away from the taunts at the nae-nae clubrooms.and they will not allow their mother to have their daughters for holidays.one of their daughter's was here staying with one set of the grandparents when nympho went and got her,the childs mother found out and flew from perth to take her away from nympho.so what does that say about the nympho.she has had an island curse put on her and at the moment she is the size of a bus.she cleans people homes for a living which is about all she is good enough at.the lower hutt office of c.y.p.f.s. is full of disfunctional staff who only help place children to be murderd. too many cases speak for themselves.



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sherylree
February 2009 | sherylree
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You know I remember the story you speak about in your leading thread, it broke my heart.

Knowing that the surviving 4 children and their Grandmother had some support has mended it some, I find it sad that so many Australian's feel they can not do anything to stop this sort of thing happening.

As an Australian and a parent I believe it is my right to protect not just my own children but any child I feel is not being cared for in a manor fair or just to their basic needs, I feel as a human being it is my responsibility to care for those that can not care for themselves.

Well done to your daughters teacher for approaching  you and not just assuming.



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emmie
January 2009 | emmie
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REAT advice really gives out a strog message

Thanx for shari xx



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chrisharry
January 2009 | chrisharry
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i agee with all that your saying ,when it comes to kids yeah i would rather be safe than sorry. There is an old saying something on the lines   it takes a village to raise a child  not exactly those words but to me it refers we as a society should look after the little ones    Good story



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larustyka
January 2009 | larustyka
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My middle girl is very accident prone, she is an action junky with little reguard for her safety and how much something is going to hurt. she broke her collar bone before the age of 2 among other things.... I completly agree with you that people should be more involved in the heath and well being of children. I often wonder if anyone will ever approach me about her injuries but no one ever has..... I think it is very lucky for her that her injuries are from having a wild fun time rather than the ulternative...



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      iamschild
January 2009 | iamschild
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Thankfully the system is well aware of the joys of active children... and medical sience is pretty good at sorting out very quickly which is which. If it did happen that someone reported it, the worst that would happen should be a trip to the doctor for xrays, or a trip to a specialist if it's other injuries. And they get kids in right away, let me tellyou! So, just go with it, stay calm and let them check her out. Just so you know!



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toto
January 2009 | toto
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yeah for sure. You definitely should speak up, else how could u live with yourself if something happened. These poor children are the victims and if people keep on turning the other cheek then nothing gets better for them.



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llmunchkin
January 2009 | llmunchkin
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Absolutely, if in doubt, check it out... It irks me so much when they gather up a rangey bunch of neighbours on tv to give statements about how they thought that the parents of a child just found dead were abusive, or they could see the child was starving, or never came out of the house etc etc... They should be charged for being ignorant and negligent themselves, if they felt that way, why didn't they take action?



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iamschild
January 2009 | iamschild
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Thanks for writing this. You're expereince speaks like nothing else could!

 



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Rukia
January 2009 | Rukia
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great info and story..

I do have to agree and I have and my family have been in the situation on where I was confronted by my sons teacher last year about my sons bruises (he bruises easily) and my in laws with their eldest who had factor 7 difisency (it made them check it)



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janicepovey
January 2009 | janicepovey
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 This is an excellent article but it is a shame such an article has to be written, I would rather know I reported or asked questions about a false alarm....then know a poor little soul was abused or even worse.

Regards Janice



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mystikal
January 2009 | mystikal
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Well said! Thanks for posting this. I'm saddened to see so many people's noses get out of joint when you're just being honest and looking out for the well being of the child. Rest assured if someone approached me about my son, I wouldn't fly off the handles. I would do what you said and encourage them because it takes guts to be the odd one out and have a say. It could hurt someones feelings but at the end of the day a child's life and well being is WAY more important than feelings of those being asked. My 2 cents and I could care less if anyone disagrees.


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Tadpole
January 2009 | Tadpole
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Fantastic Advice and very well written :)



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