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Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...

Anonymous Author (February 2007)

i am a big believer in two sides to every story and also believe that as Humans we have the right to exercise our freedom of speech and thus i have stayed awake all night to get the other side of the story....The facts for the other side of
this debate....

If you are blessed enough to have a child that doesnt need to be medicated i am happy for you but alas some of us don't have that luxury..... this is our story.....

Wilma Fellman, M.Ed., LPC states  "The existence of ADHD is not debatable. It is a neurobiological disorder supported by widely acknowledged research.  experts, such as Dr. Russell Barkley, Dr. Sam Goldstein, and others have consistently identified a group of individuals who have pervasive and chronic trouble with concentration, impulse control, and in some cases, hyperactivity. ADHD has been recognized by the courts, the United States Department of Education, the Office for Civil Rights, the United States Congress, the National Institutes of Health, the U.S. Surgeon General, the Centers for Disease Control, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Federal Drug Administration and all major professional medical, psychiatric, psychological, and educational associations

Methylphenidate (Ritalin) is a medically prescribed stimulant drug that is chemically different from Coc . . . ne in significant ways. The therapeutic use of methylphenidate does NOT lead to addiction. Individuals  who are properly treated with stimulant medication such as Ritalin have a lower risk of developing problems with alcohol and other drugs than the general population. More importantly, fifty years of research has repeatedly shown that children, adolescents, and adults safely benefit from treatment with methylphenidate.

Can ADHD be overdiagnosed and overmedicated? Yes, of course. But...one could say that about anxiety, depression and a host of other silent disabilities. But, it is also underdiagnosed and undermedicated as well. Do we want to throw out the many who are truly suffering for the few who are looking for excuses?

Are stimulant medications effective in treating ADHD
? A. As many as 80% of individuals using stimulant medications are helped by them. 80% of all individuals report a decrease in symptoms of ADD when on stimulant medications. Stimulant medications help individuals to pay attention, stay on task, stay focused and better control impulses by slowing the thought process and allowing individuals to think before acting.

Improper use of ritalin ....yep there are kids out there selling ritalin to others....... Most cases of stimulant abuse are among adolescents and adults who are not being treated for AD/HD. These are people that will abuse almost any drug if given the chance. Adderall and Dexedrine, are abused by people who are trying to get a high similar to speed. Ritalin, , is  abused as a last resort because it doesn't give the user the euphoria they crave. Many substances including household sugar have the potential to be abused by certain individuals. Stimulant medication such as Adderall, Dexedrine, and Ritalin are abused by those who are drug seeking, or addicted. Most people who take stimulant medication to treat their AD/HD do not abuse it. As a matter of fact, the greater problem is that they forget to take it. Research indicates that those with untreated AD/HD are at greater risk to self-medicated with substances. Stimulant medication has a protective effect for some with AD/HD and decreases self-medicating

come on what about others meds that cause probs...... for example
The improper use of the cough medicine Robitussin is another trend of medicinal abuse referred to as "Robotripping."
With an overdose of the over the counter medicine a robotic feeling is produced.

 Panadol is also toxic to the body, and it harms the liver. According to doctors, Panadol will reside in the body for at least 5 years. An air stewardess consumed  panadol during her menstrual as she needed to stand all the time. She's now in her early 30's, and she needs to wash her kidney (DIALYSIS) every month.

Utah......even the use of cough and cold remedies, which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says killed three infants and sent more than 1,500 youngsters 2 and younger to emergency rooms nationwide in 2005.

Scientific proof.......

The central psychological deficits in those with ADHD have now been linked through numerous studies using various scientific methods to several specific brain regions (the frontal lobe, its connections to the basal ganglia, and their relationship to the central aspects of the cerebellum). Most neurological studies find that as a group those with ADHD have less brain electrical activity and show less reactivity to stimulation in one or more of these regions. And neuro-imaging studies of groups of those with ADHD also demonstrate relatively smaller areas of brain matter and less metabolic activity of this brain

Other links.......

http://www.tourettesyndrome.net/adhd_consensus2002.html
International Consensus Statement on ADHD

http://www.addcoachacademy.com/add-adhd-research.html
add/adhd research

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/39/1/26
brain scans revealing physiology of ADHD

http://www.add.org/articles/MedicationsAddressingParentalFearsandConcerns.html
medications..... parents fears and concerns addressed....

http://www.add.org/articles/myth.html
myths re Ritalin and ADHD

http://add.about.com/library/testimony/bltestimonywilma.htm
the Hearings on Ritalin

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tdg1973
May 24th | tdg1973
Re: Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...
Good on you for putting your side across, but, Ritalin was banned in Sweden in th 60's I think due to the side effects. It may cause psycosis years after patients stop taking it. Liver damage too. But everybody has a right to choose. Thankfully my son has an anxiety disorder, which means he can't take Ritalin, but he can take other drugs that are not psychotropic stimulants.


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Krazykat22
March 2009 | Krazykat22
Re: Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...

Adders are hunters and gatherers in a farmers world, the rest of us just need to understand how fast their minds travel along. Just as we find their hyperactivity abrasive, they find our slowness frustrating.



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luzoni
November 2008 | luzoni
Re: Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...

Very useful, thank you



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HarrisonsMommy
October 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
Re: Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...

Well written.  Thanks for sharing.

Angela



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cwyber
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | cwyber
Re: Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...
Good advice.  I think it is helpful to hear both sides of the argument.   I am a girl with ADD.  I was first diagnosed when 13 - a troubled period for any teenager but I think it is especially hard for girls to 'fit in'.  I felt the medication helped me in more ways than the doctors knew, however, understand it is not the answer for everyone.  I wish I knew then what I know now.
If I can help anyone with any questions they may have from the child's point of view, feel free to ask.


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loughlin7
5.00 (Excellent) | April 2007 | loughlin7
adhd and ritalin
Ihave just found out after two years of fighting for my 6 year old son that he has adhd,asperges syndrome and bipolar after a ten minute disscussion with the doctor he tells me that my son will need medication. i am unsure as to what to do and feel this site has helped alot but do feel there is still alot of ignorant minded people in this world that make our children feel as if they are just naughty and all i can say to these people is you are so lucky not to have to deal with this on a daily basis


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      missi602
April 2007 | missi602
adhd and ritalin

If you don't feel comfortable with that diagnosis seek a 2nd opinion. There are many valid reasons to medicate some children but don't feel bullied into it. My 5yo son was diagnosed with ADHD by a pediatrician, teacher, and school counsellor and I chose not to medicate but manage his behaviour through diet. I can see real improvements in his school work and behaviour, but I think it has a lot to do with him maturing naturally and I also wonder how much of his behaviour was ADHD and how much was just mischievous little boy antics.



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Libby24
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Libby24
Ritalin, adhd, bipolar and other disorders...The other side of the story...
firstly well writen, and great advise.
when i first went to see the kids doc about Alex he said he has ADHD and put a 4 year old on Ritalin. I lasted a week and a bit with him. he turned into a zombie and stopped eating. He WASN'T Alex at all. and he got so violent.  I was scared for him. Then we got the Autism Assesment. I feel better about that one.

I have found most medications are not that great for the body and a few of them were made for something else and in trials have been found that a side affect is ie pain relief.


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Considering
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | Considering
Well written
Great advice and well written.


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77pinkbubbles77
1.60 (Poor) | February 2007 | 77pinkbubbles77
wrong diagnosis
my son was diagnosed with ADHD.  They made me feel like a terrible parent if i didnt dose him up on dexamphetamine.  he lost weight and got violent. i changed specalists and was then told to be harder on him.  within the last month we tested him for learning difficulties and ALAS he is dyslexic.  He has all the items they are looking for in ADHD but hes not.  most of these kids need there lives changed.  Diet is a major factor.  we dont have cordial, coke, biscuits, muslie bars etc at home as they claim to have safe levels of additives etc.  thats the biggest lie.  children should be tested for diet problems, learning problems and listened to.  i refuse to bring my children up like i was and they wont be drugged and get away with todays society problems.  yes some children need these powerful drugs but ONLY AS A LAST RESORT. my son is now a regular boy who is being noticed for trying and not the "naughty kid" i could go on about the issue as its a biggie but i only hope that we are doing the right thing for our children and not for the doctors hip pocket.


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      wolonfab
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | wolonfab
wrong diagnosis
I am glad that you can do it without the drugs I wish i had that option but i cant.....

my son is trying to kill himself at present and if the drugs keep him here then i will use them.......we have a no preserv  and other gen modif free diet... all veg and fruit and meat.......we have checked for hearing, learning, almost dies doing tests for diet...... Bloody hospitals......My son is wanting to drink blood, thinks he can fly and is swearing at everyone but says its only in his head, he is using a phone cord to choke himself, has slit his wrists and etc...... I love my son and drugs are our only option apart from a shrink every week......

I do respect that you are doing whats best for your son though.......and i am glad that u have a normal little boy now .......I wish we were so blessed at times


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ferg
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | ferg
adhd
Hi have just read your article and wondered if you had thought of not using drugs and trying a drug free program.My son suffered from learning difficulties and we put him through a program called the DORE program,which stimulates the cerebellum through exercises morning and night for 5 to 10 minutes.Our son now is going great at school and we owe it all to the DORE program.This treatment has also been found to help children suffering from adhd ,aspergers,and many other disorders.They have a fantastic website if you would like more information,just search DORE and you will find there site.I hope this may be some help to you.


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      lexiw
4.56 (Excellent) | February 2007 | lexiw
adhd

I think the dore program is a great idea but unfortunately it isn't available to everyone and it dosn't work for everyone. Most of these parents have tried everything other than drugs first and unfortunately in some cases drugs are the only thing that helps. Thank you so much for your suggestion though. Maybe you could write an article on your experiences with the dore program. I for one would love to read about a success case.

 Lexi xxx



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bug5
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | bug5
a dissenting opinion
 While you are entitled to your opinion try living with someone that has one or both of these disorders, since i was seven years old i have had to endure the fact that my brother has had Attention Deficit Disorder with Hyperactivity and Aspergers Syndrome ( A form of autism). I often felt neglected and unloved by my mum as we were a single parent family because no matter how much attention she tried to give me it seemed that my brother always got more. We tried everything from diet to medication and medication was the only thing that worked and my brother has had proper test to diagnosed these conditions. My brother was a totally different child when on his medication, he was less aggressive  and his education results improved and when he was not he was violent and his results dropped. At school I was bullied because my brother was different and he was also bullied for being different so before you judge I suggest that you try spending time with someone with this condition.


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lagbolt
1.92 (Poor) | February 2007 | lagbolt
A Dissenting Opinion
All of the research on 'ADHD' has been done by a tiny corps of elite researchers funded by NIH and pharmaceutical companies. The diagnosis is based entirely on subjective criteria and there is no medical test to prove the existence of the 'medical' condition. The often-touted brain scans in fact can not be used for diagnosis because the differences are very small and can only be gleaned through statistical analysis of large groups. In addition all the scan studies done have included a large number of subjects on or post-medication, so there is no way to tell that any differences in the brains have not been caused by medication itself. Furthermore, we know that brains have what is called neuroplasticity, that is they adapt structurally to changes in sensory input and environment. So we could also be looking at the differing feedback that these kids get. The point is that no one knows the precise meaning of differences in the brain. Science is still in the infancy of its understanding of brain structure and chemistry. It is similarly appalling to assume that because stimulants affect neurotransmitters, then these kids must have an 'imbalance' in neurotransmitters. There are over 200 neurotransmitters in the brain, and we simply do not yet understand what they all do and how they interact. Stimulants are highly addictive drugs (see the DEA website, since you mention the DEA) which have many physical and psychological hazards. Kids who are labeled ADHD need the adults in their lives to take note of their many gifts and adapt their learning environment to change the troubling aspects of these gifts into strengths. Drugs suppress the behaviors but do not cure, and in fact make it harder for kids to heal because they need to deal with their feelings and behaviors as they are. The so-called ADHD behaviors are in fact responses to pain due in part to the diagnosis, and to the negative feedback they constantly receive. See 'The Gift of ADHD' by Lara Honos-Webb and 'Talking Back to Ritalin' by Peter Breggin, whose website is www.breggin.com. You owe it to the children in your life to question the harmful message of the ADHD/Ritalin establishment, which is so well summarized above.


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      lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | lexiw
A Dissenting Opinion

Ok this is your opinion and you obviously have never lived with someone who has one of these disorders so until you do don't judge these great parents who do the best for their kids.

 



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           lagbolt
3.00 (Average) | February 2007 | lagbolt
A Dissenting Opinion
You are wrong, I have a son who has been labeled ADHD and is in fact quite high on that scale. I also know that he is brilliant, extremely sensitive, thinks differently, and that he wants to be different. He thinks, and I agree, that 'normal' thinking has gotten the planet into a lot of trouble. We as a society want to drug our most brilliant and creative minds precisely because they are the most challenging. It never ceases to stun me how people who advocate medication speak as if there is no other option for their child. In fact there is a universe of other options, some of which will work for any given child. It is our job as parents to find out what they are. We owe it to them, and to the world they will live in.


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                lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | lexiw
A Dissenting Opinion
Then you are one of the lucky ones who has had your child wrongly diagnosed then


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      Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | Jessgore
A Dissenting Opinion
You  have used all but two of your playing cards... The last two cards are.... Drugs that could very well help the problem and help your children live a life like any other normal child and a card that says , give nothing to your child leave them to their own defenses.

I myself would use the drug card.... I could not imagine trying every thing to only have the two choices put before me and take the do nothing card....

As a parent I owe it to my child to do the best that I can do for them....  And if it be drugs, I would have made sure it was the only option left.. And if that be it then so be it....

Who are we to judge those if we ourselves have never been in the position.. Even then if we have who are we to make their choices for them...


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           lagbolt
1.44 (Very Poor) | February 2007 | lagbolt
A Dissenting Opinion
Jessgore-- I know how easy it is to feel judged. I have been through the most agressive pressure and judgment I would have thought possible, from my son's school demanding that I drug him, with stimulants, this in a private special ed school where his class is nine students with three teachers. Believe me, I support parents' rights to make decisions affecting their children and I do not judge others. The most destructive factor of this whole trend in my opinion is the educators, psychiatric and medical professionals who unduly influence parents and diminish or abrogate their parental rights and responsibilties. It is our duty NOT to accept their word as supposed experts, and to investigate with skepticism all their claims. And we need to be informed of the vested interests of the psychopharmacological establishment. Please, read some of the many books that question the diagnosis of ADHD and the drugging of children. There are many more cards than the two you mention!


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                wolonfab
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | wolonfab
A Dissenting Opinion
i respect that you are going alone without having to "drug"your child....

My son does not have ADHD but he has had to be medicated for his own safety and the safety of others.....My son is autistic, actually he has aspergers and we went over 6 mths with him unmedicated...then my little boy got violent ...He is now being reassessed to see what else is going on.... why is my child being drugged at 5? My son slit his wrist almost 3 weeks ago and a week later held a knife to his baby sisters neck.... He also gets very emotional and very aggressive and hurts others kids at school  ...

My son is a very beautiful, highly intelligent child and i love him dearly but to keep him with me for longer than a month or two i have to take the measures i do.....

I wish i had the choice that u have made but alas i do not..... There are many parents on minti and also that i know personally ....who have kids that are trying to take their lives before their time or are at a point where its dangerous not to do something..... they too have to go the way of medication.... Not because its easiest but rather because its keeping their kids alive and with them.....I do appreciate your views in re to questioning ADHD and wanted to say thank you for your comments....Its nice to know that there are those out there who are not judging our choices....


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                     lagbolt
3.07 (Average) | February 2007 | lagbolt
A Dissenting Opinion
wolonfab Thanks for your comments. I really do feel for you and your child, and others with violent or destructive children. We too have had a few incidents with knives and baseball bats, no one was hurt and it has been about a year since the worst. I know you are making difficult choices, and doing the best you can for your family. I do not judge you or any other parent. I do feel very critical of the educational system and psychopharmacological establishment, who seem to think they are more qulaified to decide what our children need than we the parents are. I have noticed that people often hear my views on ADHD and stimulants, and the views of many many parents and people who work with kids, as condemning all medication. My reading has been only about ADHD and stimulants, I have no information or opinions on other medications. I would have to do a lot of my own research if they were recommended for my kid, as I am sure you have done. I am not on some kind of anti-drug crusade, but I am reacting to what I see as a juggernaut of vested interests who are profiting from this massive over-diagnosis. As I got deeper into the material, I began to see possible links between those corporate and professional interests, and our society's needs to maintain the status quo, and brand the most original, and vulnerable members of our society as disordered. I wish you and your family all the best through these difficult years.


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kseers
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | kseers
Well researched!
This is a tough call and noone has a right to judge until they have a child in that situation.  All I know is I have a very good friend whose son suffers from ADD.  His school kept saying he should be on Ritalin.  She didn't want to go down that track and tried every other option.  In the end she put him on it without telling the school to see if they would notice the difference.  After a day they rang her at home and asked what she had done to him as he is a different child.  So much for it not working.  She still struggles with having him on it but has to face the effects of what happens when he doesn't - would he thank her later for a miserable childhood and poor school results based on his poor concentration? 

Yes a lot of people overprescribe and yes there are kids that need to look at dietary issues and home life before medicating as these have a strong effect too, but there are genuine cases out there! Just my two cents!


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blackwidowkate
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | blackwidowkate
To med or not
Hi
Fantastic article.....
It takes a lot of soul searching to decide whether to medicate or not. 
Even with Jalans CF we still question her doctors on everything they prescribe and why......and then make a INFORMED decision......we find out are there natural alternatives......or something else we can do before we blindly accept what they say.  We have to.    Rowan was on epillum for way to long for a condition he didn't even have......because he did not have the condition that he was on it for it did not work for him......he was given the medication because we trusted doctors......but if the medication is right for your child...discuss inform then make a decision to suit YOU and Your child.......and the situation
Luv Deb


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NickysMumMum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | NickysMumMum
ADHD - make up your own mind
I've only just come into this debate and I am sooooo with you. This is such a well written, objective and excellently researched article. You should be so proud. I hope this can put an end to the debate over the existence of ADHD. The complexities of the human brain are so immense. How come when something goes wrong with our behaviour we are loath to accept that it could be something wrong with our hardwiring? Something that can be assisted by medications. It just goes to show how little society understands the mind and how lucky anyone is to be perfect. Is there such a thing?


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nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | nell18-3
Fantastic
Now this is what you call unbiased, un judgemental, unprovocative, inoffensive,  informative,  balanced advice
Great work



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      Raine
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | Raine
Fantastic
It is isn't it... I'm so proud of her...she did well on the debating team at school to... (NO, I'll behave 'P' I won't tell the old joke, because it's a family site... )


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      wolonfab
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | wolonfab
Fantastic
I'm just a firm believer in all sides getting a fair go......I did read the stuff on the against side just to be fair but it has not changed my opinions at all..... I do say good on them for being sure in what they believe....Just as i am proud of you all for being strong enough to say what you believe.......(feel like a clucky mother hen...hehehehehe)

I still believe that its important for other parents not to be freaked out like i was when i first heard the word ritalin from our paed.......Isn't it funny that u only hear about the neg's and not the hundreds if not thousands this has helped........


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exquisite-flower
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | exquisite-flower
Thank you
Thank you for writing this.

It is clear, uncompliated and objective. 

5 stars mate!  This is great work.  Thank you.
Peace
EF.x 


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breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | breannababy
HOORAH
This is a non judgmental unbiased article that looks at both sides of the fence.well done and thank-you hugs Merle


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MelodyS
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | MelodyS
Thank you
Thank you for writing an article on this topic which is grounded in fact rather than posting a misinformed opinion.

Two of my four sons are diagnosed one with Bipolar/ADHD, one ADD and other things.  One child is medicated, one is not.  Different methods of treatment, including medication, work best for different children.  My son who is BD/ADHD is treated with Abilify for BD, Strattera for ADHD and we control diet and use omega 3 supplements.  This child was suicidal and a threat to others before medication, he is also FAE due to birth mother's alocoholism and is at a high risk for same.  The medication studies prove that being properly medicated will help prevent self-medicating with alocohol or other drugs later in life.  The son with ADD is not medicated because all meds effect him in horrid ways.  Behavior modification, diet and good old schedules and repitition are best for him.

I suppose if you've never witnessed your child attempt suicide, attempt to harm others or run away...it is easy to say "drugs be damned".  Then to witness the moment he looks you in the eye...IN THE EYE...not easy for ADHD persons...and says "Mom, I feel peaceful."  Well, I won't take that from him.  I now realize that until proper dx and medication, my child had never ever felt a moment's peace.  He was in constant torment.

BTW Straterra for ADHD is not a stimulant and my son has no side effects whatsoever.  Ritalin, Concerta, Adderall were nightmares for him...but they are appropriate for others.  Strattera does not work for everyone either.  No two persons are alike.

I wonder if I say a person does not exist, does that make it so?  Yeah,  I'm being a smartass.


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      MelodyS
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | MelodyS
Spelling errors
Just letting you all know that I know alcohol and alcoholism are misspelled above.  You know I homeschool and I could not let you think I can't spell.


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           lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | lexiw
Spelling errors

I like smartarses

 Lexi xxx



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      MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | MadMel
Thank you
Thankyou MelodyS. For you opinion and support.
xxx


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      wolonfab
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | wolonfab
thankyou for taking the time to read my article.....
You are blessed to live in a country that has the great choice in re meds ...we alas don't have a lot of choice when it comes to what they will let my son go on (age and limit of meds)..... there is ritalin(which seems to be over-prescribed but what else can we get these kids on>?...theres no choice) , a few anti depressents and even risperdal is only allowed if you are down as schizophrenic(otherwise its very expensive)

even bipolar isn't considered over here until you hit the magic age of 16 min.......i am thinking of trying jay on fish oil supp's though......heard good about that..........I read a lot of the posts that a few of you warrior mums have spoken on and i get a sense of relief that one day we too will get to a calmer day...there is hope.......Its good to know that we are not alone in the world and that a lot of you have been where we are just starting to tread.....

i hope to continue to learn for you all.......


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lightbee
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | lightbee
Excellent advice
Excellent advice.  Very thorough and informative and non-judgemental.  Well done.


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lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | lexiw
Perfectly worded

and very informative. Great work.

 Lexi xxx



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cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | cookclan
ABsolutely wonderful
Thank you.....This is very informative.......and quiet real and not just somebodies opinion.......Mwah
5 stars here too mate
Mwah
Angie


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      wolonfab
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | wolonfab
ABsolutely wonderful
Hey Angie....

if you have any links that i haven't seen...

please add them......need people to know there are two sides.......


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Raine
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | Raine
Top MARKS
Great unbiased article that is substantiated with FACTS... Good one - Proud of YOU 




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MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | MadMel
Fantastic!
Thankyou Wolonfab for writing this. It is important for people to see there is two sides to every story! A much more balanced article than the other rediculous one!
5 Stars from me hunni!


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