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The difference between ownership and support

Lissi by Lissi Standing(February 2009) (rank 500+)

As we write in here our own experiences, I thought I might share one of my own with anyone who would like to read. November marked a change in my life that I dont know that I will ever come back from, its changed my family forever and distorted my

own ideas of parenthood and what it means to be mum/dad. Each day our children.. come home from school, suprise us with a new talent, tell us they love us or tell us they hate us! Do we ever really think about what we would feel if tomorrow our relationship with them will be threatened by any outside force? Honestly, Tay spent months going right to her room after school. I barely had a chance to ask her about her day, I was too busy running around after the other 5  and the new 3 we had just inherited with my new partner ( wonderful kids but still 6 kids to 9 kids is a bit of an adjustment even for me) I didnt conciously love her any less, but in not paying the attention to her, I guess I may have inadvertantly made her feel less significant.

Why do I believe this to be the case? Because every time i see my little girl, I watch the way she is becoming, its all about what she has, materialistic approach to all that she does, my daughter used to light up a room with that smile, the smile is now more of a smirk, when shes upset someone and I cannot remember the last time that I saw her genuinely smile with internal happiness...It saddens me to think I may have contributed to her confusion and insecurity within her relationship with me and I have run out of time to tell her that she means the world to me and her siblings.

 When married to her father. I sat and watched as his mother danced around the room to the news that her own mother in laws husband who was severely dementure and in a home, had infact forgotten her  MIL's name. My mind automatically went to the thought that this woman has missed out on soo much of her grandchildrens lives because of my ex mother in law and her ultimatim to her own husband to choose her or his mother, refusing to let him have a great relationship with both of them over a simple misunderstanding. The only support she still had was lying in a hospital bed with severe dementure and a number of other problems.. and my ex MIL found this to be wonderful news! This be the woman that is now raising my little girl on her own terms and daily tells my daughter that she isnt loved by me, has banned her from a healthy loving relationship with the only other people in this world i turned to for support when her father left me 7 months pregnant telling me that it wasnt his problem and i could deal with it alone, among other things.. This woman finds people she doesnt like and pretty much isolates anyone she considers to be someone she 'loves' from them.. this is what she is doing to my daughter, and my need to retrieve her before I too grow old with no relationship with my own daughter is there eating away at every attempt i make to try and not feel upset about it.... At what stage do we trust that we have done all we can to let our children know that they are loved and cared for by us, and feel secure that nobody can change their ability to feel secure that we love them unconditionally. Somehow when your daughter pipes up on a visit and says.. You're a sleeparound and a few other choice words to go with it when she never would have said this before or acted like this, you wonder what sort of stuff is being put into their heads and how long it will be before they dont want to know you and theres nothing you can do to reverse it!

Ok what is my revelation on this topic?? Well it came to me in a comment I made to my partner. I overheard him saying " No mate, I can teach you anything you need to know about mechanics" .. I listened in I guess I shouldnt have.. But I asked him why he said that. My partner said he can be what he wants but hes not being motor mechanic! My partner was actually a motor mechanic and hadnt found it to be a great path for him to take after a long period of study. I came out with a comment that haunted me and not only that but actually put something in perspective that I had been vague on.." It doesnt matter what YOU want dear.. it matters if he is doing what HE wants as he is the one that will deal with the consequences and no matter what your experience with it, if its what he really wants, whether likely to not be what he needs or not.. He has to experience it in order to learn from it!!!

One thing I have learnt from all this mess, is that I dont own Tay, or any of the other children for that matter, and although she is young, she may spend the next 10 years dreaming of that perfect life with her father and never having experienced it, not be able to see what it actually is like to do that for real... It precedes a time where I have to let go of the reigns a bit and let her experience it. Not only experience it, but be ready to dry her tears should it not be what she hope for... I think when we realise that we dont own our kids but we guide them and support them even in their bad choices, as long as we offer our support when they make those bad choices, I would say that we are doing our best. This dream of hers was there alot longer than I thought... I found diary entries, pieces of paper lying around her room with pictures of her and her dad (labelled stick figures) holding hands and suns shining.. notes that said she thought her dad loves her more than her mum and that she needed to be with him and hated being one in a group of 9 children! Maybe the catastrophe' would infact be more so if she hadnt found out what it was like... Every day I will hope for that relationship with my daughter to flourish, every day I will hope that she grows up and realises that throughout her life I have loved her as any mother does.. I  hope when she holds her first child in her arms she realises that I could never be anything less than amazed by her existance.

I dont know if my story helps anyone else feel better about a similar situation.. but everytime now that I go to tighten the leash on my other children, I remind myself that children take these things so personal and cant see the future until they live it..

WIshing everyone all the best, Cheers from Mel xx

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Ametrine
February 2009 | Ametrine
Re: The difference between ownership and support

Thank's for writing this very personal peace, I'm hoping that it will make other parents think more about how thay react towards their children.

"Children are not guests in our home. They have been loaned to us temporarily for the purpose of loving them and instilling a foundation of values on which their future lives will be built." Dr. James Dobson

 



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      Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
Re: The difference between ownership and support

The way we deal with our children as they grow will make or break our relationship with the kids.. One could be a perfect parent to toddlers and babies and then end up ruining all their hard work from allowing themselves to take whats said and done in the teens as a personal attack on your parenting .. our kids just need to know that they have someone that cares about them thru all their faults.. I think there needs to be education to train teens haha.. thanx for your comment xx



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Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
Re: The difference between ownership and support

Its about the breakdown between mother and daughter that occured for more than one reason.. its about the need for parents to make sure they realise their children get to an age where they feel old enough to make their own decisions, and telling them that they are too young infact can push them away, not only that but allows people that may have an alterior motive ( like my ex MIL) to say untruths and actually affect how that child sees you. Its about my struggle to come to grips with losing my 12yo daughter who was put in my arms 12 years ago and spent no more than 6 days away from me, all of a sudden facing the difficult decision to let her go and find out for herself what life would be like with her father instead of me.. its about staying close to your child emotionally and making sure they know they are loved and supported no matter how crazy life becomes.. It's about my realisation of this when I made a comment to my current partner about letting the child find out for themselves, the consequences of their decisions and just being supportive!!  There is nothing straight forward about parenting once it becomes complicated, and I guess my writing reflects that.



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      Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
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PS:  Writing is like artwork, if you find nothing within it you can relate to, it just looks abstract to all those who it doesnt concern, am sure that anyone in my situation would have no trouble understanding this advice, anyone going thru the empty nest stage prematurely knows exactly what I am referring to and its trials and tribulations. It the 21st century life of separated parents and the facts that when a child leaves home these days, they have another parent to go to, not the street, forcing us to just deal with the fact they are gone without the support of the law to bring them home to us as they too know its fruitless to force a child of any age old enough to make decisions.. It will just cause them to become more and more withdrawn and emotionally separated from you... When this happens you have to make a choice.. kick and scream and look like the terrible mother the other parent makes you out to be, or stand tall with your chin up knowing that your job up until this point has impacted their ability to trust you love them more than anything in the world...



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           llmunchkin
February 2009 | llmunchkin
Re: The difference between ownership and support

You are correct parenting is confusing; however an advice article about parenting is easier to understand if it is clear, concise, solution orientated.  The basic formula for most writing is that it should contain a beginning a middle and an end; i.e. an idea, information and conclusion. 

I am grateful that you took the time to respond in such detail to my query; however I still find the article extremely confusing as it leaps from one aspect to another and the topics don't seem related to one subject.



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                Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
Re: The difference between ownership and support

constructive criticism is always helpful.. however you seem to be the only one who doesnt understand it!! The solution is to let your children know you love them and let them make their own mistakes as long as there is no physical risk to them or their health that is... Perhaps if you take the time to read my profile and the events happening in my life right at the moment, you will make sense of what has taken place, I didnt write an article intending to be professional, I wrote it as I felt it, if i was professional, I would write a book and profit from my expertise.. unfortunately, I am a mum, not a famous writer or counsellor that has done numerous years on education getting diplomas and certificates to qualify me for others education on any subject.. I read some of your work too and commend you on your efforts, voted quite highly by myself also.. perhaps the human touch is needed though, none of us are perfect, thankyou for your feedback. Mel



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                     llmunchkin
February 2009 | llmunchkin
Re: The difference between ownership and support

46 visits and only a few comments... This often means that people just don't know what to say and many haven't voted - this sometimes happens when people don't finish reading the advice post, or get confused.  I could be wrong, however that is one of the reasons that I tried to give you some pointers that may make your advice easier for people to understand.  Thank you for your comment on my advice postings, however the comments I have made are not about you or myself, they are in regard to this particular advice posting. 



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                          Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
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Think of it this way, if say, someone were to tell you a tale of how they lost their entire family in the recent bushfires, how inproper would it be to write in and tell them how horrid their spelling is and how this has to go in this and that order. As it states in my advice, this is my experience, for those who would like to read.. if you dont want to read, move on, there is no point in acting like you are the only parent in minti that has a clue and everyone else is to be subject to your rules.. I read many articles and dont comment, not because i dont like it, but because i havent at that time got anything off the top of my head to write and I am simply reading the article. I have seen many of your posts to other minti mums, and most of it boasts how you have decided its not up to your standards!! this is my posting, if you dont like it, read something else!! you have a three year old and I have 6 children ranging in age from 12 thru to 4yo, my advice is just as valid as the next person.. infact to a point you could say i have many more years parenting experience, but, you dont see me going into your advice and telling you how to write it! Please, spare yourself the embarrassment of writing on my page, its not wanted or needed, you have given me your opinion now its bordering on just being plain ol' rude. Honestly I dont want you to read or understand my posts, I really didnt write this for a mum to a 3yo!!!  Initially I just thought you were picking on me.. but then read what you have written to other mums, I do remember what it was like to think i knew it all when i was a new mum too.. not any more as I am open to learning from those with more experience these days, it comes from maturity. All the best with your minti experience.. keep it separate from mine in the future and stop writing on my page please.



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                               llmunchkin
February 2009 | llmunchkin
Re: The difference between ownership and support

As I mentioned earlier; my comments are in relation to the advice posting and were made in good faith.  I don't appreciate the fact that you are trying to make this into something personal.  Everyone has the right to vote and comment on content on the site; the posting is public.  I did not belittle the value of the articles content, the topic or anything of the sort; I merely stated that I found it confusing to read.  Please be aware that this is not your page and everyone has the right to comment honestly in regard to advice postings; including myself.

 



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                                    Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
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I dont believe you have the right to continue what is obviously unwanted .. yes you have the right to comment.. and yes you are belittling my advice.. i have read you correcting typos on other pages too, for some reason you seem to think its helpful to go round correcting other peoples advice.. constructive criticism is about helping people , you asked questions about my post, i gave you answers and its like talking to Dory the fish off Nemo!! If it were so confusing how would i attract posts from people who obviously understood what I was writing about.. I dont know what you have joined this site for, but I personally dont go round reading other peoples advice expecting to make them all look like dumbos compared to myself.. its thats what floats ya boat.. then keep going but I will be writing in to ask them how to ignore someone on the site that is not making your own experience a good one.. I've worked long and hard for years, to gather together the information that I put out for others to read.. ok this is as simple as it gets

1) mother learns by her experience too late that she hasnt gone the right way about letting her 12yo know she is important, at the same time as MIL and her ex's family have gone into attack mode verbally thoughtout her daughters entire life that her mother is no good etc.. a vendetta no less

2) Daughter feels overwhelmed with not enough attention from mum, packs her bags and runs to her fathers friends house, at which time the child is blocked from seein her mother and instructed to tell police that she does not wish to see her mother.. the mother recieves no help from the law, no empathy from those who got involved.

3) Mother pines for her daughter and loses sleep, cries every night for weeks on end as her daughter is spoilt and encouraged to have nothing to do with her own mother as long as she expects to have the novelties she is recieveing.. such as a 60 dollar a week allowance ..how many mothers can afford to do this for all 6 children???

4) Mother has to realise that all of her time she spent raising her daughter has to be important enough for that child to realise that she is loved by her mother eventually, and the mother is far better off letting her daughter find out thru experience the answers she needs ( she has a roof over her head and she isnt on the street doing drugs)  The solution.. rather than pushing her daughter away, she needs to embrace that infact her daughter is growing up and finding the answers to the painful questions that she asks herself due to the divorce and family breakup that she has been part of...

I have read your profile, I can see you havent been thru the experiences that I have been through, and to be honest I will make 100 spelling mistakes.. it insults me that you are too selfish to read more meaning into someones story than to just simply pick out spelling mistakes and errors that you feel need correcting.. i read one post of yours to which you picked on another mother about using the incorrect word.. even silly old me knew what she was talking about and didnt need to pick on her for the typo.. it defeats the purpose of reading it to begin with! I wrote this post, following an extremely painful time for me in the hope that other minti mums who were going thru same or similar or even perhaps put their own parents thru it, could feel that they werent alone in what they were experiencing!

Keep writing on this 'public page' if you wish to do so, to be honest i really couldnt be bothered entertaining you any longer so there will be no more responses to your questions. I've dumbed it down for you to read.. hopefully you can make some sort of sense out of what I have written... if not.. well then I give up!!!



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llmunchkin
February 2009 | llmunchkin
Re: The difference between ownership and support

I think that there are a few tales in here that are jumbled into one?  I have struggled to find a correlation between the title, the situation with your daughter and the change in her behaviour; the strange situation with your ex-in lawsl; your ex-MIL's inlaws and after various re-reads I still can't find one.  It all seems to be jumbled and I am struggling to find the meaning of your advice within this article as it seems to leap from place/time/person in a confusing fashion.



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mystikal
February 2009 | mystikal
Re: The difference between ownership and support

I agree that the best experience is actually being there or going through the experience. I think it's better to understand where someone is coming from and relate to them. What I have studied has taught me little compared to what I have been through as a child. The experience is how I base my son's raising and most of my morals. And I hope things between yourself and Tay get better.



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      Lissi
February 2009 | Lissi
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Things between her and I are definately improving. She still insists that she wants to stay where she is, but i have been leaving the visits up to her decision on when to come and stay and when not to. I'm not treading on eggshells anymore and making sure that she knows, when she insults me for no reason, I dont approve of that in my home.. Shes actually seeming like she wants the discipline, perhaps because she has had everything 100% HER way for the last few months, perhaps craving someone to care what shes doing instead of just letting her do whatever she wants.. Quite a few people tell me they see her wandering around on her own or with kids her own age unsupervised.. I worry about her safety at a young age like 12.. but ofcourse nobody tells me this stuff till 2 days later and they didnt want to upset me etc etc.. I have managed to stick to my own morals and values by letting her know that my door is always wide open for her and that she is loved.. not because I want to be the cool parent but because I know that one day ( assuming her dad hasnt changed) she will need someone to lean on at a very tough time... All you can do is be there for them when they need ya, not watch and control their every move! unfortunately they have to make their own mistakes :D



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demonikangels
February 2009 | demonikangels
Re: The difference between ownership and support

I think you have given a good perspective as to your story and what we all see from our children.
Maybe we do need to take a step back and look at the world through our children's eyes every now and then and see what id effecting their lives.



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