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Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.

Anonymous Author (March 2007)

Please don't vote on this advice. Or at least, not straight away. Read it, go away, and really think about it. I mean, really think about it. Don't discuss it with anyone. Don't go researching anything, just think about it. Make up your own mind. Come back and read it

again if you have to, as many times as you need to, but don't vote until you are absolutely positive that you understand everything that I have written, and you have looked deep within your heart. Be really honest with yourself. Don't worry about what other people might think. This is about what you believe. When you have done this to the point where you can do no more, then, and only then, do I want you to vote on this.

All we can do in life when faced with a choice, is make a decision based on the situation that we are in, and the information that we have, at the time; make the decision that seems right at the time; and hope that when the dust settles it wasn't a total disaster. Sometimes we do the wrong thing, sometimes we do the right thing, sometimes we just made a choice, and sometimes that choice is very hard to make.

I don't know how many times I've heard someone talking about the horrors of child abuse and heard the comment, "There are some people in the world that simply should never have children." Many people will agree with that statement. I wonder if you thought the same when you read that comment. What amazes me is when I hear the same person a week later arguing that abortion is a bad thing and should not be considered or forgiven. So where do you stand? Don't answer that. Just read on and think about the answer to that question later.

There are people that believe abortion has it's place in society. Others believe that it should never be done under any circumstances, and some women would rather die than have an abortion. And then, there are many levels of thought in between, bringing in all manner of circumstances and exceptions and allowances and forgiveness to the equation. If this wasn't the case, there would never be any issue or debate about it. So what are the issues that cause such debate?

Women that have abortions do so for so many varied reasons. I believe that we should not judge a single one of them for their choice; at least not without all the facts in great detail - including the exact circumstances under which they became pregnant, the circumstances they found themselves in when they found out they were pregnant, their physical and psychological health at the time, their visions of the future, their personal support network and ability to cope with raising a child, the physical development of the baby, and any other extenuating circumstances that may have affected them or their situation. Before we discuss any further whether or not we should be making judgements, or what those judgements should be, about anyone's decision to have an abortion, let's have a look at the main reasons why women do it.

There are two main reasons women have abortions:

  1. There may be a medical complication and it has been determined that an abortion is the safest, and sometimes only, option for the woman. The decision on whether an abortion is medically necessary is determined by a doctor, after thorough medical examinations, but it is still up to the woman to decide whether or not she wants to go ahead with it. Sometimes the "medical" reasons are actually more closely related to the second reason women have abortions.  If tests have concluded that the child will most likely be born with a disability, many women choose to abort. The woman may be fine throughout the pregnancy, birth and afterwards, but she may then spend the rest of her life having to care for a disabled child. When this happens, the decision to abort has then become personal.
  2. Personal reasons are the most common reasons. This can include that the pregnancy was a result of rape, and some people believe that this is acceptable.  What if it was a one night stand? Is that really that much different? The woman was not intending to become pregnant anymore than she would have if she was raped. She may have concented to sexual intercourse, but she did not concent to being a mother. What if she was in an abusive relationship, or in a relationship that was very unstable? What if the relationship was perfect and she just wasn't willing to become the mother of a child - or another child if she already has one? What about the man? He concented to intercourse, but did he concent to being a father? What about the choices he wants to make in life? Some people might call having an abortion for personal reasons selfish. Is it selfish? Let's look look at a few more things before making that judgement.

Most women that have abortions for non-medical reasons were not expecting to fall pregnant. Contraception does not always work, and no matter what anyone does, people are still going to be sexually active. Even if the pregnancy was planned, sometimes circumstances change, and they can change overnight. What was once a wonderful relationship can suddenly turn sour when you find out that the man you are in love with is actually married to another woman, or you give him the news about being pregnant and he suddenly becomes violent and abusive. You may go to the doctor to get some test results to be told you have to go for more tests, and although the baby is fine, you may have cancer or some other horrid disease. Regardless of whether the woman is a drug addicted prostitute, or a kind and loving mother of several children already, if she is not willing to have another child for whatever reason, once she is pregnant, sometimes abortion is the only reasonable choice she has left.

Some people might argue that she has the option of adoption. Of course this is an option, but it isn't always the best option for everyone. Give birth to a child and give it up for adoption, and you will spend the rest of your life wondering if the child is okay. What is the child doing? Where is she? Who is she? Does she have a good life? Does she know about you? Will she come looking for you? Will she be hurt and ask you why you didn't want her? How will you answer that? Will she grow up with a low self-esteem believing she is unwanted, or start to think that way when she learns that she was adopted? Will she feel resentful towards you? Will she forgive you? Will she ever understand? There has not been a day that has gone by where I haven't asked myself these questions since giving up custody of my daughter when she was 3 days old. I know what it is like, and I can tell you that is is very hard to live with. Which is really the best option for the mother? Or the child? Hold that thought. I'll get onto that in a minute.

Look what happened before contraception and abortions were medically available to the majority of women: poverty stricken families were having children by the dozens, abused and neglected children were so common it was considered normal and there was no protection or help available for them, orphanages were established to cater to the needs of all the kids without family to care for them, and some kids were even sold to more wealthy couples who then used them as slaves to do the chores. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to be living in that sort of society. It wasn't that long ago this all changed. How often have you heard about the family that were always fighting, abuse was just another part of their life, the children would go to school black and blue, and no one ever reported it - or if they did, nothing changed? Have you ever heard someone say, "Oh no, the neighbours are at it again! Come inside kids, I don't want you to see that." Maybe you were in that abusive family? Maybe you know someone who was? Maybe your parents were the ones that were asking you to come inside? Or maybe this went on too far away for you to really notice... like a block down the street? If you can say you have never encountered this sort of situation, you are either very lucky, very ignorant, or very young. This still happens today, but we no longer just accept it as a normal everyday occurance. Society's attitude towards child abuse has changed, but the attitude of society towards abortion is still a very heated and emotional issue.

When we consider the situations in other countries, abortion for "selfish" reasons is sometimes the only choice the woman has. Unless things have changed in more recent years (sorry, I haven't looked into whether this is still an issue so I'll assume it is unless I'm told otherwise), in Japan, women don't have the same rights that we enjoy in most of the Western world. They do not have the choice of contraception and the contraceptive pill is illegal. Consequently, Japan has the highest abortion rate in the world, as it is the only choice that a woman has. In China, with their one child policy, if a woman falls pregnant, again, abortion is pretty much the only choice they have left. Is that selfish?

When any man or woman is forced into being a parent against his or her will, it is opening up Pandora's box. The following risks are increased to the point where we may as well just say that at least one of these things is going to happen to that parent in most cases:

  • suffer from Post-Natal Depression.
  • suffer from Chronic (long-term) Depression.
  • suffer from an anxiety-related mental illness.
  • turn to drug or alcohol addiction.
  • become suicidal.
  • be neglectful towards the child.
  • be abusive towards the child.
  • lose all sense of self-esteem.
  • lose custody of the child.
  • end up in a long-term abusive relationship.
  • suffer long-term financial hardship.
  • turn to a life of crime.

If we are going to talk about morals and ethics, I have to ask, how are any of these things good or right? Can we accept that a child may be brought up under these conditions? No, of course we can't. So why put a child there in the first place? Oh, that's right, we do it because abortion is wrong. Is it really, or is that just our perception of it because we don't want to destroy a life? Destroy who's life? Good question.

When trying to answer who's life we are destroying, we have to consider, when a woman has an abortion, is she really killing a living baby, or is it just a lifeless fetus? When is it too late to make that decision? Years ago, in some parts of the world, it was acceptable to abort a baby at any time, even up to two weeks after the child was born. Where do we draw the line? When does a fetus become a baby? When does the life that an abortion terminates begin? Is it when the baby can survive independantly from the womb? Is it when the brain starts to develop? Is it when the cells that make up the baby are considered to be living? Guess what! Those cells are "living" before they are even fertilised. So at what point can we say we are not destroying a human life? We can't, because that is exactly what we are doing by terminating a pregnancy. Is destroying this life morally or ethically good or right?

Okay, so lets look at the subject of terminating life. When we have a pet that "needs" to be put down, most people can go through with it and it is generally considered the humane thing to do. Some people will argue that that is wrong, animal life is still life and what right do we have to take it away? Then we eat meat, wear leather, destroy natural habitat, build huge industries, pollute the planet, and purchase all the products off the shelf that perpetuate these problems. On the other side of the debate, we are not talking about animals, we are talking about children - our own species. Does that make a difference?

We, as a species, declare war on each other and kill hundreds of thousands of people in doing so. We, as a species, cause the starvation of millions of people, including children; and hundreds of thousands of people, including children, are slaughtered and murdered everyday. Yes, this mostly occurs in far off countries under the rulership of cruel dictators, but those dictators and their followers, are part of the exact same species as us. They are still human, just like us. That's a bit heavy isn't it? Sorry. Let's take this back to a more local level.

When was the last time you drove 5 kms per hour over the speed limit? Have you ever answered your phone while driving? When was the last time you drove home from a night out not totally sure if you were under the legal blood-alcohol limit? You know you wouldn't have been too far over the limit if you were, so that's okay, right? No, it's not. People are killed on the roads every day because someone went just that little bit too fast, took just that one phone call, or had that one extra drink. If you don't drive, when was the last time you didn't report a dangerous pothole in the road that might cause an accident? When was the last time you let a friend drive home after they had a couple of drinks? When was the last time you talked to someone on the phone when you knew they were driving? Every time you do these things, you are putting someone's life at risk. You are the killer of a human life waiting to happen. If it's not okay to take a life, why is so socially acceptable to risk taking one?

Even if we don't do it ourselves, how can we sit back and let someone else kill a child? We do it everyday. Yes we do. You don't believe me do you? Every minute of every day we commit this crime, and most of us don't even realise it. Don't feel guilty about it, it can't be helped. When was the last time you purchased a product produced by a major corporation that exploits the people of a poorer country, even allows them to be killed in avoidable industrial accidents, or supports tyranical governments that that starve and murder their own people? I'll bet it was within the last week, probably within the last day or two. Even when we become aware of it, should we sit back and let it happen? No we probably shouldn't, but we do.

If you have ever seen an innocent and good person suffering horrendous pain from a terminal illness that will end up killing them anyway, the issue of euthenasia becomes a huge debate, and you completely understand why. Would we end a child's life to stop them from having to suffer? Who can make that decision? Maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't. The reality is, most people can't bring themselves to actually do it. On the other hand, all over the world over there are many people that support corporal punishment and the death penalty. People even consider it a priviledge to flip the switch on an electric chair. People were grateful when Suddam Husein was executed and his execution was publically broadcast all over the world - and millions watched. Why is that? Is it okay to end the suffering of a criminal, but not an innocent person? The human race as a whole is nothing short of totally hypocritical, and you, yes you, are human. You are one of them. So am I, and I am very aware of it.

I do not believe that abortion is a good thing. I do not believe that it is a bad thing. I believe that, for many women, it is a necessary thing. I wish I had never been put in a position where I believed it was necessary for me to have one, but I don't wish I could go back and change my mind. I don't ever want to have another, but I would if I believed it was necessary. I do not, have never, and will never judge someone else's decision to have an abortion. This isn't just because I've experienced it myself and would be hypocritical if I did make such a judgement. Even before I ever had one I would not have assumed to know what was best for someone else. I'm not someone else. I am me. I know me better than anyone else. You are you, and you know you better than anyone. Only you can make the decision about what is best for you.

Having an abortion is not an easy thing to go through for anyone, no matter how strong or heartless they may seem to be. To assume otherwise is a completely ignorant mistake to make. There are risks and complications involved. Being unable to have children in the future is one of them. Dying during the proceedure is another. Those facts alone make the decision a very hard one. Add in all the moral and ethical issues and it is amazing that anyone is actually able to make that decision at all.

We don't like being forced to do anything that we are not comfortable with. In fact, when it comes to our bodies, if we force someone to do something against their will, it is called abuse. What to do with a pregnancy is no different. We can not force someone to have an abortion and call ourselves a good person. By the same token, we can not force someone to bring a child into the world and think that we are any better. We don't like it when people make negative judgements against us for the decisions that we make in life. Yet so many of us are very quick to make the same judgements of others. That is hypocritical. That is human.

If you believe that it is necessary for you to have a termination, I recommend that you seek good professional councelling both before and after the proceedure. If you are feeling pressured by someone else to have a termination, or to not have one, stop listening to that person. Talk about it with those closest to you, especially the would-be-father of the child, if possible. Accept their opinions, listen to their advice, but ultimately at the end of the day it is up to you - and only you - to make that decision.

Whether you have had an abortion or not, whether you are for it or against it, please, respect that everyone is different and every situation is different. Rather than look down upon someone who's opinion or circumstance is different to yours, appreciate that they have their own life to live, their own decisions to make, and that they are human, just like you. Part of being human is making mistakes, having emotions, and needing the acceptance of others. It means that rejection hurts. Being human and being humane are different however. Being humane is more than just being human. It is having the ability to care for others, to show compassion, and when necessary, having the ability to forgive.

Are you humane, or just human?

Lastly, if you have ever been unfortunate enough to have sat in the waiting room of an abortion clinic, forgive yourself. Any humane person would forgive you, and it may become your first step towards being more than just human.

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whome
February 2008 | whome
Re: Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.

im anti abortion,, unless theres a good reason as you have stated,, in this day and age people who have abortions for no reason,, should have been more carefull,, great article xxxshar



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pavementcracks70
February 2008 | pavementcracks70
Re: Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.

well written article! who are we to say what is right or wrong for others, our perspective is just that - OURS

its very easy to sit back and scold people for their beliefs yet taking the time to understand difference of opinions makes our journey in life inspirational

well done rue



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Arna
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2007 | Arna
Re: Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.
I can't believe I haven't read this one yet.  I voted, but for the quality and presentations as much as the info.  The only time I am really against abortion is when women don't take measures to prevent pregnancy at all, and then use abortion as a form of birth control.  If they are serial offenders of it, then their tubes should be tied or clipped, which in many cases can be reversed.  Medical, coping, rape, failed contraception I find are acceptable reasons.  My third miscarriage was basically a termination, but I had already lost one fetus (they believed I was having twins) and the other was really struggling to survive.  I chose my life over the babies, and I'm glad I did.  I wasn't with the father any more, and didn't really need the hassles he would have placed on me.  I had to put up with being called a baby killer for a while, but I knew the truth.  Not many people, including my parents, are aware of what I went through, and I had to be awake for it too.

The thing that really makes me not so happy (I'm not using the 'a' word!) is when a couple splits up and she has an abortion to spite him, not because it's what she wants, but because she knows it would hurt him more!

This is a very well written (as usual! lol) article and certainly does not impose on others thoughts.  It has useful information that a lot of people wouldn't know, especially teenagers.  I think this should be published and distributed throughout schools as part of the education campaign for teens.


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bug5
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2007 | bug5
Re: Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.
I have read this several times and have gone away and thought about it. I totally agree that there are some people in this world that should not be able to have children but can and there are people who should be able to have children but can not have them for a number of reasons.  Personally I only believe in abortion in the case of rape or if there is something seriously wrong with the baby. However i would not judge someone who has had one for whatever reason they have had one. I have a friend who had one because  she was at a stage in her life where she was just not ready to become a mother and that was her choice, I am not going to stop being her friend.  You ask the question is a one night stand different to rape. In my opinion it is, you consent to a one night stand and you know the risks that are involved and getting pregnant is one of those risks. No one asks to be raped. Then there's the adoption debate, yes adoption is an option but say in the case of rape you gave the baby up for adoption and when its older it tries to find you, would you really want to be reminded of what happened I certainly would not and i would resent the child. I know that everyone is not going to agree with my views but this is my personal opinion and like I said I am not going to judge people on their opinions. I just want to say that this was a really great article and it was very thought provoking.


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pvp
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | pvp
Re: Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.
Great article! Well written and explored in depth. I think many people don't appreciate the circumstances some women may find themselves in when deciding to have an abortion. As commented by fellow  members, it is entirely a personal choice but we should consider ourselves lucky to live in a country where it is legal , only because history has shown us, how even if illegal ,abortion does go on and often claims the life of the mother as well.


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mum2EandJ
June 2007 | mum2EandJ
Re: Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate.

I also think this article is very well written and i give your complete credit for that. Well done. But, i also wont be voting as it is personal opinion to what we think is right for ourselves.

Thanks for the great read



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lunaeclips5
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | lunaeclips5
my opinion
i was force into having it done and still am up in the air with the whole situation so i cant comment.


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jenlemen
5.00 (Excellent) | April 2007 | jenlemen
well written, well said
this is the kind of thoughtful discourse we need on minti.  thanks for taking the time to carefully outline a thoughtful point of view.


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MummaBear
3.11 (Average) | April 2007 | MummaBear
well presented

I won't be voting on this ever. I don't think it should be voted on as it is entirely a personal choice and by voting it takes away from that.  It shows that people are right or wrong with their decisions, and that's something only the individual can decide.

I would never have an abortion and I can say i've been in places where people would choose an abortion and didn't do it.  But every person is different and makes the choice they think is best at that time. They may regret, they may not, in any case I feel that by voting on this it will only tell people whether it is right or wrong.

It was very well written, very well put together with a lot of time and thought going into it to present such a touchy subject in an anti-biased manner. I give you full credit for this ariticle, not many people can write about abortion and show both sides as well as you have.  It's neither condoning nor condemning the use of abortion.

I have said in another article that even though I don't agree personally with it, I am 100% behind abortion clinics being in place.  This is because if a person is going to have an abortion and is desperate to do so one of 2 things will happen. She will go out the back and try to give herself an abortion using a rusty coat-hanger in a dirty environment, or she will have the baby and resent it because she really wanted an abortion.  My baby was unplanned, and I didn't for a second contemplate an abortion. That was my choice and I wouldn't have it any other way. If a person was going to have an abortion and couldn't because it wasn't available, that person would very possibly resent the child and the child may well grow up in the manner you speak of, with abuse or neglect.

This has certainly made a lot of people think. Thank you for writing about this in the way you have, you have real talent.



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mumof2b
4.35 (Good) | March 2007 | mumof2b
Thank you!!

I had an abortion just 2 weeks ago and am having a really hard time getting over the guilt, my husband is and was very supportive. It was an unplanned pregnancy and i tried to be happy about it and tried to convince myself that it would be okay but the more i tried the worse it got.  I got extremely depressed and withdrawn and i was just not coping.  My husband and i talked about it and researched it on the internet and then rang a few clinics to talk to them about it.  It was the hardest decision i have ever had to make and something i have to live with for the rest of my life but i also know it was the right decision for me.  I have not told anyone about what i did as i know that they just would not understand and i know that is contributing to my guilt but i think my guilt would be worse if i did tell them and still had to see them everyday and talk to them like nothing has happened.

I myself was one of those people that didn't really have a strong opinion on abortion but now having been through it and having that be a part of who i am now has completely changed my views. 

I have two beautiful boys aged 6 and 2 1/2 and i see them so differently now and i will NEVER take them for granted and i thank God for them everyday, they are what get me through this!! 

Thank you Wendigo, you have helped more than you know just when i needed it, especially your last paragraph.



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      Wendigo
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Wendigo
Thank you!!

No, thank you. I think that would have to be about the most heart felt comment I've seen on Minti yet. I'm so glad that something I wrote was able to so directly make someone's life a little bit better.

One thing I have learned in life is that you can never fully understand the way others might feel about a highly emotional issue until you have walked that path yourself. Once you have walked such a path, you can find a whole new world open up to you, for as soon as you admit what you have been through, you will be surprised who else stands up and says, "Hey, me too!".

I've formed some very wonderful friendships all because I had the courage to stand up to the plate and say what really happened to me. Sure, I've lost friends in doing this, but then they weren't the best friends to have anyway I discovered in the long run, and I've made more friends and far better friends for it.

Now that you have done this here, you may find yourself more able to open up a bit more in your "real" world. I hope that you can eventually find acceptance in your life from others - you might be surprised who else you know has done this and will not admit it. Some may even give off a very strong opinion of abortion, that may even have been created as a result of having gone through it and suffered terribly. You just never know until you take that brave step and start talking.

Good luck and all the best to you. You've done a very courageous thing. Well done.



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mcm
4.23 (Good) | March 2007 | mcm
Oh and just my persoanl opinion
Not that it matters, but I agree about it being a necessary thing.
I truly believe a child deserves to brought up in a home where they are loved.


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mcm
3.94 (Good) | March 2007 | mcm
Abort
A little long but well researched - well done!


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jenaya04
4.74 (Excellent) | March 2007 | jenaya04
abortion
everytime i read your stuff im always impressed. Tell u what girl, i rekon u have found your true calling! u should be writing for an advice colum in the paper or magazines! Move over Agony Aunt, wendy's in the building!!! Another fantasic article, cheers mate


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Dawn
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Dawn
abortion
May I first say that your article was a well written thought provoking piece of literature that would truly open the eyes of those you chose to be closed mind about this subject! I firmly believe that if a women becomes pregnant, it is her choice as to whether or not she has an abortion! I also believe in birth control, but we all know that it isn't always reliable! What women do with their bodies is a personal choice, what women do with being pregnant is also a personal choice! My choice was to have my child and give her up for adoption! It was the most difficult thing I have ever done! I was not ready at that time to have a child, but for me an abortion was not the answer! My choice! We each of us have to decide what road is best for us to follow in life, and of course we will make mistake! But, will careful thought of each decision that we make we become stronger women through the course of our lives! We need to not judge each other, but rather embrace and accept that as individuals we all have seperate thoughts that lead to different courses of action that we feel will be the best result in our lives! I am not here to judge or to be judged by others I am here  as a sister and sometimes a mother to all who accept my advice and sometimes perhaps use it! Thank-you all for listening!


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lonely28
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | lonely28
condem me if you will
That is one of the most well written articles that I have read in a long time. Well done you and thank you for presenting a Non biased article. I do not like to admit this freely but yes, I have had an abortion. It was my choice and one that I thought long and really hard about. I have been a victim of sexual assult twice in my life and have my daughter as a result of one those times. I still to this day remember vivdly every emotion and thought I had at that time (nearly 8 years ago). It still haunts me but at that moment in time it was the right decision for me. When I had my daughter I had the adoption papers ready and nearly signed them. In the end I couldn't do it.

Abortion is a highly personal and very difficult decision that many woman face. To those who have condemed me and still do, go ahead, it is something I'm not that proud of but it was the right choice for me. Thank you whole heartdly wendigo. I wish there were more people like you that walked this earth.


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Kellzacar
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Kellzacar
Are you humane or just human? - the abortion debate

HIP HIP HOORAY!!!! BLOODY FANTASTIC ARTICLE!!!!!

Well done Wendy - I truly hope EVERYONE reads this . . . There are many sides to every argument and you've managed to write an article that is both compassionate, understanding and factual....

I am truly awed by your insight into this and bow gracefully . . .

Well done mate . . .  Cheers Kellz



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RebeccaDorant
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | RebeccaDorant
tried to post before but didnt work

2 points

firstly, this is a well written article as always wendigo thankyou for sharing your experiences, i trully hope that every member reads this and can take somthing positive from it, i know i have, no need for details just know that your article has changed the way i see this topic.

secondly, and this is just a lil side note, there is somthing that everyone can do to help artisians and farmers around the globe who are living in poverty, instead of reaching for the products who's companies have no policies on how workers are treated  (eg. the classic sweatshop) go for products that are fair trade. the oxfam shops around the country stock coffee's, chocolates, t-shirts, shoes, gifts, jewlery and furniture that is all made and produced by people who get a fair wage and can thus support their families without the need for handout aid. just a lil way we can all help... even just asking at your local coffee shop if they use fair trade coffee is a good start.



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      Wendigo
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Wendigo
tried to post before but didnt work

To add to your side note about avoiding exploitative corporations, for those who have no idea what we are talking about:

I recommend watching a film called "The Corporation". It's a documentary style film that goes very briefly into what a corporation is, how it works, why it exists, it's social conscience - or lack there of - and to extraordinary lengths to which it will go to hide the devistation that it creates. Obviously not all corporations are bad, but when watching this film, if a corporation name flashes on the screen in the opening titles or during the show, it means they have done or are doing something ethically rather bad, and there are a lot of them, most of which are common names we see and who's products we use everyday. It isn't for the over-sensitive however, as some of the things you learn about are downright horrifying. It makes for an informative solid platform from which to do further research into the subject.



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           RebeccaDorant
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | RebeccaDorant
tried to post before but didnt work

yer i've seen that one we borrowed it from work to watch (i used to regularly volenteer under my partner at our local oxfam australia store) it's full on, i heard some of the vollies didn't watch all of it because of that. definatly not for the faint hearted. but it inspired me to get my but into gear and start supporting fair trade with more passion than ever... man i miss work! soon as bub is toilet trained and can be babysat for one day a week i's so going back.

ps thanx for the reply wendigo... it's refreshing to know that there are others out there doing their bit... hehe... spread the word... teach our kids about fair trade...and hopefully the corperate wave of distruction can be stoped with us!!!!! cheers mate :)'s



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stuterri
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | stuterri
Well Written..

i totally agree its up to the individual and their circumstance. Very well written. I too have had an abortion i was 16 and still in high school and still living with my parents. My boyfriend at the time (now hubby)  was not working and both of us decided that it wasn't right to bring a child into the world at that stage of our lives. We didn't want to bring a child into the world where we couldn't support ourselves let alone another person. I don't think i would do it again but it depends on the situation...

I think this article should be read by as many people as possible.



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angelmum
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | angelmum
Fantastic
Well written, Im not going to go on with what I think on abortion that is my private thought and decision as I think it is every other womans own thought and decision.  I just wanted to say well done and thank you for writing I just hope everyone reads it properly and takes everything in xxx


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samantha
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | samantha
blood condition

my sister in law has a blood condition (leder factor 5 )were if she develops a clot while pregnant she would have to have an abortion otherwise she could die, she has had three children so fare and has not experienced any yet but if she did pregnant or not it is life threatning

okey on another note i had an abortion when i was 16 from when i first met my husband, i didn't want to do it but i felt presured into it from so called friends at the time and older women who told me i was too young, i vomited for 2 days after  i had the abortion, and wouldn't leave the house for a week as i couldn't stop crying it was the most horrible thing i have ever done, and i would never do it again NEVER, it angers me that i was presured into doing something i didn't want to do, my husband who was my boyfreind at the time said to me while we were in the waiting room that we should leave and not do it but i had been made to feel by others i had to do it, my husband and my parents were against it yet why was i listening to everyone else and not them??? i think these so called do gooders should but out as its not there bodies, i don't think young people should be presured into haveing abortions they should just be better equiped in preventing the pregnancys in the first place and remember no one is perfect and i don't think that you should abort a baby just cauase your so called too young or whatever so called reason unless it is risking your own life, medical reason or whatever, so ther you have, i've had one but i don't like them



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      stacey79
May 2007 | stacey79
blood condition

hi samatha

i know this is over due (re comment march) i read that your sister has a blood condition factor 5 leiden i also have it had a blood clot on first child but have had four healthy babies havent found anyone else who had the condition jsut thought i would say hi

stacey79



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wolonfab
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | wolonfab
Luv the whole two sides to every story articles..... well written
First let me That its great that u can write about something so personal and with both sides of the fence firmly in play........Kisses and hugs to you for saying what needed to be said.......

I agree (with Nell) that in my opinion abortion is wrong for ME...... I would never put another down for their choices as i dont think they are ever made lightly........I am a very strong supporter of that saying that if you cant say something nice to someone then the most supportive thing you can do is to keep quiet.......

Thru alot of contemplation  I know that even if i had of known that my son was gonna be trouble i would still have gone ahead with his birth .....i was never maternal, was told i couldnt conceive without lot of help and was freaked out after the birth and was scared to be alone with him....... However just cause i can deal with a child like mine doesnt mean someone else may be able too..... Everyone has to look at their situation and decided in that moment of time..... That said  I don't know if i could have another  right now with the way things are in my house and our lives........But unless i am right in that moment i cant say yes or no...Just like i cant say what a women should think or feel or where she is right at that choice she is compelled to make...... Can anyone of us really?

My mum was born with severe disability's and  again i am sure there are alot of women who have to decide if they can give a special child all the help and support they need...Not everyone is strong enough... I  want to be the type of mum who if my baby girl came to me and said i was raped mum and i am pregnant and i cant do this i want to be open minded enuf to support HER decision...Its HER that has to raise that child forever.....

Alot of the time if someone is being abused then they feel that the best thing they can do as a mum is to not bring life into the world that will go thru that type of pain.... There are also  diseases out there that are death sentences for a CHILD..... I think Tay sachs is the one where babies don't live pass a certain age isn't it?  There is, Alot of the time, alot of thought put into the whole situation...It is never made lightly and women deal with it for the rest of their life........

I think we as women should support each others decisions no matter what they may be......  cause if we dont stand up for each other then who will?

I hope this makes sense......


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tassiebiarch
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | tassiebiarch
awesome

this article has hit the nail on the head very well written just hope everyone reads it

well done



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cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | cookclan
So well written
This is something that needs to be well read by anyone.....So well written...
Mwah
Angie


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nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | nell18-3
Excellent
Well thought out and written from the heart
I love advice when it is written by someone who has lived through what they are writing about
Real Life Experience
I have always felt abortion was wrong FOR ME!!! I would not want to condemn anyone who has made a decision that was right for them. Neither would I go around shouting that I was either FOR or AGAINST anything, as I often feel that life then comes around and bites you and you have to make a decision which then makes you look a hypocrite. 
Wendigo I so admire your strength and your courage and your dignity
To have lived through this and be able to come out and share it to help others deserves respect and you have mine
xxx


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lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | lexiw
Excellent article

I really hope that people do read this properly and really think about it. Good on you Wendigo

 Lexi xxx



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