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Tantrums – does ignoring and walking away work?

goldilox by goldilox Talking(September 2006) (rank 254th)

I don't believe that small children have the speed of mental calculation to be able to handle being ignored because of their tantrum. Let me explain.....

The child is throwing a tantrum because he feels frustrated for whatever reason, and, like a new baby's only method of communication is

crying, the small child's natural method of expressing frustration is the tantrum. He is not being "naughty", he is feeling highly frustrated (rightly or wrongly), and is expressing that frustration instinctively - as he hasn't yet mastered handling such an overwhelming emotion in a more positive manner.

If his parent walks away and ignores him, the feeling of abandonment will overshadow the learning of the lesson that "when I do this, mummy walks away, therefore I shouldn’t do this – then mummy wouldn’t walk away/ ignore me". It compounds the feeling of frustration in the moment, and the feeling of being left is very strong.

Better than ignoring....

However, if you set your child up a couple of times specifically for this lesson, you have the control, and the opportunity to help the child learn the lesson with compassion, care and support. He can learn the lesson, and still feel your love, sincerity and care. Because you have designed the occasion especially for the tantrum - you are fully prepared, and therefore won't feel frustrated at the inconvenience/ embarrassment/ time wasted etc. You can calmly and sympathetically follow through with the consequence you have set up. (i.e. skipping a treat or outing)

Plan ahead, and choose a place she is bound to throw a tantrum. Make sure there is something in it for her. For example, if it's grocery shopping - make sure she's going to get something out of it in the end. Then... tell her that if she throws a tantrum (it's vital you make sure she knows what this means - explain to her exactly what constitutes "throwing a tantrum"), you will leave and go home immediately - skipping whatever her treat was.

The most important points here are:

1. that she knows exactly what "throwing a tantrum" involves, and therefore knows exactly how she needs to behave, and what she mustn’t do.

2. that the treat or benefit is something that means a lot to her - whether it's an ice-cream or a trip to the park, whatever it is, it needs to be something she cares about at the time, and is looking forward to.

3. that you follow through calmly, without hesitation, but with sincere compassion. It's important that it is not dealt out as a punishment - say something along the lines of: "I'm sorry sweetie, but I did say that if you did that, we would have to go straight home, and unfortunately, you did it, so we do have to go straight home now. But never mind, maybe next time you'll be able to do better, and then you can have the ice-cream/ go to the ...."

I really believe that a lot of good can be done by being on her side. Be genuinely sorry that she has to go without whatever it is, and that you have to go home. Feel sorry for her, rather than angry or frustrated. This will have two powerful effects in particular:

1. No matter how upset and frustrated she feels, she will feel you are on her side, and that you care. She won't feel a power-struggle. 

2. It will help your own stress levels. You will feel calmer if you are just feeling sorry for her. Think of it as a trip to the dentist. It's unfortunate she has to go, but you do have to take her, and the best you can do is be sympathetic but still take her.

It's important you set it up so that you can leave the instant she throws her tantrum - regardless of whether you are finished shopping or not. Because you have set this up, you are expecting to leave, so do it when you don't reeeeeally need the shopping ; )

I believe you will only need to set this up a couple of times, and if you follow through without exception, and immediately, and with compassion and sympathy, it should work beautifully.

 

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exquisite-flower
October 5th | exquisite-flower
Re: Tantrums – does ignoring and walking away work?

You make some good points here. 

Peace
EF.x



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dolphins30
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | dolphins30
I agree
 i try to work with my daughter to see what is wrong with her when she has a tantrum, and try and work out why she's in this mood. Great advice too. i loved reading it


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rachelcook
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | rachelcook
Walking away...
Thanks for sharing your experiences...as Codi get older I am sure the walking away and ignoring trick changes to being able to talk a little bit or rationalise a bit as they get older...Codi is only 26 months and slowly able to communicate with words...but I was so sad to hear today in Western Australia a three year old was killed when being reprimanded for wetting the bed. The reprimand was more like a bashing...someone needs to provide information to educate some parents of ways to control their own anger and stop it becoming blind rage. Hopefully, we don't have to hear more of this, wouldn't it be great it there was a TV campaign on this like there is one for abuse on women?


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rachelcook
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | rachelcook
Solving tantrums...
When Codi has a tantrum, 9 on the hurricane ricker scale, it is only happening when for some reason I leave or his dad leaves (when he is normally okay with it), and my experience with Codi on these ocassions is like Jessgore's. I can't be anywhere near him...but I am so scared now to put him in his cott because today he tried to climb out and bang straight onto the floor. The worse thing is how more shaken I am. However, as I write this I will try one method that I had forgotten had kindof worked...let him lie on the floor on his back and gently try (try) and stroke his forehead...that worked in the past...I hope it works next time, because he is so uncontrollable...walking away helps me to keep calm, not get worried. If I don't walk away I try and calm him down which makes the matters worse..I think now, I need to realize that with tantrums I can't solve (make daddy magically appear), it will be a 15-30min adventure and to walk away, but stay close enough so he can see me (likes to make sure I know he's upset)...my hubby suggested I put the ipod on...maybe I will put one head phone in on ear that he cant see (so he doesnt get more upset) and turn the ipod on (as I really cant bear him being so uncontrollably upset)...you just want to cry with them or yell at them to stop, which never works :)

This is tougher than any thing I have ever encountered, because I hate conflict or seeing another (especially a little one) soooo upset...I am so grateful to have read everything on Minti and feel a little better and think about other ways to handle these events!!!


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rkcrtbrown
4.38 (Good) | October 2006 | rkcrtbrown
Tantrums
I think that you should do what works for your child. When my daughter throws a tantrum, we walk away and ignore it. After a minute or so, i ask her if she wants a hug. She is finished by then. She always takes the hug and it is over. I personally think that if you give them attention during the tantrum that you are feeding that behaviour. Let it blow over. It is usually over something she wants and she can't have. It is sometimes when she is due for her nap. If we are in public, i pick her up and take her to the car until she calms down.


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      peachynowamum
4.38 (Good) | October 2006 | peachynowamum
Tantrums
couldnt agree with you more so many kids do it for attention or to get what they want! so y feed it


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Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2006 | Jessgore
Tantrum solving...
I understand and agree to a point. Unfortunatly my son I don't think will...   I do the walk away thing because my son throws himself about. He is yet to do this in public thank god, but when he throws a tantrum I can't hold him or even touch him. If I hold him I risk losing teeth, (head butts) if I go to touch him he will literally pull away and usually loses ballance and hit himself on the floor. I found for me that walking away and ignoring it works... I don't believe it works for every one,but to avoid a dentist bill and hosptial bills and questions on where the bruses come from (I hate for him to pull away and fall and hit his head) this is what I do.  I tried other ways but notice that if I say to him while in the middle of a tantrum "I will talk to you when you calm down!" His tantrum does not last long and are becoming less frequent.... When he sees I am not watching he will usually come up to me and we can figure out the problem. He is still to young to really talk but I can see and feel that he understands..     I know this won't work for every one..   


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peachynowamum
4.00 (Good) | September 2006 | peachynowamum
tantrum solving
Although I agree that children do need respect I also believe that if they do throw a tantrum walking away is the best thing on the other hand my mother said if I wanted to cry and scream then she would give me something to try and scream about. (Open hand against the backside lol) She only had to do it a couple of times and i never threw a tantrum after that!!!! And you know what I respect her for it. I believe i am a better person because of it. Thanx mum if you read this!!!!


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      goldilox
3.38 (Average) | October 2006 | goldilox
tantrum solving

Yes, I have heard that phrase so often "I'll give you something to cry about" - to my mind it is one of the harshest things a parent can say. I believe children need to be understood and guided, not controlled. But, of course, parents naturally tend to use the same or similar methods of raising their children, as the ones their parents used. This is understandable as they have no other information or example - until of course, a wonderful medium like this forum comes along, as well as the excellent books one can access on alternative methods and ideas. I admire all members of Minti for, not only contributing and wanting to help others, but also for searching for alternative ways and methods for themselves, that suit themselves and their children better. 

I have also often heard people say "Well I was spanked, and there's nothing wrong with me!" I've always found this phrase very very interesting. I have always wondered what they mean by "nothing". I wonder if they're living the life they want to live - with financial security, with positive and supportive relationships, in a career they enjoy and are successful in. I wonder if they spend most of their time feeling good - about themselves and others. I wonder if they handle stress and challenges effectively.

peachynowamum, I'm curious to know in what way you believe you are a "better person" for having been spanked for throwing a tantrum?

I wonder all of this because, few people seem to be aware that spanking (even an "open hand against the backside") is an emotional and mental punishment - not so much physical. As I detail in my post "To Spank or not to Spank - it isn't a question", the effects of any kind of physical punishment (including "an open hand against the backside") can have a knock-on, long-term effect on the finances, relationships, career, and many other aspects of the life of the adult that child will become.

A "open hand against the backside" may stop the tantrum at the time. It may even prevent further tantrums, but, in my mind, the cost is too high. I prefer to use the method I describe above because it still gets the job done, but it has the advantage of protecting the child's self-esteem, feelings of security, and strengthens the bond between the parent and the child. 

 



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           JadieLady
November 2006 | JadieLady
tantrum solving

"I wonder if they're living the life they want to live - with financial security, with positive and supportive relationships, in a career they enjoy and are successful in. I wonder if they spend most of their time feeling good - about themselves and others. I wonder if they handle stress and challenges effectively."

 Look, those are rather material things don't you think?  If we all had a roof over our heads, food in our fridge, some clothes in a cupboard, heck, we have more greatness in our life than millions all over the world! That is where all the best things in life are. simple things. Having a family that lvoes you is the most important, you have  that and the bare neccessities an dyour set for life. Who gives a darn about having a successful career when they have an awesome family that makes them truly happy?

THOSE are the things that count in life. In the big picture, what does it matter if you don't hand;e stress and challenges as well as other 'well-adjusted' i guess is the word to use, people in the world. Do you think your children care that someone THINKS they are mentally better off than you, because their parents didnt smack them on the backside when they misbehaved?

Maybe we shoudl all start focussing on the tihngs that REALLY matter instead of other material things that will bring us no joy come the end of our time.



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           peachynowamum
4.00 (Good) | October 2006 | peachynowamum
tantrum solving
i do understand where your coming from Put it this way I love life cant get enough of the outdoors in fact i always look for the positive in everything. I am 21 got married 9 mnth before falling pregnant. so i do have old fashioned values marriage then kids and i believe family comes first and financialy stable as i have been taught the value of a dollar ( my mum is a financial counsellor and an accountant). I do think ur advice is realy valuable. I suppose i forgot to mention that after punishing us kids a little while later (not staight away because she felt it be like rewarding us otherwise) She gave us a hug explained a second time why she did it oh yeah and she always seamed to use the phrase it hurt me more than it hurt you lol (though i could never figurre that one out... my but was sore)


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                peachynowamum
4.00 (Good) | October 2006 | peachynowamum
tantrum solving
oh yeah and she always said she it out of love


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busyasabee
4.65 (Excellent) | September 2006 | busyasabee
tantrum solving
I agree. Children do not throw tantrums because they are bad. It's because of the completely lack of control they have. If you or I were going somewhere with a friend, we want to know where we are going. Giving your child a little respect doesn't spoil them. It helps them.  I like your ideas.


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      jenlemen
November 2006 | jenlemen
tantrum solving
this sums up my point of view on this--i really, really don't think kids throw tantrums because they're bad either.


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