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I dont want to EAT the little Animals MUM!!!!

Chrysalis by Chrysalis Young Parent(November 2006) (rank 63rd)
Do you remember.....
Can you remember how you felt when you found out that bacon and sausages and meat pies and other yummy treats were in fact the nice cows and sheep and pigs. The same ones that we cuddle at the animal nursery at the show and that
feature so strongly as cute adorable characters on children's stories?
I can remember. I don't know how old I was but I know I was upset.  I couldn't believe it! All those neat packages in the supermarket were ANIMALS!!!!!!

My Mum felt it best to shield me while I was very young from the 'awful truth' (meat is animals) and she is by no means unusual - It is a common decision.

I firmly and calmly let my kids know from day one that meat was from animals and that many people do eat meat- just like lions and tigers do. No nasty surprises- no 'right or wrong'- just the facts.

I have had several mothers genuinely shocked that I let little ones know what they are eating and I have watched them carefully hide the truth from their own brood.

Which way do you lean yourself- and why?

Honesty

Personally I think it is better to be open and honest and give children the facts - not just about meat but about various issues (religion, where babies come from ,mortality, danger). I dont suggest piling too much information onto a child at once of course- but gradually as they are ready  or ask questions building their understanding.
(This is from someone whose youngest is all excited because Santa comes next month....and who employed the tooth fairy as a mentor ;-)

I dont feel resentful or believe Mum was wrong for making the choice to shield me when I was very young. I was a very sensitive child and maybe I was better off in my ignorant bliss. However I do know it was very distressing when I did find out (I also bawled my eyes out when I found out Santa wasnt real- I had lost a hero).

So is it better to be honest and straightforward from the start and let kids know the way things are? Or is it better to create a warm fuzzy fantasy land for our tinies?

Opinions will always be divided on this one, and there is no black and white answer. Obviously I myself walk a middle road - on one hand presenting reality of everyday life and on the other embellishing with fairies and Santa and the Easter bunny.

Our daughter was born in the suburbs or Melbourne by the way ; but we lived on a farm from the time our daughter was three until she was 10. Both our boys were born while we were farming. Other friends who were also farmers chose to hide the truth from their kids. So where we lived and our occupation had no bearing on the decision to come clean about meat

So what happened?
So how did my choice of presenting the facts about meat affect my children?

All three were unfazed until about 4 or 5. They didnt really seem to believe that those little plastic packets of red stuff were cute farm animals anyway or they would giggle "Im eating a pig" as they nibbled on a piece of bacon. Quite frankly I dont think it would make much difference whether they knew the truth or not at this age!

However between 4 and 5 (the kindergarten/ first year of school) all three  suddenly "realised".
Im not sure if there is a gaining of maturity at this age which enables them to finally make the connection and perhaps feel compassion and an understanding for the process which has turned a living animal into a meal.

My daughter at four- stated firmly that she was now a vegetarian. We have several vegetarian friends and I often go through 'vege phases' of months or even years.
I explained that that was fine by me but that she would have to eat lots of fruit, vegetables, beans, cereals and so on for her body to grow properly. I told her if she was serious we would get  advice on proper nutrition for her. She was and we did.
I think she stuck at it for 3 months. Eventually she asked for a pie for her lunch order at school. I agreed and gently reminded her that this was made of a cow. She nodded "Yes I know but I am going to eat some meat."

Now she eats a wide range of foods although she has maintained a compassionate caring nature towards other living creatures.

The middle child made the same statement but as he hates vegetables his Vegetarianism lasted one day. He occasionally expresses sadness that we eat meat and fish but consoles himself that so do bears, dogs, cats etc.

The youngest was a little more subtle - he was suddenly "not hungry" or "felt sick" or "had tummy pains", when presented with his favourite meal of roast chicken or sausages. On careful investigation he eventually blurted out tearfully "I dont want to eat the little animals Mum!"

Whats best?
In conclusion I dont think it matters whether they know from the start or not ; if they are going to protest they will at some stage. Its up to you to decide what suits you best and when and how you will phase in the truth if you decide not to tell from the start. I would strongly advise against telling them it comes from somewhere else though ("sausages come from the sausage tree" is just going to confuse them. "Meat comes from the Butchers" may be enough to start off with though).

I am happy and comfortable with the fact that meat was never a mystery but others who make the opposite choice are just as positive about it.
All three of my children 'protested' at the 4 to 5 age and all of them now comfortably eat meat.

Some children are not fazed at all and may barely comment, a few will be extremely distressed and the rest fall somewhere in the middle.
How it is handled from there when it does come to the point of 'realisation' is a matter for careful consideration.

  • If you decide to allow a vegetarian choice- research Nutrition- get advice.
  • Be respectful of their feelings. (instead of 'thats just silly" perhaps "I understand that you feel sad- and thats normal but our bodies need protein to grow.Lots of animals need to eat meat.)
  • Praise them for their compassion
  • Normalise their feelings (its ok to feel that way- im glad you told me)
  • Try not to force the issue- esp if they are upset (demanding "You MUST eat your meat" may not be the best response". Talk about alternatives or about other meat eaters and be gentle but firm.)
A child acknowledging these feelings about eating meat is growing in awareness and ability to feel for others. It is a positive thing and if handled gently, hopefully will not create too many difficulties. Perhaps you could direct these emotions towards caring for animals through a "pointful gift" (sponsoring an endangered species through WWF for instance.)

Good luck
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sandra106
August 24th | sandra106
Re: I dont want to EAT the little Animals MUM!!!!

I think it is much easier when they are not pets we have cattle and have always sent them to the meat works but never eaten any of our own we found that easier.However when you have a large farm this is just a way of life that children usually accept.



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Jeffs-Mamma
July 31st | Jeffs-Mamma
Re: I dont want to EAT the little Animals MUM!!!!

I will definantly be telling my son the truth after reading this, I hadnt even given it a thought before now! thanks, this is really good advice.



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OzBinky
January 2007 | OzBinky
I don't eat my mates!!
My eldest son was realistic or factual over where meat came from and seemed to approach his opinion on his own. We are apart of the animal kingdom, a lot of animals hunt and eat meat and so be it!

My daughter on the other hand, wowzer! Nope, she thought we were barbaric, she would not have any part in it. Until one night she was quite offensive to guests and I ended up having to be blunt back. She didn't want to be a part of eating any animals or parts of, so I told her what she needed to give up. Milk, cheese, eggs and so on. After about a week of her not eating anything to do with animals she gave up the idea on her own. I did say that she could just give up meat, but she secretly did enjoy a good steak.

My other two didn't seem to be worried about the subject, pretty much had the same idea as what Luke did.

However, if it had of been a pet....well that would be another story.....I for one couldn't eat a pet or something I have named and I doubt my children could. I remember when my father raised chickens, I had a name for every one. I came home from school one day to see Jenny Chicken getting ready for night in the oven....that broke me apart.....I refused to eat my mate, I refused to talk to my Daddy  and I didn't want anything to do with my family for a whole night......

and on that note, I am going to throw myself on my bed and cry the 7 year old out of me once again.....


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Nontoxic
3.00 (Average) | December 2006 | Nontoxic
Vegetarian
I have found with My kids that it makes no difference if they know what Meat is or not. All 3 of my kids ate what they were given as babies and now that they are older they choose to dislike some things. My eldest Doesn't LOVE meat but eats Vegies, My youngest Loves Meat and won't eat vegies and My middle one will eat Both.  A good balanced diet is the best all round and for Me that includes meat, fish, vegies, grains, dairy, the food pyramid!!!!!!


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HOTMAMA
3.75 (Good) | December 2006 | HOTMAMA
Eating Pets
We raise sheep, I dont eat them and I dont make my kids eat them, we have chickens and we eat the eggs but not the mamas!  I wont feed my kids one of their "pets" . We do go deer hunting and hog hunting every year and my children and I eat that.  I just think it is wrong to eat something you name.  Just my opinion, thats all.


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      michellei
January 2007 | michellei
Eating Pets
I agree with you on that one.
If we had animals then we would go the same.


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ShellyTape
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | ShellyTape
Eating meat etc
My child isn't old enough yet to understand where meat come's from yet, but i will also be letting her know where about's it come's from. Honesty is the best policy i think.....Great article you have written. Taken down alot of great hints and tips......


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darkpsy
2.09 (Poor) | November 2006 | darkpsy
Worked on my son
Something similar was going on with my son when he was little.  He would never eat turkey at Thanksgiving, so we always told him it was chicken, then he just chowed down and kept eating it!


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michellei
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | michellei
I dont want to EAT the little Animals MUM!!!!
My hubby is a butcher and I've worked in the meat industry myself.
When we were without Olivia we would always say ' look at those chops & steak' (lambs and cows) most of our friends were horified we thought it was normal.
Miss Cheeky Chops will just have to put up with our bad sense of humor, we won't be sugar coating it for her.  She also visits her dad once a week at his shop, so I guess when she is old enough she will ask about the cacasses.


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      cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | cheleinkal
I dont want to EAT the little Animals MUM!!!!
Yeah, we had bucket fed calves called, "Topside" and "Steakey", it was funny not shocking.  I think you learn from the reaction of your parents a lot of the time.

A friend of mine had raised a Pig but when it was fully grown it kept breaking out of her yard & she couldn't keep it any longer,she sold it to dad & understood it would be slaughtered eventually.  One day she asked how her pig was and I said yummy thanks...I thought dad had told her it had been butchered as she was to get some of it.  She burst into tears & I felt awful, but I was genuinely mis understanding her question..........we look back and laugh about it now, 10 years later. hehe sigh.


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           blackwidowkate
3.63 (Good) | December 2006 | blackwidowkate
I dont want to EAT the little Animals MUM!!!!
Hi,
We called our pig little pig....the kids had a ball raising it getting rides and everything
It was just like a family pet and when we finally took it to the butchers to be prepared we were all a little upset and when it came back the first mouthful was hard......the second and subsequent weren't they were delicious....yummmmm
Kids soon asked when are we getting another one mum....we got a sheep next and it was yummy too...
The kids were able to have the fun of raising a baby animal every 6-12 months and never got bored as they do with a dog once it is no longer a puppy.  
And we got returns unlike when a dog goes bad and you have to have it put down....
Luv Deb


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kseers
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | kseers
A Fine Balance
I try to always be honest and give factual answers, but it is so important to give them facts at their level.  I remember being terrified of things as a child because I had limited information.  If you are going to be honest try and work out what they can understand and how they will interpret what you tell them - and always  have them communicate back to you.

That said I have made a decision to keep fantasy alive and to nourish his imagination.  Many of my friends are going the non Santa line and last year we were unsure what to do.  However this year we are going all-out - so long as he knows the real reason we celebrate Christmas.  I think children need some magic!


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cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | cheleinkal
Feed them Meat & Feed Them Fantasy
I grew up in the country and moved to the farm when I was 10.  I don't recall EVER being concerned about eating meat, I DID get sick of eating meat, because we grew our own we had it ALL the time, I still preffer white meat to Beef or lamb to this day, I O.D'd on the red meat thing.  I doi recall one of our long time family friends teenage daughter visiting for the weekend and telling us she'd become a vegetarian.  dad told her right out that this was a Meat growing farm, that was our lively hood, you ate meat when you stayed here, or you went hungry.  (He was tough on her mainly because she couldn't explain WHY she was all of a sudden a vegetarian), we'd had other vego's who gave their reasons & dad didn't hassel them, he was teaching her a tough lesson.  I had to slaughter my first and last sheep by slitting it's throat by myself with dad telling me what to do when I was 14.  I had to hang it, gut it bleed it and skin it all by myself, because he thought  I might be the one who'd be interested in becoming a farmer out of the 3 of us & he wanted me to know what to do.  I HATED it.  Who wouldn't hate that, but I did learn something & it didn't turn me off eating lamb, it did out me off becoming a Dr. or a Vet or anything to do with chopping up body parts dead or alive.

The only thing I think is important is the feeding of innocence and the imagination for as long as is possible in this day and age.  I have fully convinced my nephew in the existance of fairies and that I am a real one, not just a dicky grown up who dresses up as one (I was in a kids video as a fairy).  he is now 9 years old & to my personal joy still believes.  Only now he asks me when was the last time I "Morphed, into fairy Land".  Kids lose their innocents and childhood so much earler than we did, these days, and it breaks my heart.  I plan to fill my daughters head with as much childhood fantasy and imaginative stories and things to believe in as much as I can for as long as I can.  When it all begins to dawn that this might not be true, I figure my nephew will be old enough to understand why I told him some amazing stories and my daughter will do the same.  I remember I was 8 when kids at school told me Santa wasn't true, I promptly turned around and told them that "Santa was like Jesus, you either believe in him or you don't".  Then I ran all the way home (school wasn't even over) and cried on my Mum's lap for ages & she told me the truth.  What made it alright was that I was the eldest, of cousins & all, so I got to have a grown up secret & keep the fantasy alive for my younger brother & our cousins.

Food reality, I'm all for it, Fantasy Forever, or as long as you can feed it to them.


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Kristen
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Kristen
Honesty
thanks for showing the different reactions your children had to the information presented.  It reminds us that giving our children information will give our children an opportunity to make their own decisions. 


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klaushelpenstein
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | klaushelpenstein
Honesty
Personally no matter what the subject honesty is always best, being dishonest will sooner or later come back at you, and it's much harder to explain your way out of dishonesty than it is the other way around.

Good article keep up the good work


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wildrose
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | wildrose
Honesty
I rather be honest with my children. We just have to tell them about food chains. So far, my son who is 4 yo, understand about meat eaters,  plan eaters, and plan & meat eaters.


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lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | lexiw
Honesty
Honesty worked for me with both my daughters and I am sure it will work with my son too. Honesty is always the best policy


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      exquisite-flower
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | exquisite-flower
Honesty

I tend to go with the honesty.  And explain to her level, or at leastr what I imagine her 'level' to be...

At present E has little interest in meat.  we eat it occasionally and some she loves, some she dislikes and some she is just like, ok nice, now I am full.  Who knows.  Shall just see how things progress.  She is not a fussy eater so I dont anticipate insurmountable problems.  But shall keep my eyes open and my mind when she gets to that 5 year old thing you have mentioned.  Interesting point.

OK.  Gotta go to Gymnastics.
Peace
EF.x 



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jenlemen
4.77 (Excellent) | November 2006 | jenlemen
this is an interesting topic
meat eating is so pervasive where we are that my kids seemed to accept this without question--until they reached four or five like your daughter!  but their discomfort with being meat-eaters seemed to fade quickly.  i'm a vegetarian, so the truth is they are rarely eating meat because i don't want to cook it.


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      Chrysalis
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Chrysalis
thats interesting about the age.
I wonder if its a common thing at that particular time.
Thanks for sharing your comments :-)
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