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Destructive and Cruel behaviour

wombat68 by wombat68 Young Parent(April 2006) (rank 25th)

Children that behave destructively or violently need to learn other behavioural strategies to manage their jelousy and anger.  They need to learn that there are alternatives to physical expressions of anger.  That they will be listened to and respected if they express themselves, explain what is making them angry. 

What is important is perhaps to reexamine your own ways of dealing with anger and frustration.  You must be a good role model.  That is why I am dead against spanking young children, especially children that are violent and disobedient.  It is only reconfirming that when you feel powerless, you should strike out.

This gets me back to an anlaysis I would like to offer for the behaviour.  Children often feel powerless, that everyone is controlling their lives, that they don't have a say in things, that they are not being listened to about their needs, that other siblings are better, getting more attention, etc..  It would be useful to analyse his behaviour to whether there are patterns.  In what situations does he exhibit the behaviour?  What are the events immediately before the behaviour (the triggers)?

Secondly, you have to decide on a couple of strategies you would like to teach your child so that he can manage his jealousy and anger.  That includes positive things like talking to an adult about his needs, what he wants, how he is feeling.  Talk to him about feeling angry, when he feels angry, what makes him angry.  Reward him when he expresses his needs, talks about his feelings.  On the negative side, you have to work out a method of punishing him for agressive behaviour and apply it immediately and consistently.  And I don't think spanking is a good idea at all. (It tends to spiral out of control, where you start with one, then three, then five--before you know it, he doesn't even care, and he has developed a pattern in his head that you should be violent with people that do something bad or what you don't like). 

One strategy that is often useful is using a simple monetary system.  If a child is polite, expresses his needs rather than lashing out, does not behave destructively--then he receives a small amount of money (keep the amount small).  Give him his own wallet and get him to put the money in a wallet.  Don't let his siblings near it.  When he behaves badly, you remove a fixed amount, of course after a warning.  Remember that he can't keep a score for much longer than a morning of a day.  Every day is a new day.  You can't carry over a negative score from the day before.  Tell him that he can use the money at the end of a month to buy a toy that he would like.

Introduce him to the system and keep the rules very simple.  It's a game.  Give him the wallet and make something out of giving him an initial deposit.  It's a little gift to him cause you love him and he's a good boy.  Then explain that you would like him to tell you when he is feeling angry and wants to hit someone or damage something..... IF he does that, you will reward him with a coin. "   IF by the end of a day, he has not behaved violently or destructively, then you reward him with a coin.  Llet him put the money in the wallet.  Explain also that if he hits someone or damages something, then you will take a coin from him and that he will not receive his coin for good behaviour.

Try that.

Consider also the following: As children get older, parents must be adjusting the level of control and authority they give to their children and learn to show respect for their child's boundaries and personal authority.  Spanking and yelling are abuses of power and are disrepectful of the child's boundaries, it's a form of abuse.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not saying that you can't react emotionally to your child's behaviour and be upset, disappointed, and angry.  The only problem is that children have only a limited ability to relate to other people's emotions, particularly parents' emotions.  They only see actions as behaviour, actions and reactions.  Nor do they have any complex understanding of consequences. It is important that children develop boundaries and self-determination, as it helps them enormously as teenagers and adults.  So remember to repsect his right to control parts of his life, to have a say in things, to be listened to.

Good luck!

 

Wombat

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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: Destructive and Cruel behaviour
You know, the question of whether to discipline by physical means - slapping, smacking, spanking etc has been raised a few times lately.  I am not judging anybody who chooses to use these means of discipline, however these are some questions that have been going round and round in my head today...

1.   At what age do people decide it is ok to do this to their infant/child?
2.   At what age would they cease doing this to their child/teenager?
3.   How would they feel if somebody else disciplined their child in this manner?
4.   Do they consider that if they did the same to their spouse - that it would be domestic violence?
5.   What if they did it to someone outside the family - then it would be assault?
6.   Have they tried alternative forms of discipline?
7.   Don't they worry that their children will fear them - not respect them?
8.   When does spanking change from strict discipline to abuse?
9.   How successful is this form of punishment - does the child learn a lesson from what they did wrong - or do  they only remember the punishment?
10. What gives us the right to inflict pain on our offspring, when it would be illegal to do it to anyone else?
11. Why would we want to inflict pain on our own children, when we have so many alternatives available?
12. What kind of example is being provided to them, by using corporal punishment - what have they learned?

These are the simple questions - I have more complex ones, however these are things I just couldn't comprehend... I am putting this everywhere now - I challenge someone to provide me with intelligent answers, that explain why physical punishment is better than reasoning with and teaching your child better, safer, more acceptable ways to do things.


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elizabeth
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2006 | elizabeth
Destructive and cruel behaviour

I agree with most of the things you had to say here.

My son is almost three and he is only just acquiring the verbal skills to express what he is feeling or experiencing. There is no violence or destructive behaviour in my household. In the past, my son has just lashed out by hitting because for some reason, it was a behaviour that came naturally to him. Now that he is able to express himself, the frequency of hitting is becoming less. I agree with you on the spanking issue, violence breeds violence, in most cases. I agree with the reward system aswell, however, I believe in our society we place far too much emphasis on Money. In some families, using money as a reward is not an option, not even five cents. I think it is far better to reward good behaviour with good quality time between the parents/siblings and the child in question. Bad behaviour, then the child in question should be excluded from any activities with the parents/siblings.

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Anonymous Member
3.05 (Average) | April 2006 | anonymous  
Spanking can be useful
I think spanking e.g. with a wooden spoon is a useful tool when used sensibly. That is as a last resort consequence for an innappropriate behaviour. Sure reward systems are preferred, however, kids must understand that there are harsh realities we must deal with in life depending on the choices we make. Once a child works out that you are serious with a punishment, very often it's not needed again.

Better to start young with something relatively harmless as a consequence than shelter the kids and let them face the law or worse have them harm someone e.g. with alcohol or drugs.

Of course spanking in anger is wrong, potentially abusive and does set the wrong example re use of violence.


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      wombat68
3.31 (Average) | April 2006 | wombat68
Re: Spanking can be useful
I don't think I've ever seen a parent spank a child when they weren't angry or feeling powerless-- I mean the parents. They are bad circumstances, full of irrational emotional responses to use physcial violence. Having learn't to discipline children properly using both negative and positive reinforcement, I haven't needed it. The main disciplinary tool is social rejection, e.g. timeouts. However, this will not work if the child doesn't feel included more often than they feel not included.

I have highly disciplined children that understand lots of realities and consequences. And are very well behaved and perform extremely good at school. But they have never been spanked once, not once.

Maybe you should learn some patience and build up your own assertiveness and self-esteem, before you take it out on your children.


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           Anonymous Member
1.00 (Very Poor) | June 2006 | anonymous  
Re: Spanking can be useful

I'm a kid, and when I was younger my mom did use spanking as a method of discipline. She /never/ did it when she was angry, and I'm one-hundred percent sure she wasn't feeling powerless, either. She'd always talk to me, tell me she was going to go think, and she wanted me to think, too. After she had calmed down, she would come back, we would discuss what happened, and how I thought I should be punished. She'd ultimately choose, and sometime it was a spanking. I was a well-behaved child that understood a lot of realities and consequences, too, and I excelled at school. I'm doing well, Mommy and I have a fabulous relationship, and I don't get into trouble.

I'm not arguing for or against spanking, I'm just pointing out you're making a lot of generalisations. There's more than one way to raise a child, and I think as long as your heart's in the right place: you're doing the whole parenting thing just fine. To Mom: you did wonderfully, and I wouldn't choose another, spankings or not, to raise me if I had to grow up all over again.



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           ClayCook
3.96 (Good) | April 2006 | ClayCook
Re: Spanking can be useful
Wombat68: You obviously have strong opinions on this topic and are free to express them here at Minti.

However, I must say that I think you are over generalizing here and assuming you have experienced the exact same scenario when you state "Maybe you should learn some patience and build up your own assertiveness and self-esteem, before you take it out on your children.". This may well be the case, however it also may not be the case due to unknown circumstances etc...


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                wombat68
4.53 (Excellent) | April 2006 | wombat68
Re: Spanking can be useful
I agree, Clay! That was taking things too far. However, I think that children's rights have to be protected. My point was that I think parenting is much more about what we do as parents, than about children and what they do to us. I believe strongly that we sow what we reap as parents, and though that might be a tough responsibility, we need to look at outselves first, then our children. 90 percent of the things we don't like in our kids can be traced back to our own behaviour and the home environment.


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                     ClayCook
4.19 (Good) | April 2006 | ClayCook
Re: Spanking can be useful
couldnt agree more :)


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