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The OTHER side of depression.

josierm by josierm Walking(May 3rd) (rank 348th)

The OTHER side of depression

  I am writing this whilst going through the lowest period of my life, more as advice for myself to follow, a self-affirmation and a therapeutic outlet than anything else.  I don’t know if this will help anyone, but I felt the need

to express my experiences as the person on the other side of depression and mental illness.

 

 Many people can relate to either having depression or knowing someone with depression.  In my case, I married someone with depression.  Why? I was tolerant, I made allowances and excuses and I had a need to fix people.  At the time I did not know it was depression, and neither did he.

When I first started dating my partner, he had recently lost his mother to cancer.  The first year of our relationship was just like any other new relationship- flowers, chocolates, movies and dinners.  When the mood changed, I put it down to suppressed and delayed grief and a non-emotionally supportive relationship between my partner and his family.  So again, I made allowances and I was supportive.

  I had visions of a happy family- marriage, house, children.  It’s what my predecessors had done.  Isn’t that the path I should take too?  I had found someone and thought I might never again have someone interested in me.  So I clung to this relationship and tried to make it work.  I had old fashioned values: once you are with someone, you stay with them.  I tried to fix him and put everything I had into engaging his mood.

  Pre-kids, my partner was moody, had a short fuse but was never violent toward me- usually inanimate objects suffered the consequences, was selfish and self absorbed, apathetic, unmotivated and lazy.  Everything was my fault.  He took no responsibility for anything.  He had no respect for anything or anyone.  I thought I could fix this with some quality time together, communication and exercise.  I was extremely tolerant, but at the same time young and foolish (I know that now).  Still, I thought our path was to marry and have children.  So we did.  The children did not come easily.  We suffered through infertility and we both ended up with psychological problems due to this.  Again, another excuse and more allowances.  We went on a big overseas holiday to aid in our pregnancy attempts.  There were some great memories, but I remember thinking it would have been more fun with someone else- someone less negative and more adventurous.  Someone who would not have a tantrum because we had to drive around one town 3 times to find our accommodation.  I thought the experience should be exciting, he just found it stressful and something else to complain about.

  Finally our twins were born.   Then he became scary.  He was extremely withdrawn, snapped every time I made a simple request, he was not coping at all and became highly dependent on me for emotional support.  He had no friends, no close family to confide in and his work colleagues lived an hour away.  I was left to deal with newborn twins on my own and on top of that, be the sole emotional support for my demanding husband.  I made sure that he was protected from any stressor- I got up to them at night, they were bathed during the day by me alone, I had to have the house clean and dinner cooked so that he had nothing to worry about when he got home from work.  Hanging washing at 6am, doing dishes at 10pm, getting about 4 hours sleep every night.  Work was ALL that he could cope with at that stage.  I could never share my worries or negative feeling with him, he could not even cope with his own.

  I had unsupportive comments from him about breastfeeding and routines.  Looking back, I am surprised that I managed to breastfeed for as long as I did.  When my twins were about 4 months old, I tried to leave the house whilst they were awake for the first time, and left them in the care of their father (up until then I had to get them to sleep before I left them alone with him, because he would not cope).  I was terrified when I had just arrived at the shopping centre car park, been gone for 10 minutes, and received a phone call from him saying “how dare you leave me alone with them while they are awake”.  I sped all the way home, worried about what he would do to them if they did not stop crying.

  I could have left him then.  But I didn’t.  No, instead I had a mature, rational and calm conversation with him, all the while being supportive, but expressing my concerns over his anger management issues and the safety of our babies.  I encouraged him to seek counseling, which he did.  He was better for a while but deteriorated again.

  This time, I could see that the negativity he was radiating was affecting the children.  I was an adult, I could cope with it, but he would not do that to our kids.  My first ever ultimatum- get help or get out.  So he went through the counseling process again and started on medication.

  The medication did help.  In fact, it helped to the extent that we decided to have another baby.  Problem was, as soon as I was pregnant, he went off the meds.  YET ANOTHER DETERIORATION.  Well, I couldn’t leave him now……I was in too deep.  New house, big mortgage, 2 kids and one on the way.  No, I had to keep trying.  I had to keep my family together.  Relationship counseling! This time I would make sure my concerns were heard and that he was telling the truth about how he was really feeling, and not pretending everything was fine, just so that he didn’t have to attend any more.  I also had to make sure that he would cope with a baby much better than the first time around- I could not go through that again.  He went back on the meds and we had counseling together for most of my pregnancy.  I still felt like I was the only one putting in the effort.  I had to drag him off his computer games just to do our counseling homework- 10 minutes of talking, how hard should that be?!

  Our third baby was born and things were going just fine, for a while at least.  Then more bad stuff- in fact 4 pages of typed concern, emotion and suggestions and a laughable separation (a week off work and a 4 day fishing trip!!! Not really the reality check I had intended).  The final decision: My efforts have not worked, I will step back and see where your priorities lie and if I am worth the effort, you will try.

  He did get better, he now has friends, a good job, a social life, is attentive to the kids, controls his moods and has very few outbursts these days…….but for all my years of effort in making him the person he is today, I still get put second best (or third or forth).  I was naïve to think that once he had the emotional ability to put back into this relationship, that after all these years of being supported and protected and not being held responsible or accountable for anything, that he would actually put some effort back into me.  But he was so self absorbed that he was oblivious to my years and years of effort and didn’t even realize that there was something to be appreciated for.  He is starting to acknowledge this now, but for me, it is too late.

 

So, as you can see, I really did try.  I was as supportive as I could be for as long as I could be.  The problem is, I have given too much.  I have nothing left to give.  When you receive nothing for your efforts, there is even less to give.

 

So the advice in all of this:

1-     Be supportive and direct the person to professional help, but never be so protective of hurting someone that you can’t share your own feelings.

2-     Never give so much of yourself that you have nothing left to give to yourself.

3-     You can’t be the partner/lover and the therapist in a relationship- leave it to the experts.

4-     There is only so much you can do for someone.  They will only change if they want to change once they have the ability to do so.

5-     Nothing is more important than protecting yourself and your children.

6-     Always be honest with yourself and your partner.

7-     Never take on full responsibility for making a relationship work- both partners should have equal give and take throughout the overall course of the relationship.

8-     Partners of people suffering from depression should also seek professional help.  There can be a lot to offload and deal with when your partner is not only not able to help with your concerns but also making extra demands on your energies.

9-     Actions speak louder than words.  There is only so many times you can express something before change should occur.  If change does not occur after the first couple of attempts, then its obviously not that persons priority.

10- Depression is a factor, not a long term excuse!

11- I was put in this situation for a reason.  Rather than letting it drag me down, I am trying my hardest to let this experience make me a stronger person.  Life sometimes takes effort to be happy- for that I now need to focus a little on me!

 

 

 

I have learned many things about myself through this journey.  Now after 11 years of putting my life and soul into someone else, I have to deal with my own lack of self worth, low self esteem, anger, resentment, grief for what should have been, fear for the future and worry over the outcome for my 3 kids.  I am now going through my own acute depressive state and dealing with the stress of a separation and seeking counseling myself.  I am hurting.  I am left to pick up the pieces of my life because this one person who I had put so much into, never cared enough to return the favour by even a fraction.  I am not the same person I was 11 years ago, my experiences have changed me.  But only I can determine if that change is for the better or worse in the long term.  Live and learn.

 

This is the other side of depression.

 

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mystikal
September 13th | mystikal
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

I did a psychic reading last night for a man and I didn't realise until half way through that he had severe depression. I'm all for helping people but this guy was clearly happy drowning in his own misery and made excuses for absolutely everything. I didn't bother replying to him as he sucked the energy right out of me and still recovering. My god some people can be so draining!!!



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sandra106
September 13th | sandra106
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Great article I like qoute number 10 thanks for sharing your experience will help alot of people



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theoneoflight
May 12th | theoneoflight
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

I congratulate you on your courage and strength on sharing one of your most private and painful of life experinces. For me it was like reading what I had been through for almost the last 8 years. Today was yet another day of struggle and fight to protect and provide for my daughter. I am numb to the core of my being yet I will never give up for my most precious gift my loving child. I am a first time mum and the feeling and emotions I am having to protect her from such an abusive and unloving father is overwhelming. After years of abuse and believing he would change I too found the courage to say enough is enough. He now chooses to do all that he can to make it financially, emotionally and phsyically impossible for me to protect and provide for my child and is making every attempt to wear me down to meet his demands about property. He refused to sign a proposal he put forward to me to see our child and thats hard to say, as he refused to see her with me present. Only due to the fact unless I agreed to go to mediation about property he wouldnt go ahead with his proposal and go straight to court to seek shared custody if not full custody. This floored me. After not being in my childs life on a regular or safe and healthy manner since the moment I found out I was pregnant. He believes he is entitled to now use her as leverage to make me meet his demands. Anyway I go through every emotion on a daily basis, I dont have family support yet I find the strength every day to continue to love my child, myself and do all that i am compelled and love to do for my child and myself.

Thankyou again for sharing and I wish you love light and peace and thankyou for inspiring me to share.



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sherry1988
May 11th | sherry1988
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

I went through depression while I was pregnant with now 23 month old son. I have suffered with depression since I was 14 and tried committing suicide. I always thought that no one understood what I was going through but your article helped me so much. I now know that I am not alone. You opened my eyes up and made me realise that life can go on and I am no different to what I was before depression took over my life or so I thought it did.




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mand
May 5th | mand
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

You have three beautiful children and so much to look forward to wish you all the best !!!!!!



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

They are the best thing out of all of this, and the most important to be protected.  Thanks for your well wishes.  xoxox josie



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bruciegee
May 5th | bruciegee
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Fantastic article, Josie... love the way you just lay it out there... which makes it very readable, personal and deeply engaging... but still containing those nuggets of pure gold wisdom. Thanks for being so generous with your experiences -- painful and joyful ones -- so that others can learn and benefit and be encouraged.

 



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Yeah , sometimes I forget that what i am writing is going all the way around the world via the WWW for everyone to read.  Probably too much info .  Thanks for reading bruciegee!



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Marglr
May 5th | Marglr
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Lots of interesting points to ponder here. Well written.  I think the only thing worse than your 11 years would have been 11 years and a day. I am glad you are on your way to a new life.  Should be an exciting journey!  They say we meet people for a reason.  You were what he needed to draw from.  But now I bet you would see that kind of person and not be available.  You will go through all kinds of stages on your way to liberating yourself but the trip will be worth it!  I think too that you will be looking at a person you really like, we are!



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Its all about life experience, isn't it.  I still believe that everything happens for a reason, and we were in each others lives for a purpose.  I think that purpose has been fulfilled and its time to move on.  Maybe when I am old and grey there may be someone to return the effort.  Karma??  Thanks for helping me start my new journey.  xoxox josie



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kathryn-solaris
May 4th | kathryn-solaris
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

totally speachless... been staring at this blank box for a while and wondering what i could say to make it all better for you. but that would just cheepen your struggles i guess.

i do know one thing though, this is a beautifully written and thought provoking article. thank you for sharing. ::)'s from becca.



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Thanks for commenting Becca (even if it was hard to think of something to say, LOL).  I have come to realise that only I can make me better (a change of focus is on order) but all the support and encouragement I am getting from my minti friends is really REALLY helping.  I am truly shocked but pleasantly surprised by everyones well wishes. xoxox josie



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larustyka
May 4th | larustyka
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Wholly wow, you poor lovely lady.....You may be somone else after your ordeals and 11 years living your life for someone else, but from all the tings I have seen you write on minti you still have your best qualitly on the inside and that is your kind and loving heart... The most important part I think   



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

AWWWW, thanks Rusty.



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leclaire91402
May 4th | leclaire91402
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

This is great advice.  There are many things written about depression but it is not often that something is written from the other side of the story.  I think this is great for people in a similar situation.  This will help people understand what is happening.  Your strength to deal with your husband's depression while caring for small children is inspiring.  I can not imagine how difficult it must have been for you to br rasing newborn twins while dealing with the needs of your husband.  You must be a very strong woman.  Good for you!



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      josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

It had its moments, but i think we all just do what we have to do and what we feel is right at the time.  I don't feel that strong at the moment, more overwhelmed than anything, but in time, I hope to find myself again. Thanks for your support. xoxox Josie.



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grannyjack
May 3rd | grannyjack
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Hi Josie, what a great article. I live with depression in my life, both my daughter and I have depression, but, thankfully, our symptoms are well managed by medication, and our almost daily attendance at our Psychiatric Rehabilitation centre in Newcastle. I'm no expert, but the smptoms you have described about your partner sound as if he has more than just depression in his life. But that is not your problem - it is his, and it sounds to me like he really needs to be diagnosed and treated properly.

Eleven years is a very long time in any relationship, let alone the nightmare that you have described. You have done your absolute best for him and for your children, and no-one can expect any more than that. The children's welfare must come first, so I believe you have done the right ting by ending the relationship. Before my eldest Grandson turned 2, the Dept  of Community Services put him into foster care, not just for a few years until my daughter could get her act together (she was 18) but until he is 18. She gets to see him four times a year for one hour! She has grown enormously in the ten years since then, but she hasn't applied to the court for custody to be restored to her because my grandson has lived with the same family since Day 1, and they are more able to meet his needs than my daughter is. He doesn't remember anything about his life before foster care. I don't know why I told you that except that what happened to my daughter is an example of how serious depression can be, and some of it's consequences.

Two years ago, my daughter had a breakdown. She had stopped taking her meds, and was depressed, anxious, paranoid, and suffering border line personality disorder at the same time. She has put things (mainly head and fists) through the walls, screamed at me, and generally behaved in an anti-social way. She has been through cutting her wrists, to the point that I wouldn't let her go to the bathroom alone, primal screaming, being very unwell. I took her to our Psychiatric centre, where the boss is a psychologist, and she talked with him for a good hour. That really helped, but she couldn't get an appointment with a mainstream psychiatrist or psycholohist for months. Taking her meds again was what she needed to do, and she did, and recovered quite a lot from that, but a person who is living with mental illness needs proper diagnosis and treatment as a first, REALLY BIG step.

I had a psychiatrist for eight years, and I used to talk to him about Jodii, and it was like I was treating her through him!  Not very clever! It got to the point that every thursday afternoon after my appointment, I would say "Al reckons......." and to this day, she squirms when I call people in my life Al instead of Alan.

Josie, you have done absolutely the right thing for you and your kids. Hang in there, don't let things get too overwhelmng, and know that you have lots of Minti friends.

Lots of love,

Jacqui.  xoxoxo



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      josierm
May 4th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

That sounds aweful Jacqui.  What a story!  I have cared for hospitalized mental health patients, and have been witness to self harm and suicide attempts and its not nice, but I get to go home at the end of my shift.  Living with that really would be a nightmare.  My husband is much much better now and is a really attentive father at present but never really realised that I had needs too.  I only ever asked of him what I thought he was able to give.  Now that he is better, lets just say he is not giving what he's got to me.  At least we can agree that the kids will always come first in all of this.  thanks for being a 'minti friend' to me. xoxo josie. 



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llmunchkin
May 3rd | llmunchkin
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Josie, you are worth your weight in diamonds, gold & platinum plus!  What a wonderful article, I felt your pain, fear & frustration, though I don't think I could possibly have held out so long!  You gave it 210% missy & you aren't a martyr, you are a woman who deserves to RELAX, enjoy your children & the simple good things that life has to offer... Trust me, there are men everywhere that would adore and respect you, so there is no rush for that - just enjoy being YOU! xoxox



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      josierm
May 4th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

That really does make me feel better.  You know just the right words!!! mmmm, maybe I sould try harder to stop losing weight, then I might be worth even more (ATM I am losing value every day, LOL).  Thankyou. xoxoxox josie.



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           llmunchkin
May 4th | llmunchkin
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

LOL - you think you are losing value, so now is a good time to invest in yourself before your price goes up!  Just like the stock market, everything has a cycle, if you are at your lowest; the only way is UP! xox



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                josierm
May 5th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

I could make a big profit!  I guess that depends on how much I invest, LOL.  Love the deeper meaning behind that one! xx



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Arna
May 3rd | Arna
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Oh hun, what a wonderful article, but what a shame that it had to be something so heartbreaking!  Keep trying to find yourself, though i think minti is helping with that!

Thank you for writing this, I'm sure it will help others in similar situations.



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      josierm
May 4th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Minti definately is helping.  You poor people have to endure all my crap, LOL.  One day I will be my bright, optimistic and energetic self again.  Thanks for your support.  xoxoxo Josie.



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           Arna
May 7th | Arna
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Then your crap really does smell like roses! lol.  You are a very strong person for leaving and you know that!  many women stay because they have been raised that they have to.



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                josierm
May 7th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Ha! maybe not roses, maybe more like those flowers that smell like rotting flesh (saw that on CSI once) LOL.



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                     Arna
May 11th | Arna
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Oh, I remember that episode!  It was the Rotting Corpse Flower!   They smell really bad, but are apparently excellent pest control.  I don't think I will be getting any in my garden though!



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nell18-3
May 3rd | nell18-3
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

This is a great piece!!!

My children and my parents know the other side of depression, although my depression was only reactive to being abused not a long standing condition. I think they would say I was hard work simply because they were so worried about my dis assocation with all things, my withdrawal from life itself and my complete loathing of myself

You did absolutely everything you could, hold your head high, you have shown incredible strength, courage and loyalty, its your turn now

xxx



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      josierm
May 4th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Hey, you had good reason.  I have seen some of your story and it doesn't look pretty ('sane person in an insane situation', or something like that!).  But it makes you the wonderful person you are today.  We all need to depend on loved ones at some time or another.  I'm so glad you came through it all and are here today to share your own experiences.  Thanks for your encouragement.  xoxo josie.



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mystikal
May 3rd | mystikal
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

I could only imagine how drained you're feeling at the moment. 11 years of giving someone all that lovely energy you have inside of you while he was sucking it away to leave you dry. I remember that feeling well, been in many crappy relationships but if I hadn't of learned the lesson the hard way then I would have never of found someone whose energy I can bounce off and grow as a person. I hope you find what you're looking for one day. Some people have that effect hey, walk in to a room and it feels like they're vampires sucking the life out of you.



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      josierm
May 4th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

Thankyou Mel.  Its so great to have understanding people here to share my life experiences with. xx josie



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Rukia
May 3rd | Rukia
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

great advice. My partner has been with me for 9 years now and taken care of me through my years of depression and suicidal states. He has made me a better person but he has to grow now and be a better person and start to be himself.

It is so easy to just let the person with depression run your life and care for them cause you love them limitlessly. I know it is my turn to turn the table about now and take care of him and make him a better pesron for himself and me and our kids.

I wish you lots of luck with your future and I am sure it will be a long hard road as life is, but it will be rewarding for you.



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      josierm
May 4th | josierm
Re: The OTHER side of depression.

You are beautiful inside and out.  I can see that from what you have given to the minti community.  I also can see that you are not solely depending on your partner for 100%support.  You have other means to get you through.  In this case, it CAN work.  I am so glad that, even though you have had , and are still going through your rough times, you can still acknowledge and appreciate your partners needs.  I really hope you keep getting better and continue to support each other. xoxoxoxo josie



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