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The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

cookclan by cookclan Young Parent(June 2007) (rank 3rd)
I am all for breastfeeding..It is natural and is made for bubby...Why wouldn't people want to breastfeed?  Okay this is constantly coming up an Minti and I have avoided it like the plague as I watch people be attacked and the hurt they feel from the statements that are made...It is high time someone said this and I am going to...Report the article if you like...This is my opinions and what I feel about the whole subject and as it has been said by many of you on here everyone has their right to an opinion...

In my family there is two of us...My older brother and me...My brother was born a healthy 8 pound 9 and breastfed well...He was fed for two years by my mother without a problem...Her problem being was actually getting him off it...He then grew up and went of to school where it was found that he had learning difficulties and was hyperactive...He also suffered alot of allergies food and also plant and pollen allergies...He struggled continually through school until the day he completed grade 12 and left with a TE score of 525 which is extrememly low...He did do his best and he still struggles with all the allergies in the world which he has passed onto his child....Hmmm

Mums second child was born...that would be me...I was bought into this world as a strong healthy baby at 10 pounds...Mum could not breast feed me as I was too hungry and was always starving...feeding anywhere up to every half an hour...i was a big baby so ON HER DOCTORS advice I was switched to Milk...I thrived from there and was always the perfect child...I went off to school and actually skipped a grade as the schools felt I was way ahead of my years...I left school in 1991 after completeing my grade 12 with a baby of my own with a TE score of 890...That was with a new child in tow and living on my own at 17...In other words I could have done better....

It is being said all the time all over minti that if you breastfeed that your child will have a better IQ and that your child will be this and that healthier and better off than a bottle fed baby...Well these are my thoughts and my opinions on the whole subject...

How can anyone say this? How can anyone know what an IQ of one Child would be if it was bottle fed to breast fed? They can't that is it...I don't care how many studies are done or what information is where...We are all unique and we all have different minds we are different people so how can anyone compare two totally differnt children by that? They can't.....

The constant debate on this topic is unreal...One I and alot of other Minti people avoid for their own reasons...Guess what Everyone Breastfeeding is not the only thing in life that makes for a well developed and well adjusted child...Having parents who love us Is one thing and a settled and stable home life is another...As your children get older and grow you will soon realise that even though breastfeeding is an important topic to you now it really is a small part of being a parent...

Because you have breastfed your child doesn't mean you will not have all the other problems that go along with having kids..You will still have to go through all the trials and most of all the teenage years....

Now as I said before breastfeeding is the natural way to feed your child but sadly this is not always possible for all mums...People who can not breastfeed for medical reasons or personal reasons should not be made to feel like they have failed their child...It Hurts and it is un needed and unfair...I have a friend who would not breastfeed any of her children because she had not recieved counselling for the fact she was interferred with as a child and feeding her babies made her uncomfotable...No I can not start to understand that nor am I about to judge her for that....

My mum said to me when I was a kid and it is something that has always stuck with me...When you go pointing the finger at people for doing what you think is wrong with their child always sit back and think when you point there is always three fingers pointing back at you...

These are just my thoughts I wanted to share...

Have a great day and have a good think before you press that add comment button...
Cheers
Angie
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tunky
February 9th | tunky
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Well said!



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NativeMama
5.00 (Excellent) | February 5th | NativeMama
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I was never able to breastfeed my kids for more than a few weeks. Mainly because of milk production issues. I had a nice nurse that told me that as long as your baby recieves some of the colostrum, thats good enough. Out of all 3 of my kids, only one suffered horrible problems growing up, and some of it was due to allergies I found out later. I respect and admire mommies that breastfeed thier babies for months or years..but just because a woman uses formula, she should not be considered less of a mother for it. 



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edithelizabeth2007
5.00 (Excellent) | December 2007 | edithelizabeth2007
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Hi Angie,

There are a lot emotions in the issue of breastfeeding. Just as it is very emotional to battle infertility it is very emotional to struggle with breastfeeding problems. In the end the mothering is more important than the milk but breastfeeding is an important and the most readily available natural avenue  (although not the only avenue)  parents have for learning about the needs of babies and young children.

For intance breastfeeding imposes mother-baby togetherness on the mother and biologically speaking the mother's body and breast are the natural habitat for the baby. This has vast implications of which most parents are unaware. (See Nils Bergman's presentation at  ILCA, the education self-study modules web page)

So even though in modern times mothers can choose to be away from their babies and toddlers and still breastfeed thanks to breast pumps at least by reflecting on the act of direct breastfeeding  mothers can see that mother-baby separation is an unnatural situation from a biological point of view, and that deviating from nature might have some negative consequences.

Most mothers don't really enjoy pumping and so pumping discourages mother-baby separation which is another way of saying breastfeeding encourages mothers to be more physically present to their baby than they might otherwise be if they were just making a purely intellectual or economic decision about how much time to spend with their babies.

Now there are a small number of women who have a hiccup in their biology and despite the best evidence-based breastfeeding medicine they will not be able to produce milk, but these mothers if they are taught the importance of mother-baby togetherness can mimic breastfeeding mothering behaviors while bottle-feeding so that their babies get as close as possible to the same "habitat" that they would have gotten while breastfeeding.

Many mothers who adopt babies these days are inducing lactation not just for the milk but for all of the related benefits of the breastfeeding "habitat" and mothering choices that the mothering hormones, oxytocin and prolactin produce.

An interesting element to your story is that your mom was able to breastfeed your sibling which means she learned a lot about mothering through breastfeeding the first time which she was able to apply to her mothering of you. She mostly likely mothered you in a very similar fashion as your sib because she applied everything she learned through breastfeeding to her mothering of you even though lactogenesis didn't commnece the way it should have after you were born.

In all likelihood she had undiagnosed gestational diabetes with you, but even if she was daignosed no one knew at that time that glucose metabolism is very important to milk-making. Today moms with delayed lactogenesis due to gestational diabetes (or other kinds of diabetes) can be treated with glucophage.

Another interesting facet of your story is your sib's issues. We know from population based studies that breastfed populations are not free of problems but we also know from these studies that breastfeeding while it can not cure every problem can ameliorate them. So while your sib had issues the issues probably would have been worse without breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is optimal nutrition and immunological support and most all medical conditions are ameliorated by optimal nutrition.

My mom was only able to nurse me briefly because she got lots of bad advice about scheduling breastfeeding 3 to 4 hours apart, but with my sib she was able to nurse 9 months because she had a community of support and good advice of other mothers through La Leche League.

When a mom has enough kids whether they were all breastfed or all bottle-fed she is going to see that they all come into this world with advantages and deficits. When you look at it this way you can see it was a bit of good luck that your mom was able to breastfeed her baby who probably needed it the most.

I am sorry for all moms who attempted breastfeeding but abandoned it because it wasn't going well. I was one of those moms with my first baby. With my second I got great help from a savy lactaion consultant. lactation consultants are like any other group of health professionals, some are great and some are mediocre. When a mom is not helped by the first board certified lactation consultant she sees she needs to go to another one. Sometimes she might need even to look for a third.

Nursing is a normal part of motherhood just as intercourse is a normal part of being married. When there are problems with intercourse being painful or not achieving pregnancy we turn over every rock we can in trying to find a solution. Only a very few women really have to accept that their breastfeeding problems cannot be fixed, just as only a very few couples have to settle for a life without intercourse or biological children, and we should support and grieve with those moms just as we wouold support and grieve with the infertile couple. 

Ultimately the mothering is more important than the milk, just as the parenting of a child is more important than sharing the same DNA with the child, but we can get the hierarchy of values right mothering and parenting, ahead of breastfeeding and pregnancy, without dismissing entirely the beauty and fulfillment  that comes with pregnancy, birth, and breastfeeding.

 



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Aaliyah
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2007 | Aaliyah
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I really liked reading your post.  I have difficulties breastfeeding and I am fortunate enough to at least have gotten to breastfeed each of my children for a maximum of 3 months.  It depressed me a bit because of all the pressures from my mom and others about breastfeeding and my pediatrician told me to ignore them.  She said to me...the biggest benefit your child gets out of the breast milk is from the first 3 months when they recieve all those good things.  Sure the breastmilk is great for babies but do not let anyone make you feel like you cheated your child out of something because you could not continue.  Be proud in the fact that you were able to give the most important months of the breastmilk.    I felt very happy after that and my children are very intelligent.  They are not lacking in affection and despite not being able to breastfeed for long, I have a very close bond with all of my children.  Again, thanks for your post. 


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lindterbean
3.55 (Good) | November 2007 | lindterbean
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I think it is clear that breastfeeding your child if you can do it is better for the child, but as in all child raising issues, there are no guarantees. We just try to do the best we can, and if we can't, we do the next best. I agree that many of the messages sent these days read a bit like if you don't breastfeed you are a horrible mother and your child will grow up sick and stupid, and I think that is the problem. We tried when our little one was born and after countless attempts, research, consultations with many specialists both hospital and home, aids purchased form the baby store. . . it didn't work out. I can confidently say we tried as hard as we could for two full months and it didn't work out. I felt horribly guilty and cried for two days, then had to suck it up and move on. Maybe he would have had a bit more of an advantage if we had managed it, but now we have to concentrate on giving him the best formula we can, watching over him healthwise and doing our best to stimulate his development physically and mental in other ways. No one thing is going to determine the welfare of a child. You have to consider the complete package.


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taniagirly
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | taniagirly
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Good point and good on you for saying it. I was breastfed, and so were my two sons, its a lovely experience and I hope to continue breastfeeding my baby until he is at least 18 months. I feel sorry for people who can't breastfeed because I know what a great experience it is and its so nice to know that I'm doing what nature intended and feeding my baby from the breast. I never judge people who give up on breastfeeding and instead try to help them. The thing I will never understand is why some people choose not to breastfeed without even trying. Unless like your friend they have had some issues in the past, I find it difficult to imagine why normal, loving mothers do not want to share this precious gift with their babies.


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kseers
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | kseers
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Great article.  You're right there is so much more in life - more concerns in raising children than how they are fed as babies.  Most of us don't know how we were fed until we have our own children and ask our Mums.  I know plenty of healthy, bright bottle fed babies - including me!

That said, I love breastfeeding and think - given the choice - it has so many benefits for our children.  Many people aren't given the choice.  They struggle with breastfeeding or are told "you can't" and turn to the bottle, which lets face it was developed to save children who couldn't feed.

My mother is still sad that she was never given the chance to try breastfeeding - when I was born it wasn't encouraged and she was told she just couldn't so she didn't.  I struggled with it for weeks and it took a long time to get my son to breastfeed - so he was both breast and bottle fed.  I was constantly told from birth "he can't" or "you can't" just give up and put him on the bottle.  Nobody could understand I wanted to try.

So, by all means, give people the option and don't judge  - but make sure they have the advice they need to make their own decision - on what is only one of a lifetime of decisions and struggles in parenting.


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HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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Thanks Angie,  It can't be said enough.  As long as the baby is fed and loved and safe, nothing else matters.

Angela



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why-in-the-heck
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | why-in-the-heck
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Kudos on the great article! I think the breastfeeding debate is a really important topic and as such there are a lot of people out there throwing around uneducated opinions. I was breastfed and as far as I know it's had no adverse effects on me whatsoever. While personal preference is crucial when deciding how to care for your child, it's also vital that women AND men get the facts and not just base their ideals on heresay.



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rdw206
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | rdw206
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what a great article.it was well written you expressed your own views, from experience as well as obviously some research andyou did not try to force them onto anybody, like some of the other articles i`ve read on the same topic.and you also did not put down people that bottle feed their children for various reasons.


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stacey79
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | stacey79
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great artical i heard on the news a couple of years ago now that they were doing tests as they thought that  breast feeding for a prolonged period was that have negitive side affects to the baby ie heart conditions im not sure how the studies came along never really looked it up but it is diffently something to thing about


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FremantleDocker
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | FremantleDocker
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Well done on a great article. I'm too sick of all the articles that only say breast is best. Youre right though about how people try and say that their children are smarter etc if they're breast fed, but all mine were on the bottle, because i couldn't produce any milk for any of my 5 children. I wouldve like to breast fed at least one of them, but i couldn't.

All my kids are bright, smart etc, and they've turned out perfectly alright. The one's that are at school, are above average, and are doing some of the next year level in class, and coping very well.

My youngest child though, is good with hands on things. She can beat anyone doing this, but she's got a speech problem called dyxpraxia, and she's behind in speech but speech therapists at her kindy are working on her, and has come along way.

I also avoid breast feeding topics as they annoy me also.

Another great article cookclan. Keep them coming. Most enjoyable, and so full of the truth. Well done



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Sukoso
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | Sukoso
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Great article Angie!  Thanks for sharing and helping mothers out there who choose to feed formula and yet by doing so - are made to feel guilty about doing so! 

I bottlefed my first - only cause the "breastfeeding is so easy, so much better" thing - didn't work for me.  It was the hardest thing I have ever had to do and my son just wouldn't take to it.  So he was bottlefed.  With my second I perservered on the breast and she was bf up til 10mths where she totally weaned herself and is now on formula.  It really comes down to not what others think but what is best for the mum and bub and also - what works best.  

You know how they say bf children have higher immunities ... well, I have a friend who bf all her 4 children up to the age of 3 and they would have to be the sickest family I know.  They are always getting allergies, colds, bugs etc!  Someones' been telling furbies in the medical industry    I think bf and formula have their pros and cons.  Again I say, do what works best for you, your bub and your sanity!



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injenuity
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | injenuity
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I'm new to Minti, so I suppose I shouldn't jump in to such a heated debate.  I'm just surprised anyone would state that breastfeeding increases the child's IQ.  This study was published last year with the following conclusion:
Conclusions Breast feeding has little or no effect on intelligence in children. While breast feeding has many advantages for the child and mother, enhancement of the child's intelligence is unlikely to be among them.
That said, I should mention I am on month 9 breastfeeding my son.  My daughter breastfed for the first 6 weeks and then I just could no longer stand the struggle with her.  I have no problem with either formula or breastfeeding.  I feel it is a choice a mother has to make based on reliable information and the needs of her baby.


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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
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On the lighter side - it doesn't seem to have any long term psychological affects on young male babies.  They all seem to grow up to love boobs, whether they are breast or bottle fed!  (Those who prefer the feminine sex anyway).



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      HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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And the ones who don't perfer the female may enjoy the male boobs...


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           llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | llmunchkin
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That's gross - surely even men don't like man boobs - hehehe!  I love bottles myself, I'd rather have a bottle than a boob any day - especially a bottle of champagne!


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                HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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Domestic-warrior
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Domestic-warrior
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Think this is a great article.  I have breastfed my three children and i'm all for it, if it can be done.  I had no problems with my first two but my third there were a few weeks where i felt like giving up.  He was latching on poorly, not gaining weight and refluxy.  It was VERY stressful and although i'm now glad i persevered, i can see why it may not work for some mothers and babies.  IQ and allergies?  Well, don't know about the IQ but both my older child have had eczema, i think there are other factors in play with that like food additives, environment not just BFing!  Why do we have to beat ourselves and each other up over this.  We should do whats right at the time for both mum and bub.  Julie


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rockclimbr4400
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | rockclimbr4400
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I love that you are all for what is best for the child. I tried breastfeeding, but I didn't have enough milk and basically mine was starving (which is why she cried ALL THE TIME and tried to nurse every 15 minutes) then we switched to the bottle, and she was an angel. Good article.


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Rose24
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Rose24
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Great Advice!



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avanliamsmum
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | avanliamsmum
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Great advice Angie... But I really wish the IQ and health issues wouldn't come into play when discussing breastfeeding and bottlefeeding. Why have I chosen to breastfed my 2 children? Probably because I enjoy it, and they do too. I also do it for convenience. I haven't done it so they don't get sick (we all get sick) and I haven't done it so they are the most intelligent people at school. Why mother's chose to breast feed or bottle feed is their own decision and one that no one should try to interfere with. There are really only two people who can decide whats best... The mum and bub.



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emmie
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | emmie
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wa hey well done angie well  said great advice

luv emz x



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mumofjtcb
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | mumofjtcb
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Hi Angie I was reading this and the whole time I was thinking "where was this when I needed it a couple of years ago?"

I could not breastfeed my son and I dont want to go into the details but he was put onto formula at a very early age. People would tell me he wont flourish as well mentally and physically yet he reached all his milestones very early (walking at 10 months, talking in sentences at 15months, says 450+ works by 2, tall and nice weight always around the 70th percentile). I was filled with guilt for months and months after I stopped and put him on formula but now I see that it has made no difference to him.

Having said that yes breast is natural and I will be trying again with my next baby because of the convenience.


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lisasmith140483
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | lisasmith140483
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WOO HOO THANKYOU i love it


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nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | nell18-3
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Great article Angie

Well said

I think there is far too much pressure on new Mums to do the "right thing"

The right thing is to do what works for you and the baby now what makes society happy.

I breastfed all four of mine, however my daughter gave up after a few weeks as it was not working for us

Breastfeeding is an individual choice for each Mum and their baby

xxx



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Jodie04
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Jodie04
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