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Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

bruciegee by bruciegee Standing(January 2009) (rank 500+)

Re: Disciplining 3 year old
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Question:
My son is 3 years old. I'm finding it very difficult to discipline him. He never listens to me. Neither he obeys me. He does everything the opposite way when I tell him something to. Also he does

not seem to respect me or my husband. He beats us when we warn him about something. How can I handle him? Please give suggestions and advices on disciplining him. I'm so worried about him.

My Advice:

Firstly, good on you for putting the question out there and asking for some suggestions now!

Secondly, don't be too worried... your son sounds like he falls very much in the normal range of 3 yr-old behaviour! ; )

At the same time, this is an age/stage where effective discipline really kicks in... and is a really important foundation for his future (and for the health of your family and your peace of mind, too!). Reading your question, of course, we don't really know what methods of discipline you've been using so far, that don't seem to be 'cutting it'??

I may be considered by some to be a bit 'old school' about this issue... but I would say that children listening to and obeying their parent (s) is not optional at this stage (or any other stage in the near future!) -- they will all react differently, and go through a different process of trying to push the boundaries and resist authority... but they will all do just that!

Testing the boundaries is what kids do. Setting clear boundaries, and sticking by them, is what parents do!

At the same time, I think as parents we need to 'pick our battles' as it were... there is no point or value in finding fault in everything the child does in the day, or expecting instantaneous and complete change to come in every situation, just so everything goes according to our plans, likes and preferences (repressed kids might be obedient on the outside for a while, but just wait a few years!!) Our goal in parenting must be to TRAIN our kids to be self-disciplined adults, so having them understand the 'why' s and eventually come to agree with and internalise the principles and values is so important!

There are different (effective) styles of discipline (there are also a lot of ineffective/dysfunctional ones!) ... and what methods that work have in common is: 

          CLEAR COMMUNICATION of boundaries/expectations,

                REINFORCEMENT/ENCOURAGEMENT of positive behaviour

                 ... and CLEARLY DEFINED CONSEQUENCES for when the boundaries are crossed, or the expectations are not met.

I personally think that whether the consequences are a smack on the bottom, time out (in the corner at this age, maybe in their room as an older child), a stern talking to, or removal of privileges of some kind... the effectiveness is in the child knowing that the consequence is directly related to their negative behaviour, that it is consistent, that there is opportunity for them to reflect/understand what they've done wrong and apologise for it... and that it has a clear END, where the consequence is over and normal interaction restored.

Different 'methods' seem to work more or less effectively with different kids. We've done the (short, sharp) smack on the bottom, combined with a talk about why, a response from the child, and then a big hug before getting back into normal activity... We've done the removal of privileges (and then adding on an extra chore for a couple of days as the kids get older).

What worked well for us with our most strong-willed child from before 2 though til 4 or 5 years old, was time out (specifically, in our case, 'the corner"). Normally, when she was misbehaving, we would tell her, and clearly express what had to stop, and how she was expected to behave. If the behaviour continued, we would first give a verbal warning that the behaviour being presented was not appropriate... and that if it continued, she would be in the corner. Then, we followed through. At home, there was one spot, literally facing into a corner, that was the 'default' corner... but we adapted wherever we happened to be at the time. This, of course, was often an inconvenience to us (it might have meant one of us had to leave the table at a restaurant or at a friend's home, or stop what we were doing in a shopping centre, or ...

Of course, she didn't always go to or stay in the corner willingly!! We might have had to firmly, but as calmly as possible, take her to the corner... and maybe even hold her there, especially at first. Even when she would stay there, because she'd realised it was pointless to try to move away, we didn't leave her alone in the corner for long stretches... it was a place for her to calm down, recognise that her behaviour was unacceptable, think about the right thing to do, and then choose to do it -- which meant that we would go and ask whether she was ready to apologise, whether she had thought through why her behaviour was not acceptable etc (obviously appropriate to age level and understanding!). Sometimes it seemed like a very long time before she responded -- half an hour or so! ... the thing is, though, when she DID respond, it really was mostly having come to the understanding that she was wrong, being able to admit that and say sorry -- rather than just 'give in'.

When this happened, we would give her a cuddle, reaffirm our love for her, tell her we were proud of her for making good decisions etc... and move on!

This process is not a "quick fix", obviously... and requires some commitment (and consistent follow-through) on behalf of the parents... but it did bring some results (the corner was used less and less frequently, 'til it wasn't necessary anymore!), so might be worth considering?

All the best as you try and discover what works for you and your little person with a unique personality! 

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liswal
January 2009 | liswal
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

Very good advise! It can de a difficult age and if you follow the proccess you have written about, it really does work.. 

I followed the same guidelines with my son, He is now 18 yrs old and if you start this proccess and stick to it from a young age it really pays off. 



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mystikal
January 2009 | mystikal
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

I enjoy reading your advice, very simple to read. You are a natural writer (in my opinion anyway =) ).



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

Thanks!



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larustyka
January 2009 | larustyka
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

I use the step system too... It works very well.... My second child when using the step just hoped strait on the first time because she had seen my son do it so often, she actually thought it was fun at the start because she was getting to do something her big brother was doing...LOL... Didn't take her to long to figure out it was not fun though...

The step didn't work for me at the start, but after watching the nanny one night I woked out where I was going wrong.. I was yelling at him and sending him there at the same time instead of calmly taking and explaining why he had to be there... I still have trouble on the odd occasion to talk calmly...

Great advise



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

Thanks for the reminder that dealing with it calmly makes the difference between a positive training scenario and a total waste of time and effort (or even unhelpful abuse!)

just imagine! ... a parent who occasionally had a problem with keeping calm in a disciplinary scenario!

... somehow I don't think you're alone there, larustyka!



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Tanyajones
January 2009 | Tanyajones
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

Hi everyone, I have found a program that works when disciplining my children it is called the 123 Magic and more 123 magic program. If everyone could get their hands on this do so, as it show ways to disciplining and keeps you in control and saves a lot of  time and energy. This program only works on children from the ages of 2 years and up. so I do recommend it to anyone who wants an easy and simple way as discipline is so important



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Disciplining 1- 4 yr-olds : what WORKS???

Thanks, Tanya!...

BTW, another member was asking about this program in the Q& A section very recently... they would really appreciate your perspective, if you haven't already seen and commented on this!



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Philosopher13
January 2009 | Philosopher13
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

 Great advice!



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!



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iamschild
January 2009 | iamschild
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

I will say that I see the consequences of a lack of discipline early on almost everyday. Without adequate discipline, the problem only gets worse. Kids need rules, limits, structure and discpline. It actually helps them feel safe, secure and loved.

And without it, parents end up wanting to surrender their teenagers to me...



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

I agree... and like how u express it!

Love WILL discipline and set limits, to provide safety, security and a strong sense of self...

and I've had a few parents wanting to surrender their teens and pre-teens to me, too, because they didn't realise that the above was their job!!



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janicepovey
January 2009 | janicepovey
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

 I like your style of writing and I found this another excellent article. Parents have to find the right discipline that works for them and it is great having different ideas....thanks for sharing yours.

Cheers Janice



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

You said it, Janice... exposure to different ideas, for dealing with different kids (in different situations) is SO helpful ... particularly when we learn from the essence and principles behind what others say and do, in stead of trying to copy it line for line!



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Tadpole
January 2009 | Tadpole
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

More great advice "wonderdad" you have really got a nack for this (you should try writting your own book, really) .I found another dull boring place for the time out is the laundry. my eldest hates it and finds it very boring so a threat to be sent to the laundry usually quietens her down.



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

Thanks, Tadpole, for the compliments and extra suggestion!

... better ask my kids if I'm a 'wonderdad', tho'?



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llmunchkin
January 2009 | llmunchkin
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

Great advice, I hope it helps the person that asked the original question.  I worry for parents that have difficulty with their toddlers like this, as things will not improve with age if their discipline and expectations for good behaviour are not set in place from now on.  I agree that sometimes you need to vary your style with individual children, being flexible and innovative is a very important part of all aspects of parenting.  Timeout works best on kids who are very social and eager to please, they really hate being excluded.  For a more independant child, loss of privileges or confiscating certain items can work better.  Great advice on a very important topic, however I am coming to expect that when I read your advice.



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      bruciegee
January 2009 | bruciegee
Re: Discipline: It's too important to leave undone!

Thanks for the endorsement, for the extra information -- which gives an important reminder that all disciplinary styles are designed around what works for particular personalities! -- and for the encouragement, llmunchkin!!



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