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Post Natal Depression

kseers by kseers Young Parent(July 21st) (rank 25th)

I’ll start by sharing a quote from a Minti friend here:

“What I want to highlight is that when you're in the middle of it, you can't be bothered trying to fix anything.  You're just so flat and depressed, and often don't realise it.  I

wouldn't be surprised if a lot of PND goes undiagnosed. I did nothing to help myself. 

I did the bare minimum during the day, just enough that my kids were sort of clean and fed, but that's it.  Nothing was enjoyable, and if I could have, I would have stayed in bed.  I didn't go out to see anyone, I didn't exercise, I don't remember what I ate, probably whatever was in my way.  I have described the feeling as lukewarm gruel.  Like someone sapped the colour out of everything in my life.  Things that I would normally take pleasure in became like plain cardboard.”

What is being described here is PND.  Postnatal Depression (PND) is a recognised and treatable illness, which affects approximately 10-15% of mothers and 10% of fathers.

It may come on immediately after the arrival of the baby but can also present later, or go unrecognised for weeks or months.  It is also now being recognised that some mothers start to feel symptoms while they are pregnant.

Most of us have days when we feel down or life just seems too hard, but most of us get through them.  When you find that the days are becoming weeks and you aren't coping or feeling interested in life - then you need to seek help.

Symptoms can include crying for no reason, feeling anxious, loss of interest in things around you, withdrawing from people, changes in eating and sleeping habits, trouble concentrating or making decisions, being angry, irritable or restless, lack of energy, headaches and feelings of sadness, worthlessness or guilt. 

It is common for a depressed mother to feel that she is unable to cope and have irrational fears. It is important to remember that it is the depression that makes her feel like this and that mothers do recover from PND, although it may take time.

I had suffered depression pre-children but, after my children, my symptoms were different so I assured medical staff that I did not have PND. 

My first child, my son, was a stressful pregnancy and an emergency delivery of a small baby.  He did not sleep well or feed well and cried a lot.  I was anxious, not sleeping well, easily upset, unable to cope with simple things, incapable of making decisions and constantly tired.  I was sure I just had sleep deprivation and if only my baby would sleep I would be better. 

But, when I had the same issues with my second baby, who was a much better pregnancy, a natural delivery, who fed well and slept better - well, then I had no excuse.  I admitted something was wrong, I got help and things got a lot better a lot quicker.

So there is a scale of severity and sometimes you may experience different symptoms of depression, but after a while you start to recognise the symptoms and to know what is 'normal' and a bad day and what is an indication something is wrong.

Now I recognise that I have a predisposition to depression and when I am stressed I am more likely to suffer it.  There is a genetic element to it - so I can partly blame my family - but it also seems to be affected by my attitudes.  If you are someone who is often anxious and who sees the negative in situations you are more likely to suffer this illness.

Yes, it is an illness.  There are chemical reasons for depression.  We could just as easily call it Serotonin deficiency without the same stigma as 'depression'.  Depression results when the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain (Serotonin and Noradrenaline) are reduced.  Some of us have lower levels, hence are more susceptible, but stress also reduces the Serotonin levels in our brains, thus opening us up to this illness.

Becoming a parent is a huge stress on you and your body.  Having a difficult pregnancy or birth (or in my case both), a baby with medical issues, feeding or sleeping problems, can be a factor, as can your feelings about parenthood, which are influenced by your past and your own parents.  Often with counselling we can identify the factors that may have contributed, and this can be part of the healing process.  But it can happen to any of us and left undealt with has serious consequences.

It can affect family relationships and cause the breakdown of marriages.  In severe cases mothers can do harm to themselves and their baby and it can also affect the babies natural development and emotional health.

When I was diagnosed I struggled with:

Why Me?
Why Now?
What happens in the future?

I accepted that I needed help - I had children depending on me and I had a child old enough to want to know why Mummy was sad and what was going on.  So I agreed to medication.  The biggest hurdles I faced were my own mental stigma attached to anti-depressants and wondering how long I would be on them for.

When you understand that depression is an illness, you accept that medication is an option.  If you had diabetes you would take medicine without a thought, so why are we so afraid of anti-depressants?  The new ranges are a lot safer, have less side effects and can be taken shorter term (without addiction).  Plus there are medications you can take while breastfeeding. 

Anti-depressants don’t work for everyone and there is a bit of trial and error involved in trying them and sometimes side effects you need to be aware of.  However after a few weeks taking them I felt a lot better, I could think straight again, and felt I was on top of things again.  I only took them for six months, but I know this is fairly unusual and most people take them for somewhere from 6-24 months after delivery.

Once I started to feel better, I wondered where I went from here and I learnt there is a whole lot more to it.  Medication on its own can fix the medical side of the problem - it fixes the imbalance.  But that is only part of the problem.

There are a number of factors that can help, starting with counselling.  I had a one-off session with the psychologist at the local community health centre and she answered a lot of questions and basically gave me the information I needed to understand "why me, why now".  Realistically one is nowhere near enough. 

My GP thinks it should be an ongoing program of 6-12 sessions to address the issues of how you react to stress, to look at your interpersonal relationships and improve negative thinking.

Changing old habits is very hard - whether it is giving up smoking or drinking or learning new diet or exercise routines - but I think the hardest habits to change are your mental ones.  Yet, if you can do it, it is the best gift you can give yourself.  It will make you stronger, healthier and more resilient.

For me, the best reason to do this is to help my children.  Not just for our relationship now, but to help stop them developing depression down the track.  The best way to do this is to give them the right tools to start with - good self esteem, positive thinking habits, helpful relationships and an understanding of how to help themselves when things get hard (as they will at some point).  To model and teach these things I have to create them in myself.

To be able to do this though you have to be in a position of strength - when depression has you in its grips you can't think beyond tomorrow or make decisions, let alone make huge changes.  For me that is where medication came in - it gave me that position I could start from.  Not everyone needs to go down that path and some will choose not to, depending on their circumstances.

There are other more practical things you can do to help yourself:

o Get support - from family and or friends - find people who will understand, care and nurture you - not criticise or tell you to get over it (!)
o Get counselling
o Make sure you get enough sleep and eat well - don't underestimate how much better that can make you feel
o Exercise - releases serotonin in the brain
o Plan simple things you enjoy
o Give yourself a regular routine to get you motivated to get out of bed
o Get outside - sunlight does huge things for your moods
o Ensure people contact - the simple impact of the human voice and eye contact, even when you don't want to be sociable, improves your situation dramatically.  If you are not feeling sociable, maybe ask someone to take you somewhere non-threatening where you don't have to make one-on-one contact but can at least just be around people.
o Avoid alcohol, drugs, gambling and nicotine
o Don’t take on any major stresses or decisions in these first few months
o Encourage yourself – remind yourself of the good things you have achieved today – however small

If I can go back to the quote I shared at the beginning, the same person finished by telling me:

“I forced myself to go out into the sunshine, and to make very small plans to do something each day.  My husband pushed me to exercise, which was good because I wouldn't have done it for myself.  Very quickly it wore off, and everything became bearable again. I don't think it was recognition that stopped the depression, I think the depression was lifting and that's why I recognised it. “

I hope this helps anyone who is struggling with this too.  Can I just encourage you that for most people, there is hope of recovery.  Treatment may last a while and some of us will suffer this illness multiple times, but for most people recovery is a very real option.  The more you can do to help your recovery the better.

And one last point, please don't feel ashamed.  The more open you are with your family and friends the better - not only can they offer you more support but perhaps we make it easier for the next person to recognise it and get the help they need.

 

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KirstieA
July 28th | KirstieA
Re: Post Natal Depression

I would like to thank you for sharing this information with us very interesting.  I did not suffer PND but my sister-in-law did it can be very severe.



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      kseers
July 30th | kseers
Re: Post Natal Depression

Thank you.  I hope it helped you in your understanding of what your sil went through. 



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joei
July 28th | joei
Re: Post Natal Depression

I have three children and I'm suffering from PND for the second time. The first time I blamed my work situation and basically refused to believe otherwise, the second time, now, I wasn't working and really had nothing else to blame. My third child is going is 3 and I am still trying to deal with things, I have a big hang up on taking medication but after reading this article I realise I am just going to have to face things and start and continue to take my "happy pills' as I call them. Thank you, you made me cry but now I realise I have to help myself to get things rolling.



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      kseers
July 30th | kseers
Re: Post Natal Depression

Thanks for that - I hope it was helpful.  Feel free to Minti mail me if you want!




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Robbity-Bob
July 27th | Robbity-Bob
Re: Post Natal Depression

 Hi. Rob here. My daughter had PND with her first child. The child also developed ADD. When the child was 6 years old I got to hear about glyco nutrients and began using them. We gave them to the child but her mother thought it was just some new fad and was not interested in using the programme herself. We supplied them for the girl and it made a vast change in her life. She was a different person altogether. 

We went away for a month when the girl had been on the programme for a year. We left sufficient for a couple of months but since her mother thought it was stupid anyway, she did not give her daughter the nutrition. In six weeks the child had started on the fast downhill run back into ADD and her teacher was to the point of asking that the child be removed from the class. My Wife convinced out daughter to put the child back onto the programme but to give her double for a week or so. WOW, what a change. The teacher was amazed.

My Daughter has had another child only this time we supplied the Glyco's for her for 6 months before the birth and she did not have PND, well, that is till she stopped using the programme herself. It took only a few weeks to show up. We urged her to go back onto the programme and the PND disappeared. Our Daughter recognises the value of the Glyco programme and she uses it always herself now.

You are probably asking how something like this has the capacity to help this problem. I will try to explain it in very simple terms. there are 8 specific Glyco nutrients that the body needs, must have to operate correctly. These are Glucose, Mannose, Xylose, Fucose (not fructose) Galactose, N-Acetyl-Glucosamine, N-Acetyl-Galactosamine and N-Acetyl-Neuraminic Acid.  Five of these are developed in mother's breast milk. To make them effectively, the body needs to get them from food but unfortunately, the way much of our fruit and vegetables are grown today, there is really only Glucose left in any reasonable quantity.

The body does have the capacity to manufacture the others from Glucose but it is a very energy demanding process and takes up to 37 enzymatic changes to make some of the other missing ones. If there is not sufficient enzymes (from fresh vegetables etc) to effect the proper process of conversion, the Glucose is used up but there is not the proper process of developing the required nutrients. When the Glucose is dramatically removed, the Mother will be depleted of her strength and that will tend towards depression. If it is already a genetic problem then the poor lady really has a massive uphill battle. We proved it really works so if you need further information and education on this point I am happy to pass it on. You can do yourself a massive favour.   Go and check out this web site.

www.livingsugars.com     on the top line of your browser, NOT in Google as there is a whole lot of other stuff that will come up and you have to try and decide which to read.   For further information, I can be contacted on

thisizrob@ozzienet.net     please do not expect to be bombarded with information because that does not work. A little information that explains how the body works and whatever you do, get the education FIRST, before you decide to do anything about it. Yours for a depression freed life.  There are some other things like food combinations that can also help to give a better quality of life.    Rob



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      kseers
July 30th | kseers
Re: Post Natal Depression

Thanks!  I'll look into that!



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letchies
July 22nd | letchies
Re: Post Natal Depression

After the birth of my 3rd (and last) child I wished my very active 18 month old son under a bus daily. I've no doubt I treated him in the most appalling manner - I wanted nothing to do with him and told his father to 'get the little&%$#@ of my sight' the moment his Dad got home every day. On the one hand I thought I was the worst mother in the world, and on the other I thought my son had been put on this earth specifically to torment me. Now 5, this little boy is an abslolute delight. He tells me daily that he loves me 'sooooo much' and we have a wonderful relationship. It brings tears to my eyes to think how much I thought I hated him. Thing is, although I thought I was well educated on the subject of PND, not once did I think I had it. Not once did anyone suggest to me that I might have had it (which might be because I was good at hiding it in front of others). I thank God daily that he has turned out so well, and pray that my son has no long-term ill effects from the way I acted toward him then.



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      kseers
July 23rd | kseers
Re: Post Natal Depression

It just goes to show it even affects those of us who think we "would know" - thanks for sharing your story.  So many mums with PND think they are bad mums and I've heard of mums saying "he'd be better with someone else", which is so sad, when it is something that can be fixed and helped and it doesn't have to be that way.



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           danidee
August 19th | danidee
Re: Post Natal Depression

I think i have pnd. My son is 3 in oct is it too long after birth for it. I am 21 and am feeling like he took way my childhood n feel like really id prefer not to  have him.Yet i do feel awful for feeling this way about him only i REALLY dont want to see a doctor or take medication. Me and my partner do nothing only argue and he works 12 hour days so is rarely here and i hate him for that but he says what can he do. My son  is at the age where he doesnt want to listen to me and  i get very mad and do often have to walk away in case i might hurt him yet i do realise i shouldn be feeling all this 

i have a job myself but have been avoiding going in was blaming tiredness and that i doin 5 peoples jobs and gettin paid pennys for it but something clicked and i thought mayb i have pnd is there anything i can do without doctor i have told my partner but feel like id just be better without him least if im single im not waitin on his help and i know i just have to deal with it alone.

My parents are very good they are seperated and often take my son for few days break and he loves them and loves going but even when he's gone i dont miss him and dread the day he coming back still all the while knowin that it awful to feel this way  i just want help without medication



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                kseers
August 20th | kseers
Re: Post Natal Depression

Hi! Thanks for leaving a comment.  It sounds like you need to see someone - if not a doctor do you have a community health centre where they may have a women's health nurse or mental health nurse?  It sounds like you need someone to help you through this.  Otehrwise, check out http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?  for information and advice.

The only other thing I have heard of is using St john's wort, which you can get through a chemist or health food store.

I hope you can find someone to help you soon, as it sounds like it may be affecting a lot of areas of your life and, I know from experience, that it doesn't have to be that way.  Getting help can make things imrpove quickly.



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mystikal
July 21st | mystikal
Re: Post Natal Depression

I always wondered whether you would be writing an advice piece on it after your discussion on Q&A, I remember your first quote too, it's very good isn't it? Thanks for sharing your story. I had PND but a fair few months after birth, luckily was able to catch it in it's early stages. It took about a week of not realising I was trying to avoid interaction with my son, it didn't even click to me until my partner sat me down and pointed it out. I cried and cried because I felt so stupid for not picking it up especially when I had read and learnt about it in my studies. I've seen PND at a very alarming level with my ex house mate. She would go to sleep and leave her son to wonder around the house alone at 10 months of age (I turned in to their full-time baby sitter), she wouldn't bath him for days at a time, she would forget to feed him or change his diaper, I ended up having to clean the poor kids bottles so he wouldn't get sick, she'd try to leave him in bed all day because she couldn't be bothered to deal with him and she would threaten to hit him. In the end I had to call children's services as she wouldn't go get help. I know it's not her fault but on the other side of things I also couldn't let her child suffer.



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      kseers
July 21st | kseers
Re: Post Natal Depression

Sadly it can be very serious.  There was a mum on the news recently who took her own life and that of her twin babies - and they blamed PND, it was a tragedy - and yet, so often easily preventable. 

I also saw a very interesting piece on Tv recently where a mum who had undiagnosed PND for almost a year tried with help to reconnect with her son - her baby would not make eye contact with her at all and yet as the treatment progressed he came to look at her and smile at her.  So, babies are very smart and know when we don't "feel love" for them - and yet it is not unfixable and with help and time the relationship could be more loving again.



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