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Using Physical Discipline: Some things to consider.

TheMentorMom by TheMentorMom Young Parent(January 2007) (rank 19th)

This past week, I was listening to a talk radio show that was discussing a California Assemblywoman who wants to pass a law making it a misdemeanor to spank a child under the age of three.   Many of you are aware that I am a

former Protective Services Worker.   For the record, it is not against the law in my home state of Michigan to use physical discipline.  It is, however, against the law here to leave a mark on a child as a result of using physical discipline. 

Sadly, I have seen firsthand the results of excessive physical discipline.  I must say that MOST of the parents in these cases had no intention of injuring their child and felt horrible guilt as a result.  Most shared that they did not want to use physical discipline on their children, but did so in a moment of anger or frustration.  Many grew up in households where physical discipline was used. 

To spank or not to spank is a hotbed of controversy for some.  There are many parents out there that have very strong opinions on both sides of this issue.  I'm not going to say yay or nay either way to the use of physical discipline.  I believe that as parents, we have to decide which parenting tools work best for us and our children.  I also believe that when we are looking at using a disipline strategy, we should be well informed and give much consideration as to whether that strategy is likely to give us the results we desire. So in that vain, here are some things to consider:

  • Has the use of physical discipline stopped the undesirable behavior?
  • How do I feel after I have used physical discipline?
  • Do I want my child to behave because she's afraid of the consequences or because it is the right thing to do?
  • How does physical discipline impact how my child views me?  What impact will the use of physical discipline have on him in the future? 
  • How do I want my child to handle conflict as an adult?

The research on the effectiveness of spanking as a discipline practice vary.  Dr. Phil has summarized these results on his website as has the American Psychological Association. They are worth checking out.  There are also several other Minti articles on this subject which I highly recommend you check out as well.

I can tell you that as a Protective Services worker, I saw a pattern with many of the physical abuse cases I investigated.  In the majority of the cases, the use of physical discipline was not effective in eliminating behavior problems long term.  This would be in keeping with some of the results of the studies.  It also seemed that as the kids got older and bigger, they fought back, ran away or the use of physical discipline had absolutely no impact on changing any undesirable behaviors.  As a matter of fact, the older the child was, it seemed the worse their behavior became, e.g., backtalk, drinking, drugs, sex, etc.   Keep in mind, these are just my observations from my time in the field.

As I said earlier, I believe that parents need to make well informed choices about the strategies and techniques they use with their children.  This post is not about judging who is right and who is wrong in this debate, but rather to share information.  I hope that it is received in the spirit that it is intended.

So, what are your thoughts on this subject?   Do you use physical discipline and if so, has it been effective?  If you do not use physical discipline, what techniques have you found to be most effective in promoting behavioral change?   I am very interested to hear from you on this one :)

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beckyjane
June 2008 | beckyjane
Re: Using Physical Discipline: Some things to consider.

i dont think that out of anger is acceptable how ever out of love and teaching i think physical discipline is a great thing i was smacked when i was growing up when i was out of line at home or school. Dad had this belt hanging in there room when we were out of line we would be taken to there room one at a time and be told what we did wrong by mum and dad and then we were smacked bare bottom. it left marks for a few hours and stung but it taught us not to do it again my husband and i do it to our children now and will continue this form of discipline



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      mum2alittleboy
June 2008 | mum2alittleboy
Re: Using Physical Discipline: Some things to consider.

I think you missed the point here. You say you were hit with a belt and it taught you not to do the undesirable behaviour again. This is out of fear not learning morals and standards. You knew not to behave badly because you would be abused.

Here in Australia if you hit with a belt or any object other than your hand it is illegal, it is also illegal to leave a mark or to hit above the waist so i hope you realise this since you are in Australia and think long and hard about what you have just admitted to doing.

I feel sorry for any child who goes through childhood scared of being abused as punishment for any behaviour that their parents see as not wanted.

As for the advice, I think it is fantastic advice. I have smacked my nephews hand away once out of fear when he went to touch the heater. There are much more effective punishments like time out or taking away privelages like TV, toys or sleepovers then hitting a little child who looks up to you. Well written.



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Frontier
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Frontier
Smacking Happens
Usually out of anger and I don't think it is an effective method of punishment at all. As a child I used to get hit with a car track (part of a hot wheels set) so hard it used to leave railway lines on my skin. Us brothers used to compare the marks and talk about who had the biggest, reddest railway lines on the back of our legs. There was also the belt and the wooden spoon but the car track was the one that got our attention the most.
Our 7yo can be a bit testy at times and is even trying  open defiance on occasion and hitting him will only escalate the level needed to get his attention and one day he will be 14 or 15 and want to hit us back. Thats not what I call discipline but it is easy to go down that track when you are angry. One thing to remember is that your children will emulate you behavior and use these techniques on their children.
When I need to discipline and i am angry I call the offenders name and state that the "silent countdown has begun" This gives me time to think of a more suitable punishment and them a chance to rectify the wrong doing which usually means a sorry to other brother or compliance to a request that was being ignored.
If the cheeky little fellers want to call my bluff I announce the "silent countdown has ended and punishment is decided" and then I remove a Playstation controller or other form of currency that I know will get them thinking. The key is to be prepared to follow through with your declared punishment and the tantrum that may follow. The silent countdown is good because if gives you time to think about a suitable punishment and it keeps them guessing as they don't know how long the countdown will be ( sometimes you need a little time to calm down and thing of something that will have an effect and you are prepared to do) and what punishment will follow and at the moment they right their wrongs promptly because the know I will follow though with my punishment.

When I do smack I say that it is not part of the punishment and I didn't want to do it and now I am angry and you know you wont get what you want when I am angry so now you have to help me become happy again. I often get more angry with myself when I smack and I still use a passive punishment and say that the smack was because I got angry and I am sorry for that but I still have to punish you unless you ( say sorry or undo the wrong) make things good again.


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      TheMentorMom
February 2007 | TheMentorMom
Smacking Happens
Excellent points all the way around, Frontier.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts on physical discipline :)


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jenlemen
4.54 (Excellent) | January 2007 | jenlemen
no spanking over here
we were spanked as kids in a very measured, reasonable way (two somewhat painless swats) after we had clearly violated some rule.  it was a very rare occurence.  i don't have negative feelings about it per se, but i am positive that all my mom needed to do was frown in my direction and that would have been enough to get me back in line.

i think the most negative thing about spanking for me is that when my firstborn was a toddler i had this sense that I HAD to spank her to control her or that i would be being a bad mother.  it didn't take long on that experiment to realize nothing could be further from the truth.  i wish now i had never even been on that page because i am positive i didn't have the same measured reasonable way about our exchanges that my mother did.  i know it was not the best thing for me or for madeleine, so we abandoned the practice completely very quickly.

i've learned since then that spanking works on kids who would just as easily accept another form of correction.  both my kids do so much better with positive reinforcement than they do with negative punishing.



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      TheMentorMom
February 2007 | TheMentorMom
no spanking over here
I hear you about that frown from your mom...that's all it took for me!  Thanks for sharing your perspective on this topic, Jen!


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MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | MadMel
Great article
I am the same. I believe its the parents decision. However I also know parents that started with a tap and the longer it went on the less it worked and now they are smacking so hard. That is one downside to smacking.


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Kristen
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Kristen
Great article, Mentor Mom.
The one thing I have seen in myself is that ANY form of discipline done in the heat of anger is completely and utterly disregarded.  If I am frustrated and put Ethan in a time out, he becomes defiant and angry as well.  As for physical discipline, we try to only use it in extreme situations where Ethan has placed himself in grave danger or harm (running into the street, trying to touch a hot stove after being warned).  He kind of looks at us like we are crazy.  Time outs are better for us if initiated properly and consistently (as warned).  Just my two cents. 


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      MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | MadMel
Great article, Mentor Mom.
That is what i do too. Chase burnt his hand on the stove when he was younger which is when i brought in smacking. I use it for the shock factor. They think "WOW i wont do that again"


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           TheMentorMom
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | TheMentorMom
Great article, Mentor Mom.
Thanks to both of you!  I agree with both of your comments :)  Seems to be the consensus, ie, anger + discipline = disaster!


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mace-oz
4.61 (Excellent) | January 2007 | mace-oz
Yes

I believe in smacking but not in anger as said. I watched as a child while my mother pulled my aunt off her son as she could not stop smacking/hitting him she was so angry. If I smack I am clear headed and calm. Great advice. Good to see you are open to all veiws either way.



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      TheMentorMom
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | TheMentorMom
Yes
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!  I've seen parents hitting in anger as well...that always has an ugly ending doesn't it?  I think I got spanked twice as a kid and neither hurt (sorry mom and dad!).  The choice to use spanking depends on the parent's state of mind, the child and the situation.  You have reinforced a valid point, ie, if spanking is going to be used, anger on the parent's part should not be a part of the equation :)


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Norby
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Norby
Things to think about there

I believe that smacking is a vaid punishment for serious issues. My children always know that when Mum says "Do that again and I will smack you", that they have crossed over the behavioural line.  I do not smack out of anger any more, only to reinforce that certain behaviour will not be tolerated.

I will say that when my children were about 4 and 6, and I was in serious mental freefall, with PND (took that long for people to realise just how sick I was).  I realised that despite my good intentions, I was smacking the boys out of anger and frustration.  It was a terrifying moment when I realised that my discipline methods had escalated into the beginnings of child abuse.  I stopped hitting in anger at that moment (and tried to drive my car into a light pole - but thats another story). 

I guess what I am trying very incoherently to say is ..... Yes, I do believe in physical punishment, but for serious issues, with other avenues explored first.  And never physically discipline your child in anger.



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      TheMentorMom
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | TheMentorMom
Things to think about there
Thanks as well, Norby, for sharing your thoughts on this issue as well!  Sorry to hear about your PND and I'm glad you were not successful with driving your car into a tree.    You hit the nail on the head as well regarding keeping anger out of the equation :)


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