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Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

josierm by josierm Walking(May 1st) (rank 330th)

Re: flu vaccination
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I'm currently looking in to the use of the flu vaccination and wondering whether anyone knows some really good medical sources with pure facts.



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Influenza and Flu Vax

Facts

The effects of the Flu and Flu vax in adults pregnancy and children

The flu season is upon us yet again.  The infection control nurse at the children’s hospital I work in has informed me that the first cases of the flu for the season are beginning to present to the hospital.  I have also noticed a few questions on minti about the flu vax so as a result, I have researched the medical data base extensively for safety, recommendations, side effects, myths, truths and effectiveness.  The information is from recent articles, since late 2008 and from sources such as the Centre for Disease Control (CDC)- a 60 page report considering all factors.  I am very aware that there are parents and minti members who are strongly against vaccination of any kind.  My aim is to present the latest research based information from a medical data base to assist parents in making informed decisions.  So I hope a few parents may get something out of this article.

First- What is the Flu?

Influenza is a virus of the respiratory tract that causes fever, chills, malaise (body aching), coughing, runny nose and sore throat.  There are 3 types, being influenza A, B and C, with A being the most common and causing the most severe symptoms.  The onset of influenza is quite abrupt- within the same day of starting symptoms (sometimes within a few minutes), you may be very unwell and bed bound with it.  Some people mistake the common cold for the flu, truth is- if you have the flu, you know it.  The common cold, in comparison, is not as severe and takes several days to reach its peak.  The flu has an incubation period of 1-2 days, when you may be infectious but not displaying symptoms.

Influenza is a severe and sudden infection.  Prior to the development of the flu vax, 35 million deaths worldwide were attributed to the 1918 influenza pandemic (Foster, 2008, p.409).  So yes, the flu can be deadly!  More recently, in the 2007-2008 United states flu season, 65 children died of laboratory confirmed influenza (Foster, 2008, p.409). (now that’s a tragedy, when it could have been preventable).

Influenza is severe enough to cause admissions to hospital, especially for children and the elderly.  Infection with influenza may lead to complications of sinusitis, ear infections, bronchitis, croup in babies, encephalitis (brain infection) viral pneumonia or bacterial pneumonia, which may be life threatening.  Children (especially those with asthma, cardiac conditions, chronic lung disease or other respiratory conditions), the elderly, pregnant women and immunocompromised people are at higher risk of complications.  Influenza in pregnancy can cause fetal malformation (Zaman, et al, 2008, p 1555).

IS IT THE FLU? (table HMHW, 2008, p.6)

Flu: thin nasal dischage, high fever, severe cough, severe muscle aches, severe headaches, severe fatigue and weakness.  treatment with fluids, sometimes decogestants, sometimes antiviral

Allergy: sneezing, itchy eyes/throat, watery nasal discharge. treatment with antihistamine and decongestants.

Cold: sneezing, watery nasal discharge, mild facial pain/pressure, low grade fever, mild cough, mild muscle aches, mild headache, mild fatigue/weakness.  treatment with fluids, inhaled steam, decongestants, antihistamines.

Sinusitis: thick discoloured nasal discharge, bad breath/ taste in mouth, facial pain/pressure, low to moderate fever, mild cough, mild muscle aches, mild headache, mild fatigue/weakness.  treatment with fluids, inhaled steam, decongestants and antibiotics.

 Influenza is more common in the winter months (Northern hemisphere- November to March, Southern Hemisphere- May to September) and is spread by direct contact/inhaling of infected respiratory secretions, either through coughing sneezing or contact with articles contaminated with these secretions (such as tissues).  In 2007 a study was done which found that in a cool environment and low humidity the flu virus spread much more readily (HMHW, 2008, p.5).  Summer weather protects us from the flu.  In the tropics, where there is no cool/low humidity environment, there is no flu season and although flu may be reported, it is not of epidemic proportions.  To add to this, during winter, individuals are indoors and closer to each other, increasing the risk of the spread.

There are several strains of the virus, and over time they mutate slightly (by changing proteins on the virus’ outer coat), making your own immune system less able to fight the illness, even if you have previous exposure (they change just enough for your antibodies not to recognize them any more).  This is why the flu vax is recommended annually.  Influenza is highly contagious and is responsible for epidemics and pandemics across the world.  Approximately every 4 years there is a ‘bad’ flu season (and a really bad flu season every 10-15 years), with more people hospitalized and more numbers to the epidemic.

Treatment of the flu

Because the flu is a virus, it cannot be treated with antibiotics.  Bacterial complications from the flu may be treated with antibiotics, but the aim is to prevent these complications in the first place.

There are specific anti viral drugs to treat the flu.  Two older drugs- amantadine (symmetrel) and rimantadine (flumadine) have lost their effectiveness.  Two newer drugs- Zanamivir (Relenza) and Oseltamivir (Tamiflu) can ease the symptoms and shorten the illness if administered within the first 24-36 hours of symptoms beginning.  Neither will cure the flu and both have side effects such as nausea, vomiting, wheezing, behavioural abnormalities (HMHW, 2008, p.8).  Antivirals are not recommended/ are unsafe in early pregnancy (Zaman et al, 2008, p.1555).

About Flu vax

The flu vax is designed to stimulate antibodies to a deactivated virus (injectable) so that when the body has exposure to the real virus, the immune system is prepared by being able to recognize the virus and having the right antibody proteins to fight it. 

Because of the ability of the flu virus to mutate, every year The Public Health Advisory Committee on Immunisation Practices updates its recommendations for the composition of the vaccine (1).  In most years, the new flu strain outbreaks in Asia first, which gives the rest of the world an opportunity to develop the vaccine likely to be the most successful at controlling an epidemic (HMHW, 2008, p.5).  Each year, a new vaccine is developed to protect from both an influenza A virus and an influenza B virus in the one vaccine (Fiore, et.al. CDC, 2008, p.9).

When the flu vax is well matched to the season epidemic strain, there can be a 70-90% effectiveness at reducing influenza infection in healthy adults younger than 65 years (Foster, 2008, p.409).  For this reason, healthy adults are encouraged to get the flu vax to prevent the spread to at risk individuals, as the flu vax effectiveness in those individuals is closer to 30-40% (CDC, 2008, cited in Foster, 2008, p.409).  This concept is known as ‘herd’ immunity-where if enough individuals are immunized against a disease, the whole population are less likely to become infected (Foster, 2008, p.410).    

A significant percentage of people refuse to have the flu vaccination because they are misinformed about the effectiveness and potential adverse effects.  The following table is from the AAOHN Journal, Oct 2008 p.410 (Levy, 2008, cited in Foster, 2008):

Common excuses for not receiving the flu vaccine and rationale against these myths:

‘The flu shot gives me the flu’ : This is impossible.  The vaccine is made from a dead virus that is not capable of causing infection.  This myth arose from the 1976 vaccinations given for swine flu that caused 7 cases of Guillian-Barre syndrome, although no proof of cause and effect existed.  Today’s flu vaccine is entirely different and does not carry that risk.

‘My immune system is so strong that I don’t need the flu shot’: Such individuals benefit the most from receiving the vaccine.  Effectiveness is greater in healthy individuals, and they can prevent infecting those who are immunocompromised.  Because the virus changes every year, receiving the flu vaccine annually will keep an individual’s immune system updated.

‘Last year I got the flu shot and had a terrible reaction’: Soreness at the injection site is normal.  Some individuals may experience a low grade fever, meaning that their body is recognizing and responding to the vaccine.  Such reactions last less than 2 days and are less severe than influenza.

‘I don’t like taking shots’: An inhalable flu vaccine exists for healthy individuals between 2 and 49 years of age.  This is a live but weakened virus.

‘Because there is a vaccine shortage, I’ll let others who really need it get it’: This years supply is expected to be plentiful.

Who should have the flu vax (1, and Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.2)

Those with high risk for influenza complications are recommended to have the flu vax including:

People aged 65 years or over

Residents of nursing homes or care facilities

People of any age with chronic medical conditions

Adults or children with chronic pulmonary or cardiovascular conditions

Adults or children who have required treatment for chronic metabolic conditions in the previous year- including diabetes, renal dysfunction, blood disorders

People who are immunosuppressed, through illness or medication.

Those aged 6 months to 18 years on long term asprin therapy due to the risk of developing Reye’s syndrome if contracting the flu.

Health care workers- if you work in health care you are more likely to be exposed, and you may be spreading the infection to at risk populations before you know you have the flu.  I have read reports on some hospitals wanting to make flu vax mandatory for all health care workers.

Members of a household caring for high risk person.

Any woman who will be pregnant or expecting to be pregnant during the flu season

Flu vax in pregnancy and breastfeeding

Flu Vax (injectable) is not only safe in pregnancy but encouraged.  The flu vax protects pregnant women from the flu and also provides a passive protection to the newborn as the mothers’ antibodies are passed through the placenta (Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.12).  Available data shows that the influenza vaccine does not cause fetal harm or affect reproductive capacity (Fiore, et al, CDC, 2008, p.14).  Pregnant women are at risk of influenza complications and are recommended to be vaccinated.  Maternal influenza infection has been associated with an increased risk of maternal hospitalization, fetal malformation and other illnesses (cited in Zaman et al, 2008, p. 1555). The flu mist is not licensed for pregnant women but there is no need to avoid contact with anyone who has recently been vaccinated with the flu mist (Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.28).

Breastfeeding women are also encouraged to have the flu vax.  It is safe in breastfeeding and not only protects the mother, but also protects transmission of the flu to her baby.  Infants and children are at higher risk of influenza related complications and hospitalization if infected (Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.28).  Childhood deaths associated with influenza are most frequent in babies under the age of 6 months (Bhat et al, cited in Zaman et al, 2008, p. 1555).

Flu vax in children

Flu vax is also safe in children.  A study reviewed by the CDC of 215 600 children indicated “no increase in biologically plausible, medically attended events during the 2 weeks after inactivated influenza vaccination, compared with control periods 3-4 weeks before and after vaccination” (cited in Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.14).

Children aged 6 months to 8 years who have never received a flu vax should receive 2 doses separated by 4 weeks (Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.9-11)

Flu vax injectable (TIV) versus Flu mist (LAIV) – all following info in this section from Fiore et al, CDC, 2008.

There are 2 types of influenza vaccination available- one is the traditional injectable vaccine and the other in a newly developed intranasal inhaled spray (or flu mist).  The injectable TIV contains killed virus and cannot cause influenza symptoms as a side effect (p.9).  It is recommended for anyone aged 6 months or older (Table 1 p.10).  Side effects include pain at the injection site, low grade fever.

The inhaled LAIV is a live, attenuated virus composition that can cause mild signs and symptoms such as runny nose, nasal congestion, fever, sore throat.  It is licensed for people that are not pregnant and aged 2-49 years of age (p.9).  It should not be given to immunosuppressed people requiring a protective environment, or people caring for immunosuppressed people, people with medical risk factors for flu-related complications, or children with asthma or wheezing within the previous year (Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, table 1, p.10).

Who shouldn’t have flu vax

Anyone with a history of allergies to egg or other vaccine components should not have the fluvax as it may cause an anaphylactic reaction (1).  Prophylactic antivirals may be administered to these people if they have had exposure to the flu.

Anyone who has a moderate to severe acute febrile illness should not be vaccinated until the symptoms are gone (Fiore et.al, CDC, 2008, p.29).

Anyone who has had a severe reaction to flu vax in the past.

Anyone who has developed Guillian Barre syndrome within 6 weeks of a prior influenza vaccine.

Controlling Flu, other than Flu vax

Hand washing- The best way to control the spread of any illness!

Distance- The flu is contagious within 3feet/1m of an infected person (HMHW, 2008, p.7)

Wear a mask- for high risk protection.  N95 respirator masks are recommended (HMHW, 2008, p.7).

Protect others- get vaccinated, don’t go to work or school and expose others, use a tissue for sneezing and coughing and dispose of it appropriately, don’t visit high risk populations (such as hospitals or young children).

Quit smoking- smokers are vulnerable to the flu and its complications (CRH, 2008, p.3)

Get enough sleep, eat well, exercise regularly and reduce stress (CRH, 2008, p.3)

Don’t rely on herbs or supplements- none have been scientifically proven effective at preventing the flu (CRH, 2008, p.3).

When the flu vax trolley comes to my ward, I will be rolling up my sleeve- not only to lower my chances of getting sick (who wants to have the flu and be responsible for 3 young kids), but to protect my children and my succesptible patients.

References

1-     Porth, C “Pathophysiology: Concepts of Altered Health States” 5th edition, 1998 Lippincott-Raven Publishers, pp505-7. 

2-     Hockenberry, Wilson “Wong’s Nursing Care of Infants and Children” 8th edition, 2007 Mosby, pp1324-1325.

Author not stated. ‘Influenza: How to Prevent and Treat a Serious Infection’ Harvard Men’s Health Watch (HMHW), 2008, Oct vol. 13, no.3 pp5-8

CRH, ‘Flu Shot, More Important Than Ever’, 2008, Consumer Reports on Health, Vol. 20, no.11, p.3.

Fiore, AE; Shay, DK; Broder, K; Iskander, JK; Uyeki, TM; Mootry, G; Bresee, JS; Cox, NJ; National Centre for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.  Influenza Division.  ‘ Prevention and Control of Influenza: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Influenza Practices (ACIP), 2008’, MMWR: Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, 2008, Aug 8th, vol 57, no.RR-7, pp. 1-60.

Foster, D, ‘Influenza Vaccination’, AAOHN Journal, 2008, Oct vol.56, no.10, pp409-11.

Zaman, K; Roy, E; Arifeen, SE; Rahman, M; Raqib, R; Wilson, E; Omer, SB; Shahid, NS; Breiman, RE; Steinhoff, MC, ‘Effectiveness of Maternal Influenza Immunization in Mothers and Infants’, 2008, New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 359, no.15, pp.1555-64.

CDC recommendations: http://web.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdf?vid=118&hid=101&sid=fc45b370-9f5f-445e-a490-ddb4b9c514ef%40sessionmgr108 –I apologise if link does not work, sometimes I get timed out of the data base.

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gnasher
June 26th | gnasher
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Thank you for this well researched and written article. I don't think people should put others at risk by refusing vaccination - for anything



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simplyme01ca
May 10th | simplyme01ca
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

I just read this through and learned a few things...I was discouraged from having a flu vaccination while I was pregnant because I never had one prior...Had I been aware then of what I have just learned here I would have pushed harder to get one. 

This is a very well presented article, easy to follow, easy to read and understand. 



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Seraphimwolf
May 10th | Seraphimwolf
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Your research was excellent, easy to read and up to date with current/recent medical recommendations. I would have given you a 5 but have decided to give you a 4 (there is no 4 1/2 option) because you included a few personal opinions in there. While I may agree with them, I think this advice piece would have been seen as more facts/less bias without those in there.



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mcm
May 5th | mcm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Get enough sleep, eat well, exercise regularly and reduce stress

Totally agree- 4 key points there. I don't think the vax helps. I have heard keeping Vit D levels up is a good thing as is Vit C for infection.



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

keeping fit and healthy is an important factor in preventing any illness, but it can't protect you from everything.  When someone with the flu coughs in your face, having a great immune system may not be enough to save you.  Not everyone needs the flu vax, as not everyone is at high risk- but for me, I nurse children with the flu in a hospital environment, so I have exposure on the one hand.  On the other hand I am also risking exposing high risk children, and my own children if I do get the flu.  Also not good.  I DO think the flu vax helps, as there is research based evidence to support that (which I have done my best to present here from respectable sources), but there will always be those who choose to interpret the evidence a little differently (or ignore it all together).  I expected there would be at least one person who may mark down my article based on personal belief, rather than merit.



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           mcm
May 12th | mcm
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Research too. There are reasons not to get the flu vax which is where I am coming from. Merit where its due for sure.



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                mystikal
May 15th | mystikal
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Can you please provide me with sources against flu vax? Thank you



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                     mcm
May 21st | mcm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

Basically the flu mutates every year so there are new strains  all the time. Its impossible to keep up.

The ingredients of the flu vaccine vary between manufacturers but are based on chicken embryo. So if you have an egg allergy, its not safe.

Ingredients: (sources are manufacturers statements.)
FluMist®: (MedImmune) Live attenuated cold adapted virus*, allantoic fluid (egg white), sucrose, potassium phosphate, and monosodium glutamate. Source http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Flumist_Vaccine.html.

FLUARIXTM: (GlaxoSmithKline) Chicken embryos, virus*, sucrose, sodium deoxycholate, formaldehyde, sodium phosphate, sodium chloride, octoxynol-10, Alpha-tocopheryl hydrogen succinate, and polysorbate 80, trace thimerosal (<1.25 mcg mercury per dose). Each dose may contain residual amounts of hydrocortisone, gentamicin sulfate, ovalbumin, formaldehyde and sodium deoxycholate.

Fluzone®: (Aventis-Pasteur) Chicken embryos, virus*, formaldehyde, sucrose, octoxinol-9, sodium phosphate, sodium chloride, Gelatin, thimerosal in the 5mL vials (25 ug mercury/dose), no thimerosal in prefilled syringes.

Mercury and formaldehyde are not safe at any level but here they are in an effort to prevent influenza. I don't believe it works anyway.

Recent reports about new cases of pandemic and Avian flu have generated a great deal of fear among the public, sending more and more people to stand in line for a flu “shot”. Due in part to the fact that more people want the flu vaccine and to the fact that the composition of the vaccine must be changed yearly, doctors, hospitals and other health care providers have had very limited supplies of flu vaccines over the past few years.  
The best thing that all of us can do, in our opinion, no matter our age or if we have children is to maintain a healthy immune system and practice good health health habits. For those of us who have children, we should make every effort to teach them good health habits as well. Proper nutrition, regular exercise and simple things like washing our hands are all important.   I have researched the immune system and its very interesting to me.  

Upon researching natural immunity I discovered this.

"Just because you give somebody a vaccine, and maybe get an antibody reaction, doesn't mean there is an immunity. The only true antibodies are those you get naturally. What we're doing is interfering with a very delicate mechanism that does its own thing.

"If nutrition is correct, it does it in the right way," says Dr William Howard Hay. "It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus into a little child and in any way improve its health. There is no such thing as immunization, but we sell it under that name.

"If we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it. The body has its own methods of defense. These depend on the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections; if it isn't vital enough, it won't, and you can't change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it."

"If good nutrition improves disease resistance, then "Why vaccinate?" is another common question. There is no doubt that vaccinations, especially multiple vaccines given repeatedly, are damaging to the body's vital healing abilities. I, and many health professionals world-wide, feel that the dangers of vaccine poisoning (vaccinosis, as it is called by homeopaths) have not been adequately assessed or addressed."  Natural immunity

 



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mand
May 5th | mand
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

This is great advice thankyou!



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josierm
May 5th | josierm
I had mine!

I got my flu vax today!



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      Rukia
May 5th | Rukia
Re: I had mine!

my kids and I get ours tomorrow. I cant wait.



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           josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: I had mine!

Do I sense a hint of sarcasm there! LOL.  I got mine done at work.  I barely felt it, the nurse was really good (but I guess thats all she does all day, so she's well practiced).  I am taking the kids to get theirs done when Imogen has her 12 month vaccinations.



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                Rukia
May 5th | Rukia
Re: I had mine!

Nah I am a freak. I like getting shots that will stop me getting sick. LOL (after last 2 weeks I am looking forward to it as I was really sick.) Plus I hate my kids getting sick. LOL

I never found it hurt last year either.



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grannyjack
May 4th | grannyjack
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Thankyou Josie. This is a valuable, well researched article which has settled some arguments in my family. Excellent.

grannyjack.



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Thanks grannyjack!



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matthew
May 3rd | matthew
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

 Awesome article - well researched and well laid out - great job !



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Cheers!



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NatalieP
May 3rd | NatalieP
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Well written and appears well researched - but there is not a single mention of any reason NOT to get the flu jab - and this makes me feel that there is a bias.  one of the reasons advice on this issue is so hard to assess is because it is either all for or all against, no middle ground.  i would have loved to see BOTH sides of the story.



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      josierm
May 3rd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

While I would have loved to have done a section on reasons not to give the flu jab, I was unable to find anything to write about in the medical data base that was evidence based.  I am sure if an internet search was done, there would be some carppy info to be found supporting whatever claims people would like to find, but i purposely presented only evidence based material.  I spent many hours searching with words such as side effects, adverse effects, risks etc- and nothing came up.  So it was not for lack of trying.  You could read the 60 page CDC recommendations for yourself if you like (linked)- they are a professional body who analysed all the available evidence, for and against.  do you personally have a reason not to have the flu jab that you could offer?



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      mystikal
May 3rd | mystikal
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

I currently have limited database search because my partner is away but I honestly couldn't find anything either other than biased information from a basic search. I even tried to specifically write things such as "against flu vaccine" in what credible articles I could get my hands on and it only returned 5 results from individuals trying to claim law suits. If you have information against the vaccine please share.



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mystikal
May 3rd | mystikal
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Thanks hun you must have spent so much time on this, I really appreciate your effort. I will print this out and share it with my mother's group, a forum who is looking at whether the flu vaccine should be mandatory and direct my friends who are also looking in to this topic to your link (popular topic lately). I sure learnt a lot from this too! I came across the egg study, at first I clicked on it to read it because I thought it was such a strange study it never occurred to me about the anaphylactic reaction until after I had read it. Thanks once again for putting so much time in to this study! You make it seem so easy! lol

xx



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      josierm
May 3rd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

many MANY hours! no worries.



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larustyka
May 2nd | larustyka
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Wow wow wow, what great advise...... thanks for writing this, I had not idea about flu shots.

Rusty xxx



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      josierm
May 2nd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

you're welcome.  thanks for reading!



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Stellasmummy
May 2nd | Stellasmummy
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Fantastic article, I've been looking everywhere for some info on this also. I thought I couldn't have it because I'm breastfeeding but that appears not to be the case! My next question is then, as my little girl isn't quite 6mths, should I just get it myself and continue b/f her, or should I get her done now? Or should I wait a month and get her done also?



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      josierm
May 2nd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Because the flu vax is not licesed for babies under 6 months, you could have the vaccine yourself and continue to breastfeed and then when she turns 6 months have her vaccinated as well (just means 2 trips).  We are only on the edge of the flu season (Australia), so you could wait and get done at the same time, but there are cases of flu about already, so it all depends on your exposure level (ie- do you have to take public transport, are you working, do you go to gatherings regularly).  If your exposure level is high then the sooner the better. If you are relatively isolated then it could wait.  Hope this helps.



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Rukia
May 2nd | Rukia
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

I got my kids the flu shot last year and neither of them were sick and my daughter who when gets sick ends up in hospital with croup never got there. (YAY for me)

We are getting ours on wednesday. (minus my hubby who thinks it isnt worth it) But even I who gets sick badly didnt get sick last year.



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      Arna
May 2nd | Arna
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Really?  Wow.  And you have some pretty tricky health issues amongst your family.  I will really have to consider it, especially seeing as my oldest gets vomity with the flu and then whines about having to stay home from school!  Like I want her home whining at me! lol.



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           Rukia
May 2nd | Rukia
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

unless they changed it from last year to hun, under 5 gets it for free and health care cards are $5.30 ( i think that is a script cost now)

it is definately a good idea to get.



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                Arna
May 2nd | Arna
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Thanks hun.  Definitely within our budget, and with Les being in his 50's, he really can't afford to get sick like last year again (stubborn mule that he is-I'll need all my cattle training to get him to the docs! rofl).



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      josierm
May 2nd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Thats great that your kids didn't get sick.  Flu vax doesn't stop kids from getting sick, but it is one less bug to worry about.



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Arna
May 1st | Arna
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Excellent article!  Very well researched and very informative!  You have changed my views on the flu vaccine, and I think when I manage to get to the doctors, I will have to discuss it with them (spent 9 months flu ridden last year and don't want that again this year).  You also managed to answer a question that has been bugging me: Is it safe for breastfeeding women?  Knowing that it is and will benefit my baby too, I think I might get the shot this year, and every year possible after.

Great timing for this article too.



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      josierm
May 2nd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

WOW, i changed someones views!!!! LOL.

to be honest, i'm just glad that at least one person had enough time to read all the info here (I know, its a loooong article).  Sounds like flu has hit you hard in the past!

I am still breastfeeding, but being exposed to the flu at work every working day (when the season really starts), i really don't want to bring it home to my kids.  so i'm getting mine.  Also I go from working with the kids who have the flu, to working with kids who are immunocomprimised (oncology patients in particular) and I dont want to be responsible for a flu related death of someone elses child.

I did have other articles that I didn't quote, believe it or not- but most of them referred back to the 60 page CDC recommendations.

thanks for reading!!!



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           Arna
May 2nd | Arna
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

I had been a huge sceptic of flu vax because my auntie had the vaccine 2 years in a row, and both years, she spent more time in hospital than the years before and after using the vaccine.  I think though, she has some of the conditions that mean it isn't as effective for her.

There is a lot of info, though I've learnt to skim through it.  My brain picks up on what I am looking for and what I don't see, but you don't seem to have missed anything out.

I made the assumption that it wasn't advisable for breastfeeding women because the MMR isn't safe (I've been told to get that again too for some reason) and neither is tetanus (2 years overdue for that one now). 

Yeah, might be wise to not quote a 60 page health recommendation.  I'm pretty cluey about medical talk, but even that would twist my brain! lol.



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                josierm
May 2nd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

hehehe. I have that 60 page recommendation right here! its the Fiore et al, CDC.  I thought instead of quoting other articles that cited info from the recommendation, that i would just go straight to the source!  otherwise my reference list would have been longer than the article itself.

One day i'll look at other immunisations for safety and efficacy- but for today, i think i have had enough of the academic stuff, LOL.



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                     Arna
May 2nd | Arna
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

I did that once in year 11.  I had an assignment where every resource I found refered back to this one particular resource, so I ditched the secondary ones and found the primary one.  That assignment was a good one, worthy of a good mark.  But I failed!  why?  Because I didn't use 3 or more resources for it (I ended up using 2).  The morale there was, use all resources, even if they are refering back to each other! lol.  I got to redo the assignment (different topic though) and still got a great mark (96%).

I wonder if they have a vaccine for baby brain, or maybe sleep deprivation.  Or even better, feralitis (you know, feral kids!).  They would be greatly appreciated here! pmsl.



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                          josierm
May 2nd | josierm
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

you could be a millionaire if you developed those vaccines.  I soooooo need them!

My most recent assignments (for my post grad) required at least 20 references.  now THAT was a pain!



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                               Arna
May 2nd | Arna
Re: Influenza and Flu Vax Facts for Adults, Children and Pregnancy

Yeah well.  I'm sure in 10,000 years time, someone will work those vaccines out.  Pity it will be too late for us then. lol.

20 references!  The mind boggles at how you would come up with 5 or 10, let alone 20!  I guess it is something I have to look forward too as well when I start my studies.



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