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Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated again.

DarkenedAngel by DarkenedAngel Talking Back(August 2007) (rank 24th)

This has been covered time and again, but some members - especially newbies - don't understand it, so I'll have a try and see if I can get the message across in a simple and effective manner.

I once argued that when someone notices a copyright breach on Minti, that it might be better to just contact the author of the advice and tell them to site their source correctly, rather than report it immediately.  Then it was explained to me that it doesn't work.  The reason is simple: Legalities. Breaching copyright is illegal.

Copyright is a legality that is taken extremely seriously and ruthlessly by the corporate and legal world, and one little violation - even an unintentional one - could cause the permanent shut down of Minti for the slightest breach, even if it was only publically viewable for a few minutes. It only takes a small section of writing to be copied - sometimes just one sentence is enough - and all hell can break lose. That is why there are so many cautions about it in the Terms and Conditions, Code of Honour, and in the blurb above the text box every time you click on "Write Advice", as well as having been written about in various advice, etc.  That is why advice, comments, etc; that has been reported vanishes into a non-publically viewable void.

Reported advice doesn't get automatically deleted never to return.  It goes to a place that is out of view of the public eye, where it can be viewed and voted on by those with the authority to do so.  Given time, one of two things will happen:  it will be released for public view, or it won't.  If a piece of advice you wrote is reported for any reason, it doesn't take much to get in contact with the Admin and ask them what is going on.

It is important that such breaches in an advice be reported immediately and have the advice vanish from public view until the issue is resolved.  Taking the time to contact the author privately instead, allows time for someone outside of Minti to see it, someone who will sue for breach of copyright and have the site shut down.  By the time the member has logged on again, received the message and gotten a chance to do something about it, it could very well be too late.  They might log on to find that Minti is inaccessible and in a legal battle with some money-hungry uptight and unforgiving person or corporation.

This may seem unlikely, but internet sites are getting shut down for legal reasons everyday.  Sure, these legal battles can take years to be resolved, but often a site must be shut down while that legal process goes on - whether the court finds the site guilty or not in the end doesn't matter until after that verdict has been passed.

Some people may argue that the authors of advice on Minti are not getting paid, so what does it matter? It does matter, because Minti is a business. Us mmebers might not be making money out of it, but someone is. It cost millions of dollars to set up this site and it costs a lot to keep it up and running. Where do you think that money comees from? Where do you think it will go if a legal battle over copyright started?

Yes, there is some protection for Minti if someone was to post something that breached copyright, however, bare in mind that Minti is "powered by parents" which means that it is up to us - the members - to maintain the integrity of the site, just as much as the Admin. If someone reports a copyright breach and the membership votes that it is acceptable and brings it back to public view, then any legal protection that Minti might have had may be blown out of the water because a copyright breach was reported and accepted. In other words, we said that we don't care for international law and ignored it.

No member takes any pleasure what so ever in reporting advice for any reason - if they did, it wouldn't take long for someone to take on the unpleasant task of reporting the member doing this and behaving in such a spiteful disruptive manner.  Many members do understand the need for the reporting system and will use it when necessary.  That doesn't mean they enjoy doing it.  So will I, and I hate doing it - but my emotions won't stop me.  So yes, no matter how good a friend you are to me, no matter how certain I am that your breach was unintentional, I will still report it - and so will most other members that pay attention and support Minti in this way.  If a member reports your advice for a copyright breach, or any other reason, do not take it personally. It is nothing personal. It's not an attack on you in any way. They are only doing it to protect the site, which thousands of people are benefitting from, including you.

If someone reported an advice I wrote for breaching copyright, I would be greatful that someone noticed that I made a mistake and did something about it. I can always fix it up and re-post it later on if their report was correct and it did indeed breach copyright. If you are reporting a suspected copyright breach, it helps a lot if you send a polite message to the author explaining why you have reported their advice. It also helps resolve the issue faster if you can provide a link as to where the information you suspect was copied can be found.

I'm sure that many cases of copyright breach that happen on Minti are just pure forgetfullness and that the author would be willing to fix the problem as soon as it is pointed out to them.  Most other members are very aware of this as well.  But as I stated, we can't afford to wait for someone to fix this problem if we want Minti to continue to exist.  I wish we could, I really do, but until the outside world can be as reasonable as most of the members on Minti are, then I'm sorry, the choices will remain limited and the rules will be adhered to.

This is why I will stress that it is extremely important to, when writing advice, save it as a draft first.  Come back to it later with a fresh mind, have a look at it and see if there is anything that you missed - particularly with regards to siting other sources.  Read the blurb at the top of the page.  It may trigger a memory of something you had forgotten about, or inspire you to fix up something you neglected or didn't notice.  Draft everything!  Drafts are good.  Drafts are your friend and they can keep you out of a lot of trouble - and keep your advice out of the void.

I hope this clears up any personal issues that people have about the whole purpose of the reporting system and why copyright seems like such an issue for some people.  Happy writing, have patience, and don't forget to DRAFT IT - the more you do it the better it gets!

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WingsofLight
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | WingsofLight
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated again.
There's so many people out there in cyber land that think copy and pasting is ok to do, it doesn't hurt to give a reminder occasionally, using other peoples photos and graphics can also be a serious problem with Copyright.
Thank-you for the friendly reminder :)


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emmie
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | emmie
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.
great advice, im sure this will help many to understand what could happen if they copyright and i love the pic in fact it reminds me of my friends daughter cheers emz


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hermy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | hermy
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this really needs to be out there......i think most people are allowed mistakes, we all do them, but there are rules that have to be followed.........well done on this article.......regards Sandra xxx


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HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.

Excellent and timely reminder.  Thanks DA.  When I was in college (uni for all you australians), copyright was driven into our heads and that we shouldn't copy anyone's work.  It is also known as plagurisim and is a big no no in the real world.  I guess some people just don't understand the importance and the legal issue behind such laws. 

Angela



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lexiw
4.87 (Excellent) | September 2007 | lexiw
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Ok Firstly in my opinion Great advice I am sure admin and many members who care about what happens to minti will definately appreciate this advice.

Secondly for Kenny01 if you do not like the rules for minti the leave. Part of the conditions for signing up to this parenting site are to follow all the rules especially the copywrite laws that are there not just because minti says but because THEY ARE THE LAW !!!!!!!!

As for your comments towards a member that has given alot of herself to minti and helping its members I am offended by them and I for one will be watching everything you do and if I see you being offensive to any other member on this site I will report you and you WILL be removed.

Please respect minti and it's members if you wish to be a part of this amazing community.

 Lexi xxx



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      nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | nell18-3
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.
I just wanted to ditto what you say here Lexi
I agree with you on all you said
xxx


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merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | merlin0903
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thanks DA

for putting this out there and trying to help everyone understand what could happen to our much beloved minti, i will admit i have been pulled up on copyright, and i am slowly learning what to do, and that is thanks to admin and all the really great advice on here about it,

as for you picture i don't find it offensive and it isn't freakish either, i kinda like it, thanks again for putting this out there sweetie

hugs and kisses



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kenny01
1.77 (Poor) | September 2007 | kenny01
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.

THIS CAN NOT BE SERIOUS MAYBE WE SHOULD LET THE OPERATOR'S OF MINTI SORT THESE ISSUES OUT AS IT IS THERE PROBLEM AS FAR AS OTHER MEMBER'S REPORTING THAT IS A SICK IDEA THAT MAKE'S YOU YOUNGER THAN YOUR FLAMMING KID'S I MEAN FOR GOD'S SAKE THIS AN ADULT WEBSITE NOT A KID'S ONE AT ALL

SO FOR CRYING LOUD BE AN ADULT  WILL THE LAWSUIT BE AGAINST YOU WELL THE ANSWER IS NO I MEAN IF THERE IS ANYTHING OFFENSIVE ON HERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE YOUR PICTURE AS THIS A FAMILY SITE NOT A FREAK SITE

GROW UP

 



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      DarkenedAngel
4.86 (Excellent) | September 2007 | DarkenedAngel
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.

I am grown up and I am mature enough to respect the law, and obey the rules, policies and guidelines of Minti.

These things have been written by the Admin and I suggest that every member read them.

Editorial Guidelines

Terms of Service

 Code of Honor

Copyright issues

And your comment on my pic is against the first 2 points in the CoH. I suggest you read it. If you think my imagine is offensive, report the image and let the majority decide, as that is how things on Minti are done.

Cheers, DA.



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      HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.

Hi Kenny,

I agree with DA on this advice.  This is very serious.  Infringing on copyright laws is very bad and will result in a law suit and Minti's being shut down. 

Minti is a site for parents, run by parents and that is why we are the one's who do the reporting and voting on these issues.  It isn't sick or wrong or childish.  There is nothing personal about what is happening.  It is all a legal issue.

As for the comment about DA's avatar, you grow up.  It is a parenting site, not a kids site.  No need to call names.

Angela



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      llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.
Kenny I trust by now that you are more familiar with the way Minti works, and how it is administrated, since the information has been so kindly provided for you. I think that there are a few of us who have heads better suited to radio, however it is what's inside us, and how we embrace other's that makes us all beautiful - don't you agree?


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      stacey79
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | stacey79
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.
hi kenny
this site is a parenting site powered by parents which means we parents /members do the best we can on this site by keeping the rules and making sure others keep the rules when the rules are broken it is up to one of us to sort it out as admin has said b4 on numerous occasions.
stacey


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      Flicka
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | Flicka
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.
OMG This is unbelievable! No the law suits won't be against individual members, but I'm sure none of us want to see it shut down so it's up to us all to do our part in keeping it going.  As for the picture, I thought you said we were all adults? Yes it is a little freakish, but it shows character and individuality and as an adult I choose not to be offended by it, I choose to see it for what it is and that is a member's avatar.


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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | September 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.
Voting down valid advice that helps you to appreciate and understand how the law works in regard to posting articles and advice online?  What is with that?

I thought that every one wanted to do the right thing by the site, which means respecting the legalities, and trying to work within them.  This is great advice - EVERY time I write advice, I re-read all of the links on the Write Advice page.

If in doubt, advice should be removed from general viewing until cleared - if Minti's creators got in trouble because of something like this, it would affect all of us. 

This is some really handy advice that angieh (admin) wrote about it too - cheers, Lui.


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      DarkenedAngel
4.26 (Good) | September 2007 | DarkenedAngel
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.

Yeah, last time this advice was posted it ranked quite high. I didn't care about the votes themselves, I was horrified that any member would be so ignorant and stupid as to not have any respect for the legalities with which Minti has to abide.

What do they want? Minti to get sued and shut down? Where does that leave the rest of us?

Sure, we members aren't making money from this, but Minti is a corporation, thus someone is making money from the advice that is posted here. Every member that treats copyright laws with such distain is just asking for Minti to get shut down.

I don't like the copyright laws much either, but I'm not going to break them. I don't fully understand them, but it's easy to avoid - just don't copy anyone's else's stuff!



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           DarkenedAngel
4.83 (Excellent) | September 2007 | DarkenedAngel
Re: Copyright Breaches And Reporting - edited and updated.

Here's the link to the original version of this advice - and I'm the original author so it's not a copyright violation - if anyone wants to go and vote that one down as well. LOL



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