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Results of my Dry Nights Experiment

nomes by nomes Speaking(June 2006) (rank 225th)

JUST AN UPDATE TO THIS.....30TH JUNE 2006 - 27TH OCTOBER 2006, HE HAS NOT WET ONCE - and we haven't done the chart since the end of July.

OK.  My son was still wearing nappies at night, and that was fine by me and by most healthcare professionals.  "They do it when they are good and ready" they tell me.   Now, I'll start by saying I only did this with my 4 year old for these reasons

  • he had several dry nights
  • mornings were the times he would wet
  • at times he would get into our bed at 6am; dry nappy and get out of bed an hour later wet

I came to the conclusion that it was entirely possible this habit was due to laziness.  Well, he has a nappy on, it's for pooping and weeing, so I'll use it.  Before the experiment, Luke had woken on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd of June wet.

I began by purchasing pullups, which we strictly called big boy undies.  On the third of June, we created a chart for the month of June.  I explained to Luke that when he was dry he would get a tick.  If he wet, he would get a cross.  If at the end of each week, he remained dry for that week, he would get a small surprise present.  The end of each week had a picture of a gift wrapped box.  His eyes lit up.  And if he remained dry for a whole month, he would get a big present.   He was so excited.  I told him he would be wearing big boy's undies to bed each night now and not nappies, and he needs to try really hard to get up to go to the toilet to keep his big boy undies dry.

WEEK 1                     DRY              HE GOT A SPIDERMAN2 QUILT COVER SET

WEEK2                      DRY              HE GOT SUPERMAN HEAT VISION TOY

WEEK3                      WET 1 DAY AFTER I HAD GIVEN HIM 2 CUPS OF WARM MILO BEFORE BED AND HIS COUSIN STAYED THE NIGHT- YES MUM, PUSHING IT THERE

                                                        SEVERAL MAY DISAGREE WITH THIS, BUT HE STILL GOT HIS SURPRISE TOY AT THE END.  I FELT THAT HE HAD BEEN DRY FOR TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AFTER STRUGGLING TO STAY DRY FOR A FEW DAYS.  I WANTED TO KEEP UP HIS CONFIDENCE.  HIS WET NIGHT COULD HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY TWO CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: COUSIN STAYING THE NIGHT AND STAYING UP TOO LATE AND OF COURSE THE MILO.  YES HE STILL WET, BUT HEY.....I FELT REALLY BAD.  :)

WEEK4                    WELL, WE HAVE TWO MORE SLEEPS BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH AND SO FAR HE HAS ONLY WET ONCE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EXPERIMENT.

I believe this is not suited to everyone, and stress emphatically to try this only if you feel the encouragement will help.  Not all children wet out of laziness.  There can be medical reasons associated with bedwetting, and as mentioned earlier, some children just do it when they are ready.  I would have discontinued the experiment immediately if I felt it put undue stress on him.  I spoke with a healthcare professional in week 3 to ensure I had not placed to much pressure on him.

When Luke wakes in the morning, the first thing he says is "look mum, my big boy undies are dry.  I want to tick my calendar."  Then we count the sleeps till his next surprise present.

Regardless of what happens over these next two sleeps, I believe this sleep dry chart was a great success and hope that it helps someone else.  I think the best part for me was, I had no expectations and really didn't think it would work.

UPDATE 30 JUNE 2006: FROM 4TH JUNE - 30TH JUNE 2006(27 NIGHTS) HE WOKE UP WET ONCE

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MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | MadMel
great idea :)
Looks like it worked well too :) I will be coming back to this when my sons are ready to be night trained... have to get them day trained first hehe


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blackwidowkate
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2007 | blackwidowkate
Rewards
Hi
I'm all for teaching kids with rewards but what happens when the rewards run out or do you have to have reward for a long time otherwise he may slip back to wetting again...
Just a thought....
Luv Deb


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      nomes
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | nomes
Rewards

After the month...he got his big present.  From then on, he got lots of praise.  He never asked for a present or reward.  Other children may expect it after some time, but fortunately, mine didn't.  I maintained verbal praise first and foremost throughout the exercise.  The method I used worked for my son, but variances can be made to suit each child.  I'm yet to go through this with my daughter...so I'll put in an update when the time comes....she's such a little minx...lol



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dolphins30
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | dolphins30
confidence

I totally agree with you there. children need  a confidence boost, and what you did, i think you did great. Everyone deals with good behaviour, and confidence boosts in their own way. I will try this on my daughter as she's in her 5th week of where she's only wearing nappies at night time now, and hardly wets the nappy



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Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | Jessgore
I would have given him the present too...

Sounds great... Fantastic Idea....   I would have given him the present too...  It was only once in the week and there were odds against him with chocolate milk...   :)



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TheMentorMom
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | TheMentorMom
Fantastic!
That is fantastic news Nomes!  Glad to hear the problem has been eliminated (no pun intended!).  Good to hear from you as well :)


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tinker79
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | tinker79
Charts
We did that one too. Now I do 5 cents for each poop my son does without making a mess. He usually wants 5 pennies instead of a nickel. He is only 3. So far he has done so well.


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michellei
October 2006 | michellei
charts
This is great advice, I will definatly using some of these ideas - thanks.


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JadieLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2006 | JadieLady
charts

i think charts are fantastic tools! you can find website with printable ones, or companieslike avon sell colourful ones with the wipedown surface.  kids loves charts. they love to filll things in. the suspense. thats why advent caladars would work WITHOUT chocolate.

but even more do kidsl ike money! i remember Konnah once had $12 in change in his tshirt pocket for about 2 weeks and wouldnt let it out of his sight. we eventually showed him the money bank and explained how it worked. which he also loved. ( the suspense of one day opening the piggy ban to find all the money inside!)



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cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2006 | cheleinkal
Brilliant
Well Done Nomes, well done Luke. 
My parenting philosophy is "Use what ever works for you".  I don't know how many of my "Mum's" (cllients) I said this to, they all seemed to feel pressure to be "politically correct" and do what ever the latest "How to parent" type book said.  I think life has so many daily, hourly minute by minute stresses and strains that why oh why would you want to take the long way around a problem that has a sign posted and well paved short cut.  If bribery or rewards or whatever you want to call it works then, ride that train all the way to the end of the line.  I have read some stuff on Minti where it has been mentioned that rewards etc. are not the best way to teach your kids, I think we to often lose focus of the big picture and that is that we want to be raising, responsible, reasonably mature, clear thinking, independant, emotionally strong and capable & respectful adults, if we get that in the end, does it matter if you said, "That's fantastic, what a good boy a dry big boy undie again" or
" Well that's 5 in a row, that's very good, keep up the good work". 
If you have raised a great Person in the end, nothing you chose to do to create this great person is going to be brought into question.

I say, bribe away, but if they were little presents what on earth are you getting him at the end of the month?????

Cheers
Chele


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      nomes
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2006 | nomes
Brilliant

ok, I see where you're coming from with the 'token' presents

the quilt cover set we picked up for a bargain $5 - on clearance

the heat vision toy was on special for just under $10

I didn't see the point of spending $2 at a thrift shop for something that will fall to bits in two seconds.

His final week/end of month gift was a pixel chix house, which he did choose.  We didn't discourage his choice as his cousin has one and Luke did play with it for ages, so we knew he would enjoy it.  He loves it.



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lindterbean
4.88 (Excellent) | June 2006 | lindterbean
calendar ticks
I think this is a wonderful idea. I hadn't thought of it for dry nights, but we did something similar for table manners and although it wasn't foolproof, it worked better than anything else I tried. The piggy bank idea is great too!


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TrishySwishy
4.41 (Good) | June 2006 | TrishySwishy
Dry Nights...

  Sounds like your doing a wonderful job.  I think that was an excellent idea!

  What happens next month though?  Are you going to keep the present part at the end of the week? 



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      nomes
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2006 | nomes
so what happens next month...

I have already thought about that Trishy.  We would be sent broke by keeping this up every month.  :)

 I have decided that everyday that he is dry, we will give him some money to put in his money box.  Then he can buy his own present at the end of each month, or do with it what he likes.  We are going to try and encourage him to save his dollars for something extra special.  We are not completely sure of the daily amount we will give him yet, but I think it might be around 50 cents.   What do you think? It doesn't seem alot, I know, but he's only four, and it'll be special none the less.  $15.00 per month I think is pretty good. 

As he gets older and takes on more responsibilites by doing household chores, we will pay him regular pocket money.  I do believe a dollar per age is the norm these days anyway.



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           cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2006 | cheleinkal
pocket money
I was talking to my girlfriend on the phone today and she told me about another friend of hers that has 3 kids and since they were four years of age (a set of twins M & F & an 15 mnth older M) they got gold stars on their individual charts for doing their chores, ie. puting their toys away at the end of the day (with help to begin with), eating all their meals, etc. etc. now they feed the animals make beds, do home work etc. but if and only if all their star places are completely full they get $25.00 at the end of the month.  Apparently the boys pool theirs and buy playstation2 games.  If they want a lunch order at school, they use their own money, same with special things they're into like comics or thos scoobie things for the girl.  I think teaching the value of money is a fantastic and important thing, and if they don't perform, it's a cheap month for the parents.

Kaching.


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                nomes
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2006 | nomes
pocket money
I continued the sleep dry chart for a second month, instead, I offered 50 cents per night that he was dry.  At the end of the month he got to spend the money on whatever he liked.  He spent it on a superman figurine.  He only wet once out of 31 days, which happened to be a night where he was quite unwell.  He did a great job.  Although he received a cross on that one night, I reminded him that he had so many more ticks than crosses and I was very proud of him for trying so hard.


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           TrishySwishy
4.41 (Good) | June 2006 | TrishySwishy
so what happens next month...
  Good Idea!  It definately is the "norm" for children to get an allowance anyways so why not start this way?  Also by putting his money in a bank he'll start learning about savings.  Great start I thinkGood luck and I hope he does just as well from here on in!


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                TrishySwishy
4.41 (Good) | June 2006 | TrishySwishy
so what happens next month...
I meant to say "piggy bank" by the way...don't want them growing up that fast....LOL!


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