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Change overs for access... What we did to make them easier.

cookclan by cookclan Young Parent(January 2007) (rank 3rd)

You meet a guy/girl fall in love and have kids....... Perfect you say well not always.......Sometime life has this way of dealing us a dud hand so to speak and marriages do break up....... Unfortunately sometimes kids are involved........ You hear after break ups all the time that when we
had changeover she said this and he said that......and she said if I did this then I couldn't have the kids etc...... Unfortunately the kids get caught up in all this as I will soon explain

My experience

Okay as most people on Minti know I have custody of my foster sisters kids. But this was not always the case. While we going through court we had to have change overs for access with the other side. After each access I would get another letter from her solicitor saying if I did this again or I did that again I would be in trouble....Etc I was doing nothing wrong. One time I went to her place to pick up Shy for access and her boyfriend at the time refused me access. Shy jumped behind him and got in the car. Well it was on, there was a big fight right in front of the kids well him yelling and absusing me really. I told him  to take his hands off Shy as he tried to drag her out of the car while  she was screaming to me please Aunty Angie I want to go with you.... I turned to my foster sister after telling him if he did not get out of my car I would call the police and sternly said to her call him off now he is scaring the kids. I then got into the car as he yelled across the yard to me and reversed out the driveway. He then jumped in their car chased me down the road with 7 screaming kids in the car overtook me and pulled the car across the road blocking me off got out and walked towards the car with a tyre wrench in his hand I picked up a not working mobile phone and pretended to call the police to which he got in the car and took off..... scary as it was this all could have been avoided...... This incident went into letter from my solicitor to theirs this is a few statements from that letter.

"After many untrue statements made about our clients we feel it would be in the best interest of the children if change overs were moved to an appropriate place which is neutral. being the police station or the local change over centre" this was something that the mother had not wanted to do. the next line read. "Our clients would also like to advice your client that they will also be carrying a portable tape recorder and taping all change overs so there can be no more misunderstandings in anything that is said or done." then a bit more of the untrue things that had been said and it went on to say " We also believe after what you call the alledged incident with the car and her boyfriend that it is also not in your clients best interest to have him with her at change overs and wish this to be agreed upon"

After that at the next change over which was John and Tiana to go to their mothers she turned up at the police station and walked over to me and the kids she went to say somthing and the words from my mouth were before you say anything I jsut want to tell you I am taping this change over okay" I always made sure I got that line on the tape recorder something to do with legalities. She would then say nothing in front of the kids and this even though it made her angry and nasty to me was better for the kids. Which is what we are all aiming for isnt it?

I suggest to anyone who has had a bad breakup or has a bad relationship with their ex to do change over for access in a public place like a police station or change over centre or something like that. If things are still in court and you are being accused of saying things that were not said or you are being belittled in front of the kids use a tape recorder and tell them so. You will find that the thought of some else having proof of them on a tape recorder will calm them down completely. Always even though you have it taped go home and write in a diary about what happened at change over. The tape recording can be jsut proof of what was said if it is denied.

Lastly kids know that there is a reason their parents broke up or in my case the reason why they were living with me. They do not need to be constantly reminded of it. They usually love all parties involved and in the back of their minds want you to get along. Kids should be worrying about what game they will be playing at school the next day or what they are having for dinner not if they are going to witness another big fight between people they love..........These are jsut a few tips we tried and worked for change overs for us. I hope this has helped someone who might be having a few problems in this area.

Have a great day
cheers
Angie
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emmie
June 2007 | emmie
Re: Change overs for access... What we did to make them easier.
I think you are amzing for taking those kids on mwah


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MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | MadMel
THe kids...
Are so lucky to have an Aunty Angie like you. There needs to be more like you out there


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urshy
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | urshy
You're the best Angie
Congratulations on placing the interest of the children first.  It really makes you wonder how she could have a man like that in her life to begin with and what the hell was going on in that house when they had access with the children.  It would have been a bit frightning for the children if this 'boyfriend' lost the plot at any of them.  I hope that she has chosen much more wisely, in the company that she keeps, as the children are the one's who cop it when they are there for access visits.  It seems that she really needs to stop thinking of herself, and start placing the children first, exactly like you have done.  You're the best and they are so privelaged to have you in their life!  Well done!!


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
You're the best Angie
I wonder on a regular basis what goes though her head...... She is no longer with this man thank god everyday !!!!!! I actually got a domestic violence order on him...... There is a whole other story there...  The worst part about access is even though we knew what was going on over there we had no real say in what she did with them when in her home only to report anything dangerous to the welfare....She is with another man I think he is number 9 that she has lived with since that incident By the way he is fantastic with the kids and a normal guy( probably like most normal guys but he won't stick around)..... She has problems of her own mentally...... Still does not make it any easier for the kids..... Sometimes I want to put her over my knee and spank her lol but she is the kids mum..... I feel privledged to have the kids in my life and I do not know where I would be without them sometimes..... They too have taght me so much...... Thanks for your comment


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nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | nell18-3
Change Overs
They are the worst arent they.
After the last time I was on my own when my ex came into the house and was verbally abusive and threatening in front of the two boys. I made it clear that from now on I always have someone with me in the house during change over or if i can't manage that then I go to my Mums and change over happens there.
Its so not fair on the boys, I hide away in the house and he stays in the car, but so far he has not attempted to come into the house since that day, I did say if anything happened like that again I would call the police. The boys too have made it clear they were frightened and prefer him to stay with the car.
What I hate though is that my heart is torn out when they leave with him, yet he rarely even greets them with a hug!!
It is so easy to be hurting so bad that you forget the children are torn in two. I do try my very best to never say a bad thing about their dad when they talk, in fact more often than not I am defending him by saying that he does love them!!! But I have to admit occasionally the odd thing slips out and I always apologise as they do not need to hear that
great piece of advice thankyou


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
Change Overs
Mate I hear what your saying with your heart being torn out..... It will get a little easier hopefully for you..... I have kind of learnt to accept it a bit..... I come from a family that my parents are still married and was never confronted with this at all but I do do my best to be the best and supportive "parent" I can be..... Having some one with you is also a good thing...... Thnaks for your comment take care


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breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | breannababy
SELF SELF SELF
Self is always the catch cry of at least one party in these cases.Oh boy do I know where you are coming from.I believe in never bad mouthing the other party in front of the children,as it is always them that wind up fretting about being disloyal to one parent or an-other.I am  great believer in access change over centers or doing them at police stations if necessary.Any thing that makes the whole event as smooth as possible.Gary's kids used to tell me the evil stuff their Mother said about me and then ask if I hated her too?I used to say to them that I couldn't hate their Mum cause they were half her too so she must be a good person.They used to feel very relieved with my calm(usually) way of dealing with their Mother.I sometimes think it should be mandatory for change overs to done in a neutral environment.You are doing such a great job with your kids on ya ANDIE MMMWWWAAAAHHHHH


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
SELF SELF SELF
Matey I hear ya there hey. I should have written that in bad mouthing any party to the kids is one of the biggest no nos in my books unfortunately I have fallen with this one a couple of times because she makes me sooooooo angry with what she does and the fact I can't stop it makes it worse but any way a whole nother stoy there..... I do try very very hard to not come into her constant button pushing so to speak. Change overs are a time when the kids are excited about seeing the other person so why mar it with silly childish antics. If I could go back again it would have been the police station from day dot.... Thanks Merle fro your comment mwah right back at ya.........

Cheers
Angie


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MelodyS
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | MelodyS
HUGS Angie
If only adults would BE adults.  I applaude your keeping the children as THE focus.  As a previous foster parent I have experienced (OMG have I) experienced "change overs".  Just  continue to keep the welfare of the children at heart.  I think I love you.  You are doing a fantastic job.


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
Thanks Melody
You are making me blush hehe........ I thnk the whole point is if we can avoid a confrontation at change over it is a fantastic thing for the kids....... Thanks for your comment


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mandymum3
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | mandymum3
wow
it looks like its been a bit of a bumpy road for you for awhile, I'm glad everything has all worked out well. and that is great thinking, and i always think it is important to be as honest as possible with kids


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
definately
I agree honesty is best...... My solicitor suggested it to us to take the tape recorder even if it was just to keep her in line for fear of being caught out on making up stories at change overs. It was all about not arguing in front of the kids for us because we copped the reprocussions after wards and they do not need it hey. Thanks.


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OzBinky
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | OzBinky
Sheez Angie
You handled that so well.

I've gone though my fair share of court battles and ex battles at change over...but never anything like that. Well done. You are an amazing influence to those kidlings...they are so lucky to have you in their life....

You certainly have my utmost respect...

Cheers
Lavinia


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
Sheez Angie
It is all about the kids in the end but isn't it........ No matter how bad their other parent is etc...... they love them regardless even if I do not understand this sometimes myself I accept it..... thanks for the comment and I believe I am lucky to have them too.... lol


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