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The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

cookclan by cookclan Young Parent(June 2007) (rank 11th)
I am all for breastfeeding..It is natural and is made for bubby...Why wouldn't people want to breastfeed?  Okay this is constantly coming up an Minti and I have avoided it like the plague as I watch people be attacked and the hurt they feel from the statements that are
made...It is high time someone said this and I am going to...Report the article if you like...This is my opinions and what I feel about the whole subject and as it has been said by many of you on here everyone has their right to an opinion...

In my family there is two of us...My older brother and me...My brother was born a healthy 8 pound 9 and breastfed well...He was fed for two years by my mother without a problem...Her problem being was actually getting him off it...He then grew up and went of to school where it was found that he had learning difficulties and was hyperactive...He also suffered alot of allergies food and also plant and pollen allergies...He struggled continually through school until the day he completed grade 12 and left with a TE score of 525 which is extrememly low...He did do his best and he still struggles with all the allergies in the world which he has passed onto his child....Hmmm

Mums second child was born...that would be me...I was bought into this world as a strong healthy baby at 10 pounds...Mum could not breast feed me as I was too hungry and was always starving...feeding anywhere up to every half an hour...i was a big baby so ON HER DOCTORS advice I was switched to Milk...I thrived from there and was always the perfect child...I went off to school and actually skipped a grade as the schools felt I was way ahead of my years...I left school in 1991 after completeing my grade 12 with a baby of my own with a TE score of 890...That was with a new child in tow and living on my own at 17...In other words I could have done better....

It is being said all the time all over minti that if you breastfeed that your child will have a better IQ and that your child will be this and that healthier and better off than a bottle fed baby...Well these are my thoughts and my opinions on the whole subject...

How can anyone say this? How can anyone know what an IQ of one Child would be if it was bottle fed to breast fed? They can't that is it...I don't care how many studies are done or what information is where...We are all unique and we all have different minds we are different people so how can anyone compare two totally differnt children by that? They can't.....

The constant debate on this topic is unreal...One I and alot of other Minti people avoid for their own reasons...Guess what Everyone Breastfeeding is not the only thing in life that makes for a well developed and well adjusted child...Having parents who love us Is one thing and a settled and stable home life is another...As your children get older and grow you will soon realise that even though breastfeeding is an important topic to you now it really is a small part of being a parent...

Because you have breastfed your child doesn't mean you will not have all the other problems that go along with having kids..You will still have to go through all the trials and most of all the teenage years....

Now as I said before breastfeeding is the natural way to feed your child but sadly this is not always possible for all mums...People who can not breastfeed for medical reasons or personal reasons should not be made to feel like they have failed their child...It Hurts and it is un needed and unfair...I have a friend who would not breastfeed any of her children because she had not recieved counselling for the fact she was interferred with as a child and feeding her babies made her uncomfotable...No I can not start to understand that nor am I about to judge her for that....

My mum said to me when I was a kid and it is something that has always stuck with me...When you go pointing the finger at people for doing what you think is wrong with their child always sit back and think when you point there is always three fingers pointing back at you...

These are just my thoughts I wanted to share...

Have a great day and have a good think before you press that add comment button...
Cheers
Angie
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tunky
February 2008 | tunky
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Well said!



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NativeMama
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | NativeMama
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I was never able to breastfeed my kids for more than a few weeks. Mainly because of milk production issues. I had a nice nurse that told me that as long as your baby recieves some of the colostrum, thats good enough. Out of all 3 of my kids, only one suffered horrible problems growing up, and some of it was due to allergies I found out later. I respect and admire mommies that breastfeed thier babies for months or years..but just because a woman uses formula, she should not be considered less of a mother for it. 



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edithelizabeth2007
5.00 (Excellent) | December 2007 | edithelizabeth2007
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Hi Angie,

There are a lot emotions in the issue of breastfeeding. Just as it is very emotional to battle infertility it is very emotional to struggle with breastfeeding problems. In the end the mothering is more important than the milk but breastfeeding is an important and the most readily available natural avenue  (although not the only avenue)  parents have for learning about the needs of babies and young children.

For intance breastfeeding imposes mother-baby togetherness on the mother and biologically speaking the mother's body and breast are the natural habitat for the baby. This has vast implications of which most parents are unaware. (See Nils Bergman's presentation at  ILCA, the education self-study modules web page)

So even though in modern times mothers can choose to be away from their babies and toddlers and still breastfeed thanks to breast pumps at least by reflecting on the act of direct breastfeeding  mothers can see that mother-baby separation is an unnatural situation from a biological point of view, and that deviating from nature might have some negative consequences.

Most mothers don't really enjoy pumping and so pumping discourages mother-baby separation which is another way of saying breastfeeding encourages mothers to be more physically present to their baby than they might otherwise be if they were just making a purely intellectual or economic decision about how much time to spend with their babies.

Now there are a small number of women who have a hiccup in their biology and despite the best evidence-based breastfeeding medicine they will not be able to produce milk, but these mothers if they are taught the importance of mother-baby togetherness can mimic breastfeeding mothering behaviors while bottle-feeding so that their babies get as close as possible to the same "habitat" that they would have gotten while breastfeeding.

Many mothers who adopt babies these days are inducing lactation not just for the milk but for all of the related benefits of the breastfeeding "habitat" and mothering choices that the mothering hormones, oxytocin and prolactin produce.

An interesting element to your story is that your mom was able to breastfeed your sibling which means she learned a lot about mothering through breastfeeding the first time which she was able to apply to her mothering of you. She mostly likely mothered you in a very similar fashion as your sib because she applied everything she learned through breastfeeding to her mothering of you even though lactogenesis didn't commnece the way it should have after you were born.

In all likelihood she had undiagnosed gestational diabetes with you, but even if she was daignosed no one knew at that time that glucose metabolism is very important to milk-making. Today moms with delayed lactogenesis due to gestational diabetes (or other kinds of diabetes) can be treated with glucophage.

Another interesting facet of your story is your sib's issues. We know from population based studies that breastfed populations are not free of problems but we also know from these studies that breastfeeding while it can not cure every problem can ameliorate them. So while your sib had issues the issues probably would have been worse without breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is optimal nutrition and immunological support and most all medical conditions are ameliorated by optimal nutrition.

My mom was only able to nurse me briefly because she got lots of bad advice about scheduling breastfeeding 3 to 4 hours apart, but with my sib she was able to nurse 9 months because she had a community of support and good advice of other mothers through La Leche League.

When a mom has enough kids whether they were all breastfed or all bottle-fed she is going to see that they all come into this world with advantages and deficits. When you look at it this way you can see it was a bit of good luck that your mom was able to breastfeed her baby who probably needed it the most.

I am sorry for all moms who attempted breastfeeding but abandoned it because it wasn't going well. I was one of those moms with my first baby. With my second I got great help from a savy lactaion consultant. lactation consultants are like any other group of health professionals, some are great and some are mediocre. When a mom is not helped by the first board certified lactation consultant she sees she needs to go to another one. Sometimes she might need even to look for a third.

Nursing is a normal part of motherhood just as intercourse is a normal part of being married. When there are problems with intercourse being painful or not achieving pregnancy we turn over every rock we can in trying to find a solution. Only a very few women really have to accept that their breastfeeding problems cannot be fixed, just as only a very few couples have to settle for a life without intercourse or biological children, and we should support and grieve with those moms just as we wouold support and grieve with the infertile couple. 

Ultimately the mothering is more important than the milk, just as the parenting of a child is more important than sharing the same DNA with the child, but we can get the hierarchy of values right mothering and parenting, ahead of breastfeeding and pregnancy, without dismissing entirely the beauty and fulfillment  that comes with pregnancy, birth, and breastfeeding.

 



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Aaliyah
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2007 | Aaliyah
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I really liked reading your post.  I have difficulties breastfeeding and I am fortunate enough to at least have gotten to breastfeed each of my children for a maximum of 3 months.  It depressed me a bit because of all the pressures from my mom and others about breastfeeding and my pediatrician told me to ignore them.  She said to me...the biggest benefit your child gets out of the breast milk is from the first 3 months when they recieve all those good things.  Sure the breastmilk is great for babies but do not let anyone make you feel like you cheated your child out of something because you could not continue.  Be proud in the fact that you were able to give the most important months of the breastmilk.    I felt very happy after that and my children are very intelligent.  They are not lacking in affection and despite not being able to breastfeed for long, I have a very close bond with all of my children.  Again, thanks for your post. 


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lindterbean
3.55 (Good) | November 2007 | lindterbean
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I think it is clear that breastfeeding your child if you can do it is better for the child, but as in all child raising issues, there are no guarantees. We just try to do the best we can, and if we can't, we do the next best. I agree that many of the messages sent these days read a bit like if you don't breastfeed you are a horrible mother and your child will grow up sick and stupid, and I think that is the problem. We tried when our little one was born and after countless attempts, research, consultations with many specialists both hospital and home, aids purchased form the baby store. . . it didn't work out. I can confidently say we tried as hard as we could for two full months and it didn't work out. I felt horribly guilty and cried for two days, then had to suck it up and move on. Maybe he would have had a bit more of an advantage if we had managed it, but now we have to concentrate on giving him the best formula we can, watching over him healthwise and doing our best to stimulate his development physically and mental in other ways. No one thing is going to determine the welfare of a child. You have to consider the complete package.


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taniagirly
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | taniagirly
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Good point and good on you for saying it. I was breastfed, and so were my two sons, its a lovely experience and I hope to continue breastfeeding my baby until he is at least 18 months. I feel sorry for people who can't breastfeed because I know what a great experience it is and its so nice to know that I'm doing what nature intended and feeding my baby from the breast. I never judge people who give up on breastfeeding and instead try to help them. The thing I will never understand is why some people choose not to breastfeed without even trying. Unless like your friend they have had some issues in the past, I find it difficult to imagine why normal, loving mothers do not want to share this precious gift with their babies.


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kseers
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | kseers
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Great article.  You're right there is so much more in life - more concerns in raising children than how they are fed as babies.  Most of us don't know how we were fed until we have our own children and ask our Mums.  I know plenty of healthy, bright bottle fed babies - including me!

That said, I love breastfeeding and think - given the choice - it has so many benefits for our children.  Many people aren't given the choice.  They struggle with breastfeeding or are told "you can't" and turn to the bottle, which lets face it was developed to save children who couldn't feed.

My mother is still sad that she was never given the chance to try breastfeeding - when I was born it wasn't encouraged and she was told she just couldn't so she didn't.  I struggled with it for weeks and it took a long time to get my son to breastfeed - so he was both breast and bottle fed.  I was constantly told from birth "he can't" or "you can't" just give up and put him on the bottle.  Nobody could understand I wanted to try.

So, by all means, give people the option and don't judge  - but make sure they have the advice they need to make their own decision - on what is only one of a lifetime of decisions and struggles in parenting.


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HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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Thanks Angie,  It can't be said enough.  As long as the baby is fed and loved and safe, nothing else matters.

Angela



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why-in-the-heck
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | why-in-the-heck
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Kudos on the great article! I think the breastfeeding debate is a really important topic and as such there are a lot of people out there throwing around uneducated opinions. I was breastfed and as far as I know it's had no adverse effects on me whatsoever. While personal preference is crucial when deciding how to care for your child, it's also vital that women AND men get the facts and not just base their ideals on heresay.



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rdw206
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | rdw206
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what a great article.it was well written you expressed your own views, from experience as well as obviously some research andyou did not try to force them onto anybody, like some of the other articles i`ve read on the same topic.and you also did not put down people that bottle feed their children for various reasons.


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stacey79
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | stacey79
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great artical i heard on the news a couple of years ago now that they were doing tests as they thought that  breast feeding for a prolonged period was that have negitive side affects to the baby ie heart conditions im not sure how the studies came along never really looked it up but it is diffently something to thing about


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FremantleDocker
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | FremantleDocker
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Well done on a great article. I'm too sick of all the articles that only say breast is best. Youre right though about how people try and say that their children are smarter etc if they're breast fed, but all mine were on the bottle, because i couldn't produce any milk for any of my 5 children. I wouldve like to breast fed at least one of them, but i couldn't.

All my kids are bright, smart etc, and they've turned out perfectly alright. The one's that are at school, are above average, and are doing some of the next year level in class, and coping very well.

My youngest child though, is good with hands on things. She can beat anyone doing this, but she's got a speech problem called dyxpraxia, and she's behind in speech but speech therapists at her kindy are working on her, and has come along way.

I also avoid breast feeding topics as they annoy me also.

Another great article cookclan. Keep them coming. Most enjoyable, and so full of the truth. Well done



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Sukoso
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | Sukoso
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Great article Angie!  Thanks for sharing and helping mothers out there who choose to feed formula and yet by doing so - are made to feel guilty about doing so! 

I bottlefed my first - only cause the "breastfeeding is so easy, so much better" thing - didn't work for me.  It was the hardest thing I have ever had to do and my son just wouldn't take to it.  So he was bottlefed.  With my second I perservered on the breast and she was bf up til 10mths where she totally weaned herself and is now on formula.  It really comes down to not what others think but what is best for the mum and bub and also - what works best.  

You know how they say bf children have higher immunities ... well, I have a friend who bf all her 4 children up to the age of 3 and they would have to be the sickest family I know.  They are always getting allergies, colds, bugs etc!  Someones' been telling furbies in the medical industry    I think bf and formula have their pros and cons.  Again I say, do what works best for you, your bub and your sanity!



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injenuity
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | injenuity
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I'm new to Minti, so I suppose I shouldn't jump in to such a heated debate.  I'm just surprised anyone would state that breastfeeding increases the child's IQ.  This study was published last year with the following conclusion:
Conclusions Breast feeding has little or no effect on intelligence in children. While breast feeding has many advantages for the child and mother, enhancement of the child's intelligence is unlikely to be among them.
That said, I should mention I am on month 9 breastfeeding my son.  My daughter breastfed for the first 6 weeks and then I just could no longer stand the struggle with her.  I have no problem with either formula or breastfeeding.  I feel it is a choice a mother has to make based on reliable information and the needs of her baby.


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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
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On the lighter side - it doesn't seem to have any long term psychological affects on young male babies.  They all seem to grow up to love boobs, whether they are breast or bottle fed!  (Those who prefer the feminine sex anyway).



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      HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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And the ones who don't perfer the female may enjoy the male boobs...


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           llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | llmunchkin
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That's gross - surely even men don't like man boobs - hehehe!  I love bottles myself, I'd rather have a bottle than a boob any day - especially a bottle of champagne!


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                HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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Domestic-warrior
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Domestic-warrior
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Think this is a great article.  I have breastfed my three children and i'm all for it, if it can be done.  I had no problems with my first two but my third there were a few weeks where i felt like giving up.  He was latching on poorly, not gaining weight and refluxy.  It was VERY stressful and although i'm now glad i persevered, i can see why it may not work for some mothers and babies.  IQ and allergies?  Well, don't know about the IQ but both my older child have had eczema, i think there are other factors in play with that like food additives, environment not just BFing!  Why do we have to beat ourselves and each other up over this.  We should do whats right at the time for both mum and bub.  Julie


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rockclimbr4400
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | rockclimbr4400
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I love that you are all for what is best for the child. I tried breastfeeding, but I didn't have enough milk and basically mine was starving (which is why she cried ALL THE TIME and tried to nurse every 15 minutes) then we switched to the bottle, and she was an angel. Good article.


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Rose24
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Rose24
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Great Advice!



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avanliamsmum
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | avanliamsmum
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Great advice Angie... But I really wish the IQ and health issues wouldn't come into play when discussing breastfeeding and bottlefeeding. Why have I chosen to breastfed my 2 children? Probably because I enjoy it, and they do too. I also do it for convenience. I haven't done it so they don't get sick (we all get sick) and I haven't done it so they are the most intelligent people at school. Why mother's chose to breast feed or bottle feed is their own decision and one that no one should try to interfere with. There are really only two people who can decide whats best... The mum and bub.



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emmie
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | emmie
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wa hey well done angie well  said great advice

luv emz x



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mumofjtcb
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | mumofjtcb
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Hi Angie I was reading this and the whole time I was thinking "where was this when I needed it a couple of years ago?"

I could not breastfeed my son and I dont want to go into the details but he was put onto formula at a very early age. People would tell me he wont flourish as well mentally and physically yet he reached all his milestones very early (walking at 10 months, talking in sentences at 15months, says 450+ works by 2, tall and nice weight always around the 70th percentile). I was filled with guilt for months and months after I stopped and put him on formula but now I see that it has made no difference to him.

Having said that yes breast is natural and I will be trying again with my next baby because of the convenience.


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lisasmith140483
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | lisasmith140483
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WOO HOO THANKYOU i love it


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nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | nell18-3
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Great article Angie

Well said

I think there is far too much pressure on new Mums to do the "right thing"

The right thing is to do what works for you and the baby now what makes society happy.

I breastfed all four of mine, however my daughter gave up after a few weeks as it was not working for us

Breastfeeding is an individual choice for each Mum and their baby

xxx



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Jodie04
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Jodie04
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I have to agree with your article with the breast feeding debate. I was bottle fed and had problems with allergies and I didn't finish school to know how I did...

Then I had my daughter at 18 and I was determined to be a good younger mother and I breastfed her and she suffered allergies. Then having to go back to work I decided to put her on the bottle as it was more convienient than pumping and she grew heathy and was happy. She is now 16 and at the top of her class.     My other 3 have been breast fed with the exception of my 6 yr old , having radiation I had to stop and put him on the bottle and he is the healthiest bundle of joy.

After all life is about choices and we have the free will to choose what we feel is right for our lives and situations. Being a parent is hard enough without the guilt trips. Don't you agree...



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sanersti
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | sanersti
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I have thought long and hard about this before answering, because it is something that I am very passionate about and I suffer greatly from opening-mouth-to-change-feet -itis.

I'm a bottle-feeding mummy, and that is my choice and for my babies it is/was what is/was best for them.

My opinion?  Is that no matter what, when it comes down to it, the only person who knows what is right for you and your baby is yourself.  And that others should have the commonsense to not only understand this, but to also respect it.  Whether you choose breast or bottle, we should expect to have the respect and understanding of our doctors, nurses, friends, family and total strangers.

I have seen in other places comments along the lines of "But the baby has no say in your decision to bottle-feed and not give it the 'best' start in life"  This may be true, but in years to come I greatly doubt that my Kids are going to turn around and scream that they hate me & I ruined their life because I didn't breastfeed them, (because I grounded them, cut their pocket money - definately :P)

And Angie, I was bottlefed, I also did yr 12 in 91 and only got a TE score of 715 - and that was me trying to fail to annoy the hoohas out of my parents, nowadays I wonder how I would have done if I Had of tried to pass grade 12 lol!


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
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Oh the good old TE score hey...hehe..thanks for your comment matey...Cheers Angie


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vlooi
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | vlooi
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I agree with most of this.  Your boobs are there and were designed purely to feed your baby in in years gone by when if for what ever reason a woman couldn't feed, the baby invariably died as there was not the option to bottle feed.  Now we have this option and I believe it should be used responsibly.  The first milk a baby gets from its mother has a lot of antibodies in that help the baby fight any infections that the mother may have been exposed to in the past.  This is an important stage when babies are very young.  This does however not mean that the baby will not survive if not breastfed, but only that baby will not have the protective antibodies from mum.  In my view - again only my view - a mother ought to try and feed the baby in order to give them the best start, but if this should not work out, or if there is some other reason she can't, she should not be made to feel guilty about it.  She has to come to terms with this and accept that what she is doing is in her case, the best for the baby.  What I do have a problem with is mothers who will not even consider breastfeeding, simply because it will "ruin" their figures.  But again, this is my problem and mothers have to make their own minds up.  They have to live with the decisions they make and they will know if it was for the right reason or not.  There is no harsher judge of yourself, than one self.


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
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I have to agree with you on the last line you wrote..There is no harsher judge of yourself than yourself..Thanks for your comment...Cheers Angie


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Frontier
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Frontier
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Ok, here is my take on the breast feeding thing that somehow has to be debated.

You gotta feed yur kids ladies breast or bottle, whatever works best for you.

Feed em, luv em, and they should do ok and you should be happy you did what you thought was best.

You don't need to know the consensus of people who are not walking your path in life, you just need to know you can feed em and luv em .

When you get past that stage you can teach em, and let them make mistakes and when they do just feed em and luv em.


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
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Absolutely agree with you frontier..Feed them Luv them and you are doing your best...thanks for your comment..Cheers Angie


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Shamali
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Shamali
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Excellent... perhaps what I should have written and then my comments wouldn't be deleted hehe... oh call me a rebel! I think i should print this out and post it on our local clinic. Recently my friend was unable to feed her baby due to cracked and bleeding nipples (they were shocking) her two week old was starving  so she went to the hospital hoping to get some formula as it was midnight and they turned her away and said, "Goodluck finding formula this hour of the night! We don't stock any as we support the breast feeding association!" How terrible was that! I don't have a preference, if you can feed GREAt if you can't, then that's fine also... due what is best for YOU and your BABY!!!


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      jimannakateen
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | jimannakateen
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I cant believe that!!! Thats shocking..... all hospital have to stock formula for those babies that are born prem or have reations to mothers milk like my youngest or even drug induced mothers given birth. Well i know in Australia all hospital keeps formula even though they are believe in the breastfeeding. The hospital i had my kids in Had the breastfeeding association clinic down stairs but they gave my babies formuls bec one was life and death and the other one was really sick from my milk. I would of takin that further that bad to refuse a mother in that position formula just to get by b4 a chemist was open ect.

Hugs Tee 



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           Shamali
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Shamali
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Unreal I know and this is in Qld! I gave birth to my eldest there 5 years ago and they didn't stock it then either as I was unable to breastfeed and we were told to bring it in as they didn't stock it. Back then I didn't know the reason until my friends incident. My friend had to try to express and feed and all she was producing was blood, sorry to be so graphic, but just where do you draw the line? I wouldn't want to drink milk like that so why would we expect our babies to? GROSS!


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                cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Wow I had mine all in Qld And they all had formula that is terrible.....I am disgusted....That is so wrong....Thanks for your coment...Your poor friend I still can't believe a hospital would do that Geez....Cheers Angie


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jimannakateen
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | jimannakateen
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Great article and well done but you will  find lots of opions on this topic!

Well all i have to say on this matter is i didnt get a choice,  my babies decided for me so im not for or against breastfeeding!  In one hospital they were all for breastfeeding and the other all for bottle but hey who is going to tell us what to do!!!  Both my kids ended up on the bottle  and i cant complain and if it wasnt for the bottle with my first she would probely not survived and the next one just didnt like it .  Well done!! Hugz Tee



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks Tee...Nikita was actually taken off the breast in the hospital I was in as I was so sick and the medication they gave me was no good for her...So without Bottles she would have died....Cheers Angie


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MummaBear
4.48 (Good) | June 2007 | MummaBear
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I was treated really badly for breastfeeding.  I did what was natural and I felt that my baby had a right to access breastmilk regardless of what some snobby clinic nurse had to say about it.  She tried to give me all these reasons to stop feeding.  Her growth wasn't following the chart, I had mastitis and had to stop, her poo would be firmer.  Breastfed babies don't follow those charts, they are based on formula fed babies of the 50s.  The WHO has a growth chart out now and that's more accurate for the normal, healthy baby in today's society.  Having mastitis does not mean you have to stop breastfeeding.  I had it 3 times, the second time was really bad and the best thing to do is to allow the baby to have shorter, more frequent feeds from that side.  As for the poo, who cares if it's a runny mustard colour? It doesn't smell when they're breastfed and I'd rather that kind of poo personally.  That's just my thoughts on it.  I found no support for breastfeeding but persisted because it was designed for her.  Formula isn't designed for individual babies like breastmilk is.  She's the smartes little kid I've met of her age and often people comment on how she's small for her age because they think she's 5 or 6 when she's really tall for her age and isn't yet 4.


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      cookclan
4.50 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I am glad that you felt you could keep going Jodi but with alot of people it is not that easy...And I don't judge them for their decision to stop either...Each to their own...I think alot of parents think that their little ones are the smartest ones they know...LOL not saying she isnt smart so don't get me wrong there either...Thanks for your comment...


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      blackwidowkate
4.14 (Good) | June 2007 | blackwidowkate
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Hi
Mastitis affects everyone differently and yes it is no excuse to stop breast feeding for some but when you are receiving 4 injections per day and can hardly walk and are very ill, it is safer not to breastfeed.
The breast feeding association that i was with said I could go 2 ways.  One was to get over the bulk of the infection and then start again with 1 min then top up with  formula then increase this over the weeks until i was breast feeding fully and risk all the high dose antibiotics i was on passing to bub or to take up bottle feeding on a permanent basis.  Being so sick myself the latter was the easiest option. This way my baby could get the proper care she needed from my mum and her father.  I felt guilty because of choosing this way and surprisingly enough it was a lactation consultant that helped me through it saying that not all mums can breastfeed succesfully and i was not to feel guilty. She said it was better that I was calm and happy than worry about breast feeding
Just my story
Luv Deb


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Gypsie
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Gypsie
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Well done Angie.....Great article.....You certainly have a way with words,

that's why your articles always make for great reading. Thanks.

On that note....I have done both...breastfed 1 child and bottlefed 1 child.

The only difference is the price....Formula is not cheap...lol



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Im hearing you there Matey formula can be expensive for sure...Thanks for your comment..Mwah


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Deborahsc2203
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Deborahsc2203
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

GREAT ARTICLE ANGIE ,, I HAVE DONE IT BOTH WAYS ,, THE ONLY REASON WHY I DID BREAST FEED IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS JUST FOR THE ANTIBODIES FOR BUBBA ...

YOU ARE SOO RIGHT NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO BREAST FEED AND THEY SHOULDNT BE PUT DOWN FOR THAT EITHER ,, WE ALL GOT STORIES AND WANT TO DO THE BEST FOR OUR CHILDREN AND WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP DOING THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES ,, LOVING AND NUTRURING THEM AND TEACHING THEM ...I NEVER HERD THAT BECAUSE YOU BREASTFEED THAT THEIR IQ;S HIGHER ,,, IF THAT WAS TRUE THEM CAUSE I BREASTFEEB MY TWINS THEY SHOULDNT BE AS FAR BEHIND AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW AND MY TWO YEAR OLD SHOULDNT BE AS GIFTED AS HE IS ,, DOSENT MAKE MUCH SENCE TO ME

ALL BABIES ARE DIFFERNT



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks for your comment hunni mwah


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janicepovey
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | janicepovey
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Great Article Angie as always,very well written. Mothers done need anymore pressure put on them, just as long as the baby is healthy and happy that's all that matters.

 Regards janice



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Spot on Janice..Thanks for commenting....Mwah


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rae44
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | rae44
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Great article Angie, thanks for getting this message out there. This is exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words. I breastfed then bottlefed both of my kids but the guilt that I received once the bottle came out was very hard to take. I think we have enough "mother guilt" the moment we become mothers, and this is just one more added drama that is not needed.Thanks Angie a little guilt is relieved just by reading this

xx's Rach



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Hi Rach we carry enough guilt I reckon without something else on top..We do what we think is best at the time...Breast fed bottle fed really who cares as long as our kids a healthy and happy....


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           rae44
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | rae44
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

I agree Ang I don't think I ever knew the real feeling of guilt till I had kids. I've already worked out that " You can't please everyone!" So I am doing what I feel is the best I can do with the situation, whatever it is 'to work or not ,to breastfeed to bottle feed,  dummy or no dummy,' Each situation is different as is each child.

Thanks Angie



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                cookclan
4.20 (Good) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
You go Girl....hehehe...Mwah


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Shellshell
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Shellshell
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Thumbs up to you Angie

I have bottle fed 2 kids and breastfed 2 kids.

 With Joshua, I had had NO sleep in 48 hrs, a b/friend in one ear saying you have to breastfeed and my mother in the other ear saying, do what you like, what makes you feel comfortable.

With Lachlan, I put him straight on the breast after he was born. I hated the feeling, there was NO mother-son bond there and I just couldn't do it. I had also been through this labour without my husband, a very emotional time.

But.... with Dylan I decided to give it a go. I told my hubby and best friend in the labour room to turn around and not to watch me. In the first few weeeks, I also told everyone to mind their own business and I would appreciate not being disturbed while I was feeding. He fed till 5 mths, as I was so proud of myself for getting that for and giving it a go. With Shanae, there was NO question about it.... I would be breastfeeding and I got to 6 mths with her.

It broke my heart to stop, but as I'm not a keen water drinker my supply went BYE BYE. 

To all you mothers who bottle feed, GOOD ON YA and to breastfeeding mothers, GOOD ON YA TOO.

I don't hold it against anyone who chooses to bottle feed, cause I've been there and every mother has the right to choose which way they want to feed their baby.

Thanks Angie for writing this advice, I think you have done a superb job. Cheers to ya

 Shelley



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
GOOD ON YA SHELL for leaving a comment....HEHEHE....Mwah Matey


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zacsmum
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | zacsmum
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

My experience with breast feeding was not good and made so much worse by the clinic nurses and midwives at the hospital.

My milk did not come in for 6 days and NO they would not give my Baby milk. He lost a huge amount of wieght was totally dehydrated and cried all day and all night. A  midwife finally gave him formula after I cried and pleaded. She still pointed out I was making the wrong decision for my Baby. Shame on me wanting to feed my starving child!

I did breastfeed when I got home and the clinic nurses kept telling me he was fine even though not putting on wieght and always unsettled. They said he was a petite baby as I am. By 9 weeks I put him on formula as well as breast milk and he has only powered ahead since. He has shot up on the growth chart when whilst only breastfed he went side ways on it.

At playgroup about 10 Mum's were having this discussion and 7 of the 10 had the same problem as me.

Breast feeding is good but it DON'T work for everyone and I am horrified that my baby was starved and had such a bad start to his life all for me being forced to do "the right thing"

They have also just had the debate on a tv show not long ago about the IQ thing. It is proven it has nothing to do with being breastfed AT ALL!!!

Sorry it's a long comment!

 



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I think most of us do try to breast feed...And if we don't we have valid reasons for not doing it..The clinic nurses should never have done that..Thats terrible..I am sorry you had such a hard time...But hopefully you feel no guilt for not feeding your little one...Cause it isn't needed..Thanks for your comment matey it is appreciated....


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Kellzacar
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Kellzacar
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thankyou ang


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Your welcome Alana...Mwah...Lol


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hermy
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | hermy
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
i have breast feed all my children, all to differents ages......but that does not mean that i would ever put any mother down for not breast feeding......i believe what you say Angie.....it's not all about breast feeding....it's about you as a parent the love and other things you give your children.....i have a few friends who have chosen not to breast feed, for their own personal reasons, it does not make them any less better than any other parent..... great article.....you are a great person for writting it ....well done..... regards Sandra xxx


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      cookclan
4.67 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I would never judge someone either on what they choose to do...I think a happy comfotable mum makes for a happy contented bub....Thanks for your comment Sandra


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mumof2b
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | mumof2b
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Thank you so much for doing this Angie.....

Both my boys were bottle fed for my own reasons, it shouldn't matter to anyone else why I did it, my boys are healthy, loved and as I said in the Q & A ,very intelligent.  It hurts when people pass judgement and tell you, you should be doing this and doing that......People can have their opinions as long as it isn't crossing the line to telling people what is right and wrong and forcing opinions!

Angie, I can't thank you enough....you're amazing!! I think you've said it for all us Mother's that bottle fed our babies.....

Amanda xxx



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Hey Amanda..Thanks for your comment...Hold your head high hunni and know that you did the best for your boys...


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PHOENIX
4.88 (Excellent) | June 2007 | PHOENIX
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Great article Angie.
For anyone that is interested please let me clarify the whole breastfeeding and IQ part. Studies have shown that BF babies have higher IQs. Big deal its only a few points difference so in an above average/gifted or average person this isn't going to make a whole lot of difference but on the blow average or mentally challenged (sorry I don't know what the PC term is) it can (doesn't mean guaranteed) mean the difference between living an independant life or needing full time care.
My son is very smart but my whole family has a high IQ so I don't believe that BF was the contributing factor.
My MIL is of the opinion that BF makes all the difference. 2 out of 3 of her kids were BF. The one that wasn't (My DP) was constantly sick as a child and has other problems that the other 2 children never had. I have lots of friends whose FF babies are constantly sick as I have one whose child is the picture of health. I also know a lady whose son is very ill and has severe allergies despite being breastfed but I also know many BF mothers whose children are healthy.
So there is always going to be anecdotal evidence that contradicts what research has found. This doesn't make the research invalid or incorrect.
I don't think any mother who chooses to FF is a bad mother, we all do what we can with what we are given and no matter what we do we are all great mothers.
PS yes Angie I had a good think before I pressed the add comment button.


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      cookclan
3.81 (Good) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
You are very passionate about breastfeeding and that is great...i just wanted to put out what I thought was important for all of us to think about...Thanks for your comment...Cheers Angie


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madchanny
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | madchanny
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
im with you 100% on this Angie..
people can voice their oppinions but there is a line which shouldnt be crossed when it comes to preaching them...
I dont believe for one second that anybody should be looked down upon for bottle feeding at all... i have my personal reasons why i didn't and im sure i may have explained them in the past...
My mum had 3 girls... all bottle fed (including me)
Now we all turned out different:
i rarely get sick, i have hayfever
my little sister rarely gets sick, has no allergies
my older sis is always falling ill, has allergies and underweight.
ONE THING WE ALL HAVE IN COMMON... WE ALL HAVE TOP IQ'S
I know the ins and outs of most electrical entertainment systems (computers, playstations, stereos etc) and also learning the ins and outs of car engines...
Older sis is studying to become a nurse... thats pretty hard work
Younger sister hasnt decided what she wants for the future (older sis and i were the same) but im sure she will get far :)
I dont like what statistics are doing to people, no body should be felt ashamed for feeding their child with formula... As im sure that a childs IQ has more to do with the way you raise them and not what you feed them.
xx


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Hiya Channy thanks for your comment and your support on this..Have a good one matey.....Cheers Angie


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crystalmoon
4.38 (Good) | June 2007 | crystalmoon
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I think we all do what we can with wot we have at the time......we all thrown some curve balls through life and need to learn what is best for our own families and children be it breast or bottle.....potty or toilet ..... cows milk or soy  it gets down to wot ever works for us at the time.I love all the different views on minti it is how I my self learn to be a better parent. Great article Crystal x


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      cookclan
4.34 (Good) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks for your comment...Different opinions are great but name calling and arguments are not good for anyone... Cheers Angie


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Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | Jessgore
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
My son  if he takes after his dad will be smart.. If he takes after me he will be pretty.. LOL   He was breast fed and bottle fed. So he may be a little mixed up :).. So far he is pretty (can you call a boy pretty?) and smart.. Hmmmm I'll let you know how it goes in a few years when he starts school....


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
So he is a good looking pretty smart boy...Hehe have to agree with the pretty he is kinda cute hey...LOL


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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Champion article, well written, well said.  It is a very personal decision, and I don't think anyone should have to explain why they do or don't breastfeed.  For a scientific study to be accurate, all controls must be the same.  Since all mothers and babies are different, how can you say whether or not one particular child would be better off one way or the other.  It is impossible to determine, what we should be doing as a collective group of parents is supporting and helping each other in the choices we make.


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Spot on Hunni....I will support anyone in their decidion with anything because that is what it is their decision..
Mwah
Angie


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mum2four
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | mum2four
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

Great article,totally agree 100%,I breast fed my babies for at least the first 8 weeks as I was told that it is best for baby and to give them the best start in life,usually after about that time with my 2 youngest children ,my body could not produce enough milk to satisfy my baby so they both went onto formular.Both these boys have problems ,one is an asthmatic and the other has learning difficulties posible ADD,we are in the middle of  him being assessed for it.My oldest son now 15 has been on medication for ADHD since he was 7 he also had asthma for a few yrs until he grew out of it and had a lot of ear infections when he was younger,and he was breast fed for 6 months until he started biting ,and after a few to many bites I took him off and put him on to boiled cows milk and pentivite.He already had a very good appetite for solids.Now after  my daughter was born (now 12)I suffered from Post Natal Depression so after 4 months of breast feeding I could not cope any longer and put her onto boiled cows milk also with pentivite.I started feeding all my children solids at 4 months,yes and others may not agree with this also but hey my choice.My daughter is my brightest and healtiest child and she was fed boiled cows milk from 4 months.I think it is all in the genetic make up and no amount of breast feeding is going to stop them from getting asthma or add or learning difficulties.What do you think we were fed on back in my age group if our mothers could not breast feed boiled cows milk or the old fashioned sunshine powdered milk.So these are my opinions nobody has to agree with me but i do not expect to be judged for it either ,as my children are now 15,soon to be 13 ,9 and 7 so they are not babies and is purely from my experience as a breast feeding ,formular feeding and boiled cows milk mother .                                                       

                                                               Cham



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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks for your comment Cham...And thats what minti is really isnt it...Our experience and opinions based on these.....


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yummymummyof3
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | yummymummyof3
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Well said, brilliant article and as per usual you expressed your view well...  There is always an expert on every subject it seems especially this one, I personally don't let what these experts say affect me, my Dr my mum and my nurse and most importantly myself are the only opinions I take seriously.


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      cookclan
4.70 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
We can all take on what we want to you know...But I find myself talking to my mum before i fully take it on board too...


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cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cazza
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
i agree with kayla, this is a excellent article and yes we have our own views on whats best for our kids, but to have a debate over it, just upset me as it made me think did i do the right thing for my kids, and i certanily dont want to feel that way.... Its mums like you angie that helps me feel confident in my parenting, and love coming to minti as well... 

Now i breastfed brodie until he was 12 months, and the girls to they were around 3 months and they are all equal and neither are none intelliegent, and caitlyn and brodie achieve well at school..

Thankyou as i needed to know these things you have written as it helps me to feel that i did was right for all my kids...


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks for your comment Cazza...Have a great day...


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blackwidowkate
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | blackwidowkate
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Hi
About time someone stood up and ended this topic once and for all
My mum breastfed 5 of us then put us onto sunshine milk.
She smoked all through all her pregnancies. She drank through all 5 pregnancies.
2 out of 5 smoked - Darren and Scott
2 out of 5 had learning difficulties - Darren and Scott
2 out of 5 have allergies - Jennifer and Debbie
2 out of 5 are overweight - Scott and Debbie
So as you can see breast feeding was not even a factor.
I didn't smoke or drink throughout my pregnancy
Megan breastfed for 1 week then the clinic nurse advised giving it up due to my being very ill with severe mastitis.
She then was put onto Nan then cows milk at 7 months old
She has no learning difficulties She has a few allergies
Rowan breastfed  for 24 hours He went onto Trim milk and skim milk with the doctors permission at 2 months of age. He has a learning difficulty and slight allergies
Jalan was force fed with a dropper after my being milked like a cow.  She went onto formula at day 3 No allergies have shown up yet
She has been on cows milk for 10 months

Coming from a family of exclusive breast fed babies we still have allergies
It is the hereditary factor that determines brains allergies etc
We could all wish we could breast feed but that is in a perfect world.
Smile accept your ideas and opinions and spread the joy of having beautiful healthy babies
My sentiments
Luv Deb


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks for sharing those stats with us all Deb...That shows me that there is no set thing to attribulte to the breastfeeding of them..Breastfed or not kids can still have allergies and be sick and be clever too...


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emmysmum
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | emmysmum
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
I am with you 100% on this sweety!
This is an excellent article! And it's about time people grew up
WEll done hunni.
Mwah


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      cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks Kayla for your comment hunni...As you know I was a bit worried about writing it....But i still felt it needed to be out here...


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           amtee
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | amtee
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...

It is always been a debate breast or bottle,

I truly don't think it makes alot of difference to the babies intelectual development, I breast fed all 4 of my babies the 2 born first I had to take them of the breast and put them on soy formula as they couldn't digest my milk because of their lactose intolerance( I was the same as a baby) then my last 2 breast fed for nearly 2 years , and there is no specific difference to them all, there is no Breast/bottle debate as long as your bub is happy gaining weight and thriving you are doing the right thing for them.It also brings up another issue if the mum is the only one who can feed the baby if we end up lacking sleep or  get sick then your partener has the ability to help you with bub I was a single mum and there was noone to help me so I was always tired and always getting behind in the washing and cleaning etc.. I you can breastfeed and wish to do so then thats great and if you prefer the bottle thats great as well. after all every bub is diferent.



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                cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cookclan
Re: The breastfed debate...My views and opinions...
Thanks for your comment hunni...You are right if bubs healthy thats all that matters...Cheers Angie


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