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Chronic Constipation.

Chrysalis by Chrysalis Young Parent(November 2006) (rank 23rd)
Okay- this is long and detailed and it deals with poop. If you dont have a concern in this area it will probably not hold your attention -it will also be totally irrelevant to you

If you are dealing with this issue then I hope there is something
here to help you as this is not something that is fixed overnight. Please be assured this is not an uncommon problem but people do not like to talk about it.

I have three children, two of them had no problems with toileting  and potty training and so on. The other one - well perhaps we tried to potty train too early- perhaps he is just contrary, but he didnt like the potty, was scared of the toilet and would hold on until he pooped his pants more often than not.

I didnt realise it was happening but thanks to all this - he developed chronic constipation. (Encopresis)

Almost from the time of toilet training he would soil his pants regularly- not necessarily a lot but it was often.

I tried to take him to the doctor but he was scared of that too (and hid under the chair), they assured me everything would be fine and he would 'grow out of it'.

He didn't grow out of it. He would have dirty pants most days. So i researched on the 'net and discovered that most likely he was in fact suffering from chronic constipation. This seemed odd as the problem was dirty pants- not lack of poop!

Now- if your child is going through this do not hesitate- get them to a doctor - dont wait for them to 'grow out of it- its a lot of dirty pants.

I am NOT offering an alternative to medical advice and your childs condition may not be the same as mine.

However I would like to share what I learned- some of the program I developed myself to help my child and then later what was suggested by the paediatrician.
Maybe there will be something in this to assist others with this distressing restrictive and long term condition.

Firstly when long term constipation occurs it causes the bowel to stretch and form a 'pocket' the waste then balls up in this area- forming a plug and encouraging more back up. The frequent soiling which then occurs is in fact the 'new' soft movement being squeezed past this hard blockage.
The plug often causes stomach pain as well.

I was very worried that there was something wrong with my sons sphincter muscle and he was unable to 'hold the poo in'. Researching on the web I found out about the 'anal wink'. This is a simple technique to discover if the muscles are in fact intact (and was later also carried out by a paediatrician - who confirmed that all was fine.) All you do - is have the child lie quiet- and then with a small safe object (eg a cotton bud) lightly touch the skin right beside the anus. If all is anatomically correct- the anus will 'wink' (the muscle will contract and then relax). Your doctor will be able to check this for you- so ask for this specifically if it is a concern.

So ; moving on from there it was logical to assume constipation and work with that.
The ingredients to deal with this are

  1. water
  2. fruit juice
  3. high fibre diet
  4. laxative of some type
  5. encourage lots of toilet sitting (maybe girls have less problems due to the fact that they sit regardless)
  6. Enema if necessary (please note- there are little mini enemas available at the chemist - they are like little plastic tubes which you break the end off - THESE ARE NOT SUITABLE _ THEY WILL NOT CLEAR THE PLUG. A saline enema (1.5 tsps salt to 500ml warm water; boiled water that has cooled) is necessary- please get advice from your chemist.

Unfortunately we found that my sons favourite foods were not helping- quite the contrary!
Namely (THINGS TO AVOID)
  • Peanut butter
  • Cheese
  • Banana
  • White bread

I wrote out a program based on what I had learned and totally changed his diet. There were diet and toilet items 5 times a day. I will share these details at the end combined with the information we later received from the paediatrician.

We had a lot of success but not completely better. Unfortunately at this point I lost faith in what I was doing and began to worry that there was a more serious physical problem so slowly I let it slide and things got worse. He developed frequent sore tummy problems and was grumpy. His pants were dirty often (sometimes we went through 4 pairs a day.) Obviously he couldnt go for sleepovers and just visiting a friend was a real worry. (it is a rather smelly problem)

At this point we secured an appointment with a paediatrician.

He confirmed that the muscles were fine and that there was indeed a large 'poo plug'.

He explained that we needed to clear the plug before starting a high fibre diet.
I will not go into details of this as it must be done under medical supervision and advice using laxatives and/or enemas. If it is not done properly it can be harmful or at least ineffective. The dose of the laxative will depend on the age and weight of the child and the severity and length of time the problem had been present. It is not correct to just buy a laxative and administer it- this is a problem which requires professional advice. The enema should be a saline one (you mix it yourself).

From there you need
  • lots of water- we have 4 glasses on the 'program'
  • apple or orange juice - 2 glasses a day
  • anzac biscuits (or similar high fibre)
  • fruit
  • multigrain or high fibre bread (we use Wonder gold)
  • Whole grain cereal (we go for Weet-bix)
  • vegetables (he WONT eat them so we use V8 juice - one or two glasses a day)
Summary of the program (AFTER the poo plug is cleared)
Sit on toilet 4x a day
4 to 5 drinks of water
Fruit and vegie juice
2 serves of fruit
High fibre bread
saline enema in the evening if necessary
laxative at bedtime/

Our paediatrician explained that in our case the laxatives would need to be continued for a prolonged period of time (6 months) as the problem was so long standing and the bowel needed time to return to a normal shape. You must have advice on this as every case will be different, it is important to use the right laxative too- we use a very low dose of a gentle senna based one.
Just one warning though- if you use a laxative drink some of these need to be taken at least 2 hours before bedtime. Otherwise there could be problems with reflux of the liquid and some entering the lungs which is very dangerous. We use a small tablet.

I hope there is some hope and assistance for you in this advice if you are going through this with your own child. Please be assured this will eventually pass- but it is a very slow and long term process.
Good luck
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marc71
March 2007 | marc71
Soiling problem
My son is almost 5yrs (in three days to be exact) and he has just started having problems with soiling his pants in the last few weeks.  He has always been very good at going to the toilet so it is quite distressing for me to see him go backwards.  After reading a little bit about encompresis I am feeling a little better but am still worried about him.  Is there anyway we can get over this without laxatives etc or should I take him to the doctor immediately.  In hindsight when I look back over the last few months, I did notice that he always seemed to have "skiddys" in his pants and he also always did huge stools, so I guess it has been present for longer than I thought.  Any suggestions will be welcomed.


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denkat1
4.43 (Good) | November 2006 | denkat1
Poo Problems

We had issues in this area too.. but they were psycological not physical..

when my daughter was little,  (a few months after toilet training) she just decided she wasn't going to poo...It was a few days before I realized that she hadn't been.. I went back to putting her on the potty so I could keep up with what was happening (or not happening as the case was...)

Pooing became a huge issue and every three days or so I'd make her sit on the potty.. she'd quite happily sit there all day but do nothing...

The doctor told us this was also a common problem... She wasn't constipated but it must have hurt at some stage so she decided she didn't need to go..There were times you could see her fighting so hard to keep it in when she really needed to go..

I ended up taking her to a child psycologist but nothing really helped...

in the end it was just patience... putting her on the potty after meals, ecouraging a natural routine, a high fibre diet and lots of praise when she finally went..

All in all it took about 2 years before things became Natural again... we went through parachoc like it was going out of fashion, just to keep things really loose

She is 11 now and things are fine although I still keep a bottle of parachoc.. just in case



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      appleblue
April 2007 | appleblue
Poo Problems

We have exactly the same problem as this at the moment, and the doctor and health visitor seem to have little idea what to do about it.  My son will be 3 in 2 months and was potty trained 5 months ago.  He was ok with weeing, but was always reluctant to do a poo, sometimes doing it in his pants, but mostly just not doing it at all.

He has now got a "special" way to sit to stop the poo coming out and gets down on all fours to enable him to make the huge effort required to keep the poo in.  I kept his pants off the other morning to see if it would encourage him to let go and saw him physically suck the poo back in after it had managed to come out a bit.

The doc advised lactulose, but my son, after 2 days could hold on through the maximum dose.  I was given senna as well, but this didn't help either.  One doc told me to give him 3 spoons of lactulose and 1 of senna daily, but this seems a lot of laxative for a 3 yr old, and when he does get a bit of poo out it is never hard, just what I would say was a normal consistency.

We have to shower him 5 or 6 times a day because his bottom is now so sore he hates to be wiped.  We go through on average 5 pairs of pants a day, but we have had at least 10 pants changes on many days.  We can't easily go out anywhere because of ths problem, as he will demand to go to a toilet every 15 minutes saying he needs to let his poo out, but then will not do anything!  I have to use loads of nappy rash cream everyday on his poor sore bottom.

What is so frustrating is that he is a very advanced child - he has asked me why he does a poo and what it is!  I told him to see if it might help, but it didn't!  I think it is a control issue, as I cannot recall a time when he had a bad experience with pooing to start this cycle he is now in.

It is nice to find someone else with the same problem, as no-one else I know has any problems in this area.  I'm going to try the potty at set times - I am already trying to improve his diet, but he has always drunk plenty of water, and has never eaten any fruit, although he will eat some veggies... and I will try to keep patient  :)  Baby number 2 is due at the beginning of June and who knows what effect that will have on this problem!



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Primal-Fire
November 2006 | Primal-Fire
Ahh me hearties
You certainly thought about that one didn't you my dear.


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wildrose
November 2006 | wildrose
Water and fiber
we never had chronic constipation, but I've read some articles about constipation. Basically we all need good healthy diet with lots of drinking water and eat lots of fiber foods (fruits, whole meal cereal or pouridge, etc). Good routine fiber breakfast (weet bix or wholemeal toast, etc) also recommended. Thanks for sharing this articles. Well done.


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mrsbrown4701
November 2006 | mrsbrown4701
I just had to put this badge in here......


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      Chrysalis
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Chrysalis
Thank you ROFL
it is ridiculously appropriate


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julielf
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | julielf
Too true
It's late at night and I just skimmed over this but my neice had to spend a few days in hospital when she was about 13 because of this and they had to retrain her to go to the toilet!!  It is a serious thing and not uncommon.


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      Chrysalis
November 2006 | Chrysalis
Oh my goodness!
The poor girl . Gosh I hope this is cleared up for us before then- DS is 8 and I thought this was bad !


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Frontier
November 2006 | Frontier
Certainly an Eye Opener
We are lucky not to have had this problem. Sounds like a real worry before you knew what was the problem. A lot of patience and caring attititude would have called apon as well.
Oh, and well formatted advice .


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      Chrysalis
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Chrysalis
Certainly an Eye Opener
Yes- did you notice the judicious use of bold text - oh and appropriate application of space of course. :-p

Oh yeah....... patience by the bucketload - sometimes it wore out and then id feel very very bad but id always apologise if i got snappy.

Now I am pretty used to it and its generally  under control now- although not over yet ;-)


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