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The breastfed debate...My views and opinions... |
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by cookclan (June 2007) (rank 11th) |
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I am all for breastfeeding..It is natural and is made for bubby...Why wouldn't people want to breastfeed? Okay this is constantly coming up an Minti and I have avoided it like the plague as I watch people be attacked and the hurt they feel from the statements that are made...It is high time someone said this and I am going to...Report the article if you like...This is my opinions and what I feel about the whole subject and as it has been said by many of you on here everyone has their right to an opinion...
In my family there is two of us...My older brother and me...My brother was born a healthy 8 pound 9 and breastfed well...He was fed for two years by my mother without a problem...Her problem being was actually getting him off it...He then grew up and went of to school where it was found that he had learning difficulties and was hyperactive...He also suffered alot of allergies food and also plant and pollen allergies...He struggled continually through school until the day he completed grade 12 and left with a TE score of 525 which is extrememly low...He did do his best and he still struggles with all the allergies in the world which he has passed onto his child....Hmmm
Mums second child was born...that would be me...I was bought into this world as a strong healthy baby at 10 pounds...Mum could not breast feed me as I was too hungry and was always starving...feeding anywhere up to every half an hour...i was a big baby so ON HER DOCTORS advice I was switched to Milk...I thrived from there and was always the perfect child...I went off to school and actually skipped a grade as the schools felt I was way ahead of my years...I left school in 1991 after completeing my grade 12 with a baby of my own with a TE score of 890...That was with a new child in tow and living on my own at 17...In other words I could have done better....
It is being said all the time all over minti that if you breastfeed that your child will have a better IQ and that your child will be this and that healthier and better off than a bottle fed baby...Well these are my thoughts and my opinions on the whole subject...
How can anyone say this? How can anyone know what an IQ of one Child would be if it was bottle fed to breast fed? They can't that is it...I don't care how many studies are done or what information is where...We are all unique and we all have different minds we are different people so how can anyone compare two totally differnt children by that? They can't.....
The constant debate on this topic is unreal...One I and alot of other Minti people avoid for their own reasons...Guess what Everyone Breastfeeding is not the only thing in life that makes for a well developed and well adjusted child...Having parents who love us Is one thing and a settled and stable home life is another...As your children get older and grow you will soon realise that even though breastfeeding is an important topic to you now it really is a small part of being a parent...
Because you have breastfed your child doesn't mean you will not have all the other problems that go along with having kids..You will still have to go through all the trials and most of all the teenage years....
Now as I said before breastfeeding is the natural way to feed your child but sadly this is not always possible for all mums...People who can not breastfeed for medical reasons or personal reasons should not be made to feel like they have failed their child...It Hurts and it is un needed and unfair...I have a friend who would not breastfeed any of her children because she had not recieved counselling for the fact she was interferred with as a child and feeding her babies made her uncomfotable...No I can not start to understand that nor am I about to judge her for that....
My mum said to me when I was a kid and it is something that has always stuck with me...When you go pointing the finger at people for doing what you think is wrong with their child always sit back and think when you point there is always three fingers pointing back at you...
These are just my thoughts I wanted to share...
Have a great day and have a good think before you press that add comment button...
Cheers
Angie
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Hi Angie,
There are a lot emotions in the issue of breastfeeding. Just as it is very emotional to battle infertility it is very emotional to struggle with breastfeeding problems. In the end the mothering is more important than the milk but breastfeeding is an important and the most readily available natural avenue (although not the only avenue) parents have for learning about the needs of babies and young children.
For intance breastfeeding imposes mother-baby togetherness on the mother and biologically speaking the mother's body and breast are the natural habitat for the baby. This has vast implications of which most parents are unaware. (See Nils Bergman's presentation at ILCA, the education self-study modules web page)
So even though in modern times mothers can choose to be away from their babies and toddlers and still breastfeed thanks to breast pumps at least by reflecting on the act of direct breastfeeding mothers can see that mother-baby separation is an unnatural situation from a biological point of view, and that deviating from nature might have some negative consequences.
Most mothers don't really enjoy pumping and so pumping discourages mother-baby separation which is another way of saying breastfeeding encourages mothers to be more physically present to their baby than they might otherwise be if they were just making a purely intellectual or economic decision about how much time to spend with their babies.
Now there are a small number of women who have a hiccup in their biology and despite the best evidence-based breastfeeding medicine they will not be able to produce milk, but these mothers if they are taught the importance of mother-baby togetherness can mimic breastfeeding mothering behaviors while bottle-feeding so that their babies get as close as possible to the same "habitat" that they would have gotten while breastfeeding.
Many mothers who adopt babies these days are inducing lactation not just for the milk but for all of the related benefits of the breastfeeding "habitat" and mothering choices that the mothering hormones, oxytocin and prolactin produce.
An interesting element to your story is that your mom was able to breastfeed your sibling which means she learned a lot about mothering through breastfeeding the first time which she was able to apply to her mothering of you. She mostly likely mothered you in a very similar fashion as your sib because she applied everything she learned through breastfeeding to her mothering of you even though lactogenesis didn't commnece the way it should have after you were born.
In all likelihood she had undiagnosed gestational diabetes with you, but even if she was daignosed no one knew at that time that glucose metabolism is very important to milk-making. Today moms with delayed lactogenesis due to gestational diabetes (or other kinds of diabetes) can be treated with glucophage.
Another interesting facet of your story is your sib's issues. We know from population based studies that breastfed populations are not free of problems but we also know from these studies that breastfeeding while it can not cure every problem can ameliorate them. So while your sib had issues the issues probably would have been worse without breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is optimal nutrition and immunological support and most all medical conditions are ameliorated by optimal nutrition.
My mom was only able to nurse me briefly because she got lots of bad advice about scheduling breastfeeding 3 to 4 hours apart, but with my sib she was able to nurse 9 months because she had a community of support and good advice of other mothers through La Leche League.
When a mom has enough kids whether they were all breastfed or all bottle-fed she is going to see that they all come into this world with advantages and deficits. When you look at it this way you can see it was a bit of good luck that your mom was able to breastfeed her baby who probably needed it the most.
I am sorry for all moms who attempted breastfeeding but abandoned it because it wasn't going well. I was one of those moms with my first baby. With my second I got great help from a savy lactaion consultant. lactation consultants are like any other group of health professionals, some are great and some are mediocre. When a mom is not helped by the first board certified lactation consultant she sees she needs to go to another one. Sometimes she might need even to look for a third.
Nursing is a normal part of motherhood just as intercourse is a normal part of being married. When there are problems with intercourse being painful or not achieving pregnancy we turn over every rock we can in trying to find a solution. Only a very few women really have to accept that their breastfeeding problems cannot be fixed, just as only a very few couples have to settle for a life without intercourse or biological children, and we should support and grieve with those moms just as we wouold support and grieve with the infertile couple.
Ultimately the mothering is more important than the milk, just as the parenting of a child is more important than sharing the same DNA with the child, but we can get the hierarchy of values right mothering and parenting, ahead of breastfeeding and pregnancy, without dismissing entirely the beauty and fulfillment that comes with pregnancy, birth, and breastfeeding.
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I think it is clear that breastfeeding your child if you can do it is better for the child, but as in all child raising issues, there are no guarantees. We just try to do the best we can, and if we can't, we do the next best. I agree that many of the messages sent these days read a bit like if you don't breastfeed you are a horrible mother and your child will grow up sick and stupid, and I think that is the problem. We tried when our little one was born and after countless attempts, research, consultations with many specialists both hospital and home, aids purchased form the baby store. . . it didn't work out. I can confidently say we tried as hard as we could for two full months and it didn't work out. I felt horribly guilty and cried for two days, then had to suck it up and move on. Maybe he would have had a bit more of an advantage if we had managed it, but now we have to concentrate on giving him the best formula we can, watching over him healthwise and doing our best to stimulate his development physically and mental in other ways. No one thing is going to determine the welfare of a child. You have to consider the complete package.
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Well done on a great article. I'm too sick of all the articles that only say breast is best. Youre right though about how people try and say that their children are smarter etc if they're breast fed, but all mine were on the bottle, because i couldn't produce any milk for any of my 5 children. I wouldve like to breast fed at least one of them, but i couldn't.
All my kids are bright, smart etc, and they've turned out perfectly alright. The one's that are at school, are above average, and are doing some of the next year level in class, and coping very well.
My youngest child though, is good with hands on things. She can beat anyone doing this, but she's got a speech problem called dyxpraxia, and she's behind in speech but speech therapists at her kindy are working on her, and has come along way.
I also avoid breast feeding topics as they annoy me also.
Another great article cookclan. Keep them coming. Most enjoyable, and so full of the truth. Well done
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Great article Angie
Well said
I think there is far too much pressure on new Mums to do the "right thing"
The right thing is to do what works for you and the baby now what makes society happy.
I breastfed all four of mine, however my daughter gave up after a few weeks as it was not working for us
Breastfeeding is an individual choice for each Mum and their baby
xxx
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I have thought long and hard about this before answering, because it is something that I am very passionate about and I suffer greatly from opening-mouth-to-change-feet -itis.
I'm a bottle-feeding mummy, and that is my choice and for my babies it is/was what is/was best for them.
My opinion? Is that no matter what, when it comes down to it, the only person who knows what is right for you and your baby is yourself. And that others should have the commonsense to not only understand this, but to also respect it. Whether you choose breast or bottle, we should expect to have the respect and understanding of our doctors, nurses, friends, family and total strangers.
I have seen in other places comments along the lines of "But the baby has no say in your decision to bottle-feed and not give it the 'best' start in life" This may be true, but in years to come I greatly doubt that my Kids are going to turn around and scream that they hate me & I ruined their life because I didn't breastfeed them, (because I grounded them, cut their pocket money - definately :P)
And Angie, I was bottlefed, I also did yr 12 in 91 and only got a TE score of 715 - and that was me trying to fail to annoy the hoohas out of my parents, nowadays I wonder how I would have done if I Had of tried to pass grade 12 lol!
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
GREAT ARTICLE ANGIE ,, I HAVE DONE IT BOTH WAYS ,, THE ONLY REASON WHY I DID BREAST FEED IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS JUST FOR THE ANTIBODIES FOR BUBBA ...
YOU ARE SOO RIGHT NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO BREAST FEED AND THEY SHOULDNT BE PUT DOWN FOR THAT EITHER ,, WE ALL GOT STORIES AND WANT TO DO THE BEST FOR OUR CHILDREN AND WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP DOING THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES ,, LOVING AND NUTRURING THEM AND TEACHING THEM ...I NEVER HERD THAT BECAUSE YOU BREASTFEED THAT THEIR IQ;S HIGHER ,,, IF THAT WAS TRUE THEM CAUSE I BREASTFEEB MY TWINS THEY SHOULDNT BE AS FAR BEHIND AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW AND MY TWO YEAR OLD SHOULDNT BE AS GIFTED AS HE IS ,, DOSENT MAKE MUCH SENCE TO ME
ALL BABIES ARE DIFFERNT
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thumbs up to you Angie    
I have bottle fed 2 kids and breastfed 2 kids.
With Joshua, I had had NO sleep in 48 hrs, a b/friend in one ear saying you have to breastfeed and my mother in the other ear saying, do what you like, what makes you feel comfortable.
With Lachlan, I put him straight on the breast after he was born. I hated the feeling, there was NO mother-son bond there and I just couldn't do it. I had also been through this labour without my husband, a very emotional time.
But.... with Dylan I decided to give it a go. I told my hubby and best friend in the labour room to turn around and not to watch me. In the first few weeeks, I also told everyone to mind their own business and I would appreciate not being disturbed while I was feeding. He fed till 5 mths, as I was so proud of myself for getting that for and giving it a go. With Shanae, there was NO question about it.... I would be breastfeeding and I got to 6 mths with her.
It broke my heart to stop, but as I'm not a keen water drinker my supply went BYE BYE.
To all you mothers who bottle feed, GOOD ON YA and to breastfeeding mothers, GOOD ON YA TOO.
I don't hold it against anyone who chooses to bottle feed, cause I've been there and every mother has the right to choose which way they want to feed their baby.
Thanks Angie for writing this advice, I think you have done a superb job. Cheers to ya
Shelley
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
My experience with breast feeding was not good and made so much worse by the clinic nurses and midwives at the hospital.
My milk did not come in for 6 days and NO they would not give my Baby milk. He lost a huge amount of wieght was totally dehydrated and cried all day and all night. A midwife finally gave him formula after I cried and pleaded. She still pointed out I was making the wrong decision for my Baby. Shame on me wanting to feed my starving child!
I did breastfeed when I got home and the clinic nurses kept telling me he was fine even though not putting on wieght and always unsettled. They said he was a petite baby as I am. By 9 weeks I put him on formula as well as breast milk and he has only powered ahead since. He has shot up on the growth chart when whilst only breastfed he went side ways on it.
At playgroup about 10 Mum's were having this discussion and 7 of the 10 had the same problem as me.
Breast feeding is good but it DON'T work for everyone and I am horrified that my baby was starved and had such a bad start to his life all for me being forced to do "the right thing"
They have also just had the debate on a tv show not long ago about the IQ thing. It is proven it has nothing to do with being breastfed AT ALL!!!
Sorry it's a long comment!
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Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Great article Angie.
For anyone that is interested please let me clarify the whole breastfeeding and IQ part. Studies have shown that BF babies have higher IQs. Big deal its only a few points difference so in an above average/gifted or average person this isn't going to make a whole lot of difference but on the blow average or mentally challenged (sorry I don't know what the PC term is) it can (doesn't mean guaranteed) mean the difference between living an independant life or needing full time care.
My son is very smart but my whole family has a high IQ so I don't believe that BF was the contributing factor.
My MIL is of the opinion that BF makes all the difference. 2 out of 3 of her kids were BF. The one that wasn't (My DP) was constantly sick as a child and has other problems that the other 2 children never had. I have lots of friends whose FF babies are constantly sick as I have one whose child is the picture of health. I also know a lady whose son is very ill and has severe allergies despite being breastfed but I also know many BF mothers whose children are healthy.
So there is always going to be anecdotal evidence that contradicts what research has found. This doesn't make the research invalid or incorrect.
I don't think any mother who chooses to FF is a bad mother, we all do what we can with what we are given and no matter what we do we are all great mothers.
PS yes Angie I had a good think before I pressed the add comment button. 
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Great article,totally agree 100%,I breast fed my babies for at least the first 8 weeks as I was told that it is best for baby and to give them the best start in life,usually after about that time with my 2 youngest children ,my body could not produce enough milk to satisfy my baby so they both went onto formular.Both these boys have problems ,one is an asthmatic and the other has learning difficulties posible ADD,we are in the middle of him being assessed for it.My oldest son now 15 has been on medication for ADHD since he was 7 he also had asthma for a few yrs until he grew out of it and had a lot of ear infections when he was younger,and he was breast fed for 6 months until he started biting ,and after a few to many bites I took him off and put him on to boiled cows milk and pentivite.He already had a very good appetite for solids.Now after my daughter was born (now 12)I suffered from Post Natal Depression so after 4 months of breast feeding I could not cope any longer and put her onto boiled cows milk also with pentivite.I started feeding all my children solids at 4 months,yes and others may not agree with this also but hey my choice.My daughter is my brightest and healtiest child and she was fed boiled cows milk from 4 months.I think it is all in the genetic make up and no amount of breast feeding is going to stop them from getting asthma or add or learning difficulties.What do you think we were fed on back in my age group if our mothers could not breast feed boiled cows milk or the old fashioned sunshine powdered milk.So these are my opinions nobody has to agree with me but i do not expect to be judged for it either ,as my children are now 15,soon to be 13 ,9 and 7 so they are not babies and is purely from my experience as a breast feeding ,formular feeding and boiled cows milk mother .
Cham
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