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Saying No To Animals In The House

LavendaLady by LavendaLady Speaking(August 2007) (rank 500+)

This advice is a follow on inspirated by conversation generated from the article called "Little Ones Grow Up fast, House Work Can Wait".

Saying No To Animals In The House

Do you have animals at home? Do you animals live in the house? Are you about to be

a new Mum? Do you have a child that is asthmatic? Do you have a family history of asthma? Are you already a Mum and have animals like cats and dogs? What about your kids, do any of them have a respiratory related conditions? Read ON!

Long before my son was born I simply banned my two cats from the house. It meant no more cat fur and the endless vaccuming and the ruined funiture and occasional smelly unwanted gifts, no more cat fur on my couches and on my clothes! And I loved it! I do like my cats very much but I realised that my motto has always been humans before animals. My sanity before animals! I choose to house my cats in a RSPCA approved cat cage at night. I choose to not waste my precious time cleaning up after them in the HUMAN house. I enjoy having nice non cat fur covered clothing and a house that does not smell of animals. I enjoy being able to invite all my friends and family to visit and not be worried about any allergies etc

When discovering that I was to become a Mum I investigated what my newborn my have a tendancy for. This was asthma and ezcema.

As many of you know Asthma is a chronic inflammatory disease of the airways in the lungs. It is NOT age specific in when it first is noted. However often it is reported as often beginning in childhood or adolescence. It may also may first appear in adult life. In my professional acute experience as a RN DIV 1 in respiratory nursing, Asthma is now NOT uncommon in infants. It is heart breaking and very stressful for these parents to deal with. I knew from my experience that I wanted to minimise the risk to my newborn and to thus reduce the likihood of hospital admissions and medical intervention required to treat him. I wanted to avoid trauma for him if I could. Plus I wanted to avoid the heatbreak and stress related to asthma triggers that I as a  responsible Mum could reduce. A simple measure of housing my cats outside was the sensible option.

Asthma is a chronic inflammation episode that causes the airways in an Asthmatic to narrow. It can produce that characteristic wheezing and breath-lessness sometimes to the point where there is gasping for air leading to respiratory distress. It can lead (in extreme cases) to death. Please do note today, that it is rare for a child not respond to professional medical intervention. This airway obstruction either stops spontaneously or responds to a wide range of treatments . Continuing inflammation makes asthmatics hyper-responsive to such stimuli as cold air, exercise, dust, animal fur, pollutants in the air, and even stress or anxiety.

So I decided to reduce the triggers at home where I reasonably could. I purchased a great vaccum cleaner, I vaccum every room once a week. I already had the cats outside and that is their home. A good idea is to make your house a pet free zone long before a newborn baby comes home. Naturally most responsible cat owners would want their cat to be happy and not jealous of the newborn so having established that the felines are outside long before baby is born would be a good idea. I maded sure that my cats had a safe and weather protected cat home. All theirs and not a play ground for my baby boy. No shared items.

When vistors bring their animals I insist they DO stay outside. It can be hard to enforce (especially when a female may baby her dog and cat and think it's too cold to be outside) but I have reminded her that I have a young child. I also have to remind them that I am responsible for the condition of the child and house and that this is my house and not theirs. As a Mum/parent you have to be really strong and enforce what you believe in and not give into things that are just not ok. For me cats and furry animals being outside my house is expected.

I do have one such friend that lets her cat and dog stay in the house and defecate, urinate and destroy her house. I think as a result of this that she has contributed to her social lonliness, acute anxiety and is more depressed. She can't keep up with the mess these two animals make. She gets exhausted and then gets more depressed as the mess and stink gets worse. She is isolated by the state her house is in, as no one wants to visit her in that house. It is very hard indeed to tolerate the smell. Plus she will not invite anyone to her house for she is ashamed of how it is. Plus there is NO chance I will let her baby sit my son in her house... ALL because she insists that her animals stay in her house. My friend treats her cat and dog as babys. She even babies the dog and uses nappies to clean up after it and gets it 00 size clothing to wear!

My point is animals do NOT come before your precious ONE OF A KIND newborn, toddler or child. Your child deserves the best environment you can provide. An environment that is not harmful and that does not pose a risk to their health.  Needless to say, my friend is single and childless so such concerns about an asthmatic prone newborn do not concern her. Nor does it come into her thinking that it might concern others with children.

Sometimes when I think about letting my two cats in for a while, I recall the state of her house (and others that are not so bad but still have cat fur on couches etc) I decide instead to take myself and my son outside to play with them instead! Afterall being outside is best for animals and being outside and playing with our two cats is a double treat for my son. Plus my house remains free of any unexpected surprises.

Take Care,

Lavendalady

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merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2007 | merlin0903
Re: Saying No To Animals In The House

 

thank you for sharing your ideas and suggestions with us,



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BigBearLittleBear
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | BigBearLittleBear
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I know all about enforcing my beliefs lol and am very strong willed when it comes to my opinions on all things.  I'm of the belief that if you have a cat, don't let it roam the streets.  Same with dogs, don't let them roam around.  My dog is inside of a night time and outside throughout the day.  He knows better than to be on our furniture and doesn't mess inside the house.  He goes out before I go to bed, and he goes out at 5am when the rest of the house wakes up.  My 2 cats were inside only cats, but also had an RSPCA approved cat run with a big cage and little paths running off it around the yard.  They spent their time between this and the house.  It was actually an old work shed, with solid timber walls to block the wind or to create a hide out if it was sunny and hot.  They enjoyed it and it gave them access to grass, etc, without allowing them to prey on our small native animals and also keeping them safe from the traffic.  They were never allowed in the bedrooms.  The doors stayed closed and they were short-haired cats.  I have asthma but my little one doesn't have any problems with animals at all.


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      LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
Re: Saying No To Animals In The House

Hi BigBearLittleBear

I just love your nic name. As a child I used to call my Dad "Bear". So the nic name made me smile. Ahh thankyou for triggering that fond memory!

Thankyou for taking the time to comment

It sounds great that you seem comfortable with enforcing your beliefs.

I do know of those kind of cat cages.  That is what we have!

I am glad you have a solution that works for you and your family. You also sound like a very responsible pet owner.

Take Care,

Lavendalady



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LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
Re: Saying No To Animals In The House

Thankyou Very much for the links!

Take Care,

Lavendalady



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DarkenedAngel
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | DarkenedAngel
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mumof2b
4.57 (Excellent) | August 2007 | mumof2b
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Our dog is part of our family and we all love her dearly. She is an inside dog at night and at times during the day but she spends most of the day outside. She also sleeps on end of my oldest son's bed at night, as it makes him feel safe, he is scared of the dark and at times has night terrors, he feels much safer knowing she is there. Also I might add he does suffer from seasonal asthma and is allergic to our dog's saliva......oh yes you might be saying I'm a bad Mum.......but I'm not......our dog has been trained not to lick him.....she loves both my boys dearly and is very protective of them. She is a very special part of our family!!!


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      LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
Re: Saying No To Animals In The House

Hi there Mumof2b,

Thankyou for taking the time to add your comment. 

Please do not think I'd EVER refer to you as a bad Mum. We each (as parents) make our own decisions on the available information we have, our life experiences, career, advice and our inside knowledge of what is the best solution for our child and family.

Your child is emotionally attached to the dog. The dog has been well trained to not lick  your child. You are fully informed of what your child has an allergy to and have choosen and option that works for you, your child and family.

In my case, my son is not attached to an animal. He is under 1 year of age. We have a strong family history of asthma in the family and one family member has died from it. The best option for my family is to house the cats outside in their RSPCA approved cat cage and limit the cat exposure time.

I hope your son is doing better and not too affected by the recent seasonal change.

Take Care,

Lavendalady



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      DarkenedAngel
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | DarkenedAngel
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My boy at the age of 4 went through a period of being scared to go to sleep in his room because he thought "monsters" might be under his bed. My brother was visiting at the time and he told my boy that there couldn't be any monsters under the bed because the dog ate them all (I have a very large dog). My son believed him, but from that point on he would insist that the dog go into his room to check for monsters before he'd go in there! I would let the dog in to investigate that there were no monsters before bedtime each night. It worked, he didn't take long to settle into the idea that there were no more monsters under his bed.

Now he is 7 and he tells younger children that are scared of monsters that there aren't any left because his dog ate them all! ROFL!



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           katierose
December 2007 | katierose
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I had to laugh as we have been doing the same thing re: "monsters!" Katie said that there were big bitey things with big bitey teeth trying to get into her room and they were scaring her. I told her that there was no WAY they could even get near the house as our dog would chew them up and spit the bits out on the lawn! She then added that our little dog would bite them on the butt and catch them so the big dog could chew them up and our cat would scritch them and scratch them!! No more bitey things with big bitey teeth! ( I also got hubby to get up the ladder and chop back the palm trees that were scraping on her window!)


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           LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
Re: Saying No To Animals In The House

Hi there DarkenedAngel

Great to see you here again!

Tour comment gave me a MUCH needed giggle today! Thanks so VERY much!

Take care,

Lavendalady



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Kellzacar
4.54 (Excellent) | August 2007 | Kellzacar
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hi there,

Whilst I understand the that some illness's like Asthma can be aggravated by pet hair there are things you can to to help without kicking the animals out. My children would be devastated if i suddenly didn't allowed our much love cat inside.

We brush him down twice a day, plus i have a special PET vacuum cleaner which is designed to collect pet hair and also has an extra filtration system on it. Pets have their place in our homes and be be very helpful with our kids. I know when my children are ill my cat is never far away from them, he is like their protector.

Cheers Kellz


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      LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
Re: Saying No To Animals In The House

Hi there Kellzacar,

Thankyou for your great comments! I continue to be rather surprised by the amount of comments this article is recieving.

I have to say that I do not think I could "suddenly" remove pets from the house either. Especially if the animal had been in the house all along through my child's life and my child was emotionally attached to that animal. Yet I do know that I would only encourage additional animal time after my child has been cleared of having an animal allergy that most likely leads to asthma.

I commend you on the efforts you go to to reduce the cat fur issue. Sounds great!

Take Care,

Lavendalady



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August88
4.93 (Excellent) | August 2007 | August88
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I don't see a problem with having an animal in the house on occasions. If they are trained and the house is vaccumed regularly and accidents cleaned quickly then it shouldn't be a problem. I know what you are saying about the smell though. I don't understand about people bringing their pets to others houses though. I am sure that they would be more comfortable at home. I also know someone who has to take there animal everywhere even to the shop and it is not good to leave them in the car while you go to the shop etc. as they can die in the car but as they leave the window down and park in shade they disagree but anyway. I understand what you are saying but the title does suggest that you do not agree that people can have there animals inside and there are people who do treat there animals as humans, I know a couple and they will not agree with that.


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      LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
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Hi there August88,

Thankyou for your comments. 

I plan to have a serum blood test done on my son after he is 12 months old. It will determine if he is allergic to (dust, animal, Etc about 350 things he could be allergic to). If he is NOT allergic to animal then I too will have not so much of a concern about my cats coming into the house on occasions and with the same conditions that you stipulated.

The title is about being able to say no to having animals in the house. Being able to for the benefit of yourself as a new Mum (less animal related house work) and the benefits to the emotional and physical health of your family.

Take care,

Lavendlady

 



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llmunchkin
4.68 (Excellent) | August 2007 | llmunchkin
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I guess it is each unto their own... Many breeds of cats and dogs don't shed.  I personally have never owned a pet, nor had any friends or family who owned pets that weren't toilet trained and extremely well groomed.

Most people should have the good sense to have pet free areas for their newborns anyway, and in general, if you visit a home where a pet resides, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for the pet to be outside - unless you want your child to get to know the animal.

It is commonly thought that the raised incidence of asthma in society today is actually caused by the increasingly sterile environment we live in.  Although actual asthma sufferers may find their illness is exacerbated by animals that they are unused to - it isn't often cited as the cause of asthma itself.

That being said, it is a personal choice, and it is a very interesting read, thank you for sharing your story with us.


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      LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
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Hi there IImunchkin,

Thankyou for your comment. I always welcome comments. I was rather surprised by the amount of comments this article has recieved.

I do agree that their are breads of cats and dogs do not shed their hair. My two moggy cats do shed their hair, as does most other every day moggy type of cat available in Australia. I too have never owned a pet that I have not house trained to the standards I want. Yet I am aware that there are some that do not house train their pets as well as others. Some people do allow their animals to behave "badly". I gave the ONE example from my network of friends. I also am aware of the television show "It's me or the dog" that does highlight examples of some people that have not trained their dogs well or let them do many things most would deem unacceptable. Have you seen this show?

I wonder what really is "good sense" or "Common sense" anyway? Some would say removing the pet from the house long before a child is born is common sense, others do differ. For me it was a case of wanting my newborn not to be exposed to my cats at a very tender age due to the very real risk of asthma being triggered.

I do really wonder how someone really keeps a pet such as a cat in a "pet zone" in the house. Are they locked in? I'd imagine even a well trained pet would stay in the area deemed theirs only most of the time... Yet in my case, I much rather have my cats roam free during the day outside and then be snug and safe in their RSPCA approved cat cage at night. Once again my preference.

I agree that I don't think it unreasonable to ask that a pet be removed from the house. My baby boy will have ample opportunity to slowly get to know the two cats. It will continue to be a supervised time outside with me and my partner. There will be no surprise animal visits from animals for my son at the tender at of 9 months to have to deal with since they live outside. 

Being a person that has been trained in respiratory medicine I can tell you that it is acutally very strongly associated with air pollution. 

As you are probably aware, asthma can be brought on by many triggers such as exercise or heavy breathing, cold air, airborne irritants such as dust, pet hair and molds, smoke, viral infections, allergic reactions due to pollen or food and pollutants. That being said, it is very hard to isolate exactly what caused an asthma attack. However as a parent, one can do their best to limiting exposure to these triggers to avoid such an event for their child. That is exactly what I choose to do.

Take Care,

Lavendalady



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DarkenedAngel
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | DarkenedAngel
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It's not just the potential mess of untrained pets, but the serious health issues that you are pointing out and I applaud you for that. I have a dog that is fully house trained and makes no mess what-so-ever, except leaving a bit of fur on the carpet in the loungeroom. He does not go in the bedrooms, he does not get on the lounges or beds, and he is not permitted in the kitchen when someone is cooking, eating, or handling food. I also bought an expensive alergy and asthma safe vaccuum cleaner. If I didn't have such a vaccuum cleaner, I wouldn't allow my dog in the house at all. Allergies and asthma is not an issue for anyone that lives in my home, fortunately, but if it was, I would prioritise the health of my family over the comfort of my pets.

There is also a huge risk to the unborn children of pregnant mothers and young babies from coming into contact with cat faeces. Consequently, I will not go near cat faeces whilst pregnant, and I would never allow a cat inside my home that was not properly house-trained, or any cat while a newborn baby was in the house.

As for visitors, if someone with asthma or an alergy to my animals came to my house, I would, in courtesy to them, put my animals outside and thoroughly clean the house before they came.

The other risk that people don't think of regarding cats and kids is that cats do love to curl up near warmth. A sleeping newborn makes a good hot pack to cuddle next to as far as many cats are concerned. Babies have died as a result of the family cat deciding to sleep with the baby and lay over the babies face.

All kids and pets should be closely supervised when they are together. However, having an animal-free home does not mean that children can't have or interact with pets. Pets are great company for kids and are good for teaching kids how to behave around, be gentle with, and treat animals. If having pets outside is what is best for your family, then by all means, do it.

Of course, your house is your house, if someone was to insist on smoking in your otherwise non-smoking house, you wouldn't be questioned if you said no. Why then do people kick up a stink about someone not allowing pets into an animal-free home? It just makes no sense to me. My home, My rules, Your home, Your rules, people should respect that.

And yes, when pet mess gets to be too much, social isolation becomes an issue as most people do not want to visit a home that reaks of animal faeces and urine,  and is rotten with fur and fleas. I've been unfortunate enough to live in that kind of condition and NEVER AGAIN! I don't like visiting people who won't bother to house-train a pet or won't change a littler tray when it needs it either. I can't imagine any decent person that would go to a home where the people didn't know how to use a toilet, why is such pet mess more acceptable? It's not.



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      LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
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Hi There DarkenedAngel!

Thankyou VERY MUCH for your insightful comments regarding my advice. It really does encourage me to read that a member can see that my advice is about the serious health issue that pets in the human house can pose to a new born baby. In my case it was about the trigger risk animal fur etc to cause an asthmatic reaction in my newborn. I do hope other members can also understand this and not see it as some sort of attack on those that choose to have their animals in the home.

Your first paragraph is exactly how I'd behave if allergies and asthma were not an issue in my family or if I didn't have a baby son to care for. My son's grandfather has had severe asthma all his life and his younger sister tragically died from it when she was only 22 years old. Allergy and asthma are a big concern in our family.

Agreed re the unborn baby. It is a huge concern! I would not go near cat faeces either when I was pregnant. I would too never allow a cat in the house with my newborn baby. I always worried about the idea of them wanting to snuggle ontop and thus would never allow even a chance of that.

Yes I too would be mindful of visitors with allergies. I would go to an extra effort for them. I am after all being mindful of their health and comfort while in my home.

Agreed an animal free home does not mean children cannot interact with pets. In fact my son and I go outside to see them together (yep supervision) and we both enjoy being outside with them. 

Agreed re the "My home, My rules, Your home, Your rules, people should respect that" I think in the case of my ONE example I used she has is learning to respect my decision. She now always leaves them both outside in my backyard when she visits me and my son.

Agreed re the social isolation! I have have been helping her father to arrange for cleaners to come into her  house and contractors to really get ontop of things. The plan is that when she returns from being in hospital for anxiety and depression that she will have a clean house to come back to and if all goes well a doggy house and a cat house for her animals.

Lavendalady



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LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
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Hi there Peachynowamum,

Thankyou for your comment. I always welcome comments.

I have carefully reread what I have written in my advice. I have carefully read your duplicated comments.

My reply is as follows:

I have NOT stated that I would suggest to a Mum that she should be "wrapping them completely in cotton wool and not allowing any exposure to germs". I have simply stated that my cats are outdoor cats long before my newborn came home. It was my decision to do this. It is also my advice to any new parent to purchase a proper cat house and put the cats in that at night and not have them in the HUMAN house. This advice is especially for any parent that may have an asthmatic child.   I have stated the reasons why I suggest this from my professional and actual Mum experience. It is a sensible option solution that may be considered by a new Mum. 

Naturally removing animals from the house also does not equate to "wrapping a child in cotton wool". The house as you may be aware is an ample area for a child to get exposure to germs and all sorts of hazards if you so wish :p 

Plus I stated the pro's of the reduction of house work time when a Mum does not have to clean up after furry animals. I also used a real life example of ONE person that keeps her animals indoors and does not manage the furr, smell and animal waste in her  house. I did not state in my advice that "having an indoor pet does not make yoou an outcast with no friends..."

Please do take the time to reread the advice and note that your comments have been unfounded.

Lavendalady



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peachynowamum
3.31 (Average) | August 2007 | peachynowamum
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i must say that whilst it is good to protect bubs as much as possible... i believe that wrapping them completely in cotton wool and not allowing any exposure to germs does not give them  the chance they need to build up their immune system... Also having an indoor pet does not make yoou an outcast with no friends...


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      peachynowamum
2.52 (Average) | August 2007 | peachynowamum
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i believes this so called person you spoke about just has a serious aversion to housework... and did not train their pet real well... not all pets defecate in the house and sometimes the introductiobn of a pet can be actualy healthy....

i suggest you look into both sides of the argument...... It is your choice what you do with your pets but you dont have to insult those of us who do choose to allow them indoors by suggesting we are all like this woman you know...



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           LavendaLady
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | LavendaLady
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Hi Peachywoman,

Thankyou for you retraction of the duplicate comment. It really was not necessary.

The ONE example I gave is a person whom prior to insisting that her cat and dog remain inside her house day and night had a very tidy unit. No she does not have a serious aversion to housework. She has too much housework caused by insisting that both animals stay in her house. She treats the animals like they are humans. I do agree with you about her dog not being trained very well. It is an issue that will be followed up by her family.

If the dog was outside it would not have a problem as it could be free to dig up and defecate in the garden as a dog should instead of wherever it wants in the house. 

I have looked carefully at both sides of the animals indoors vs animals outdoors debate. I am busy Mum who does want what is best for myself, my baby and my family. Not having my son develop asthma at such a tender age is my intention. I could afford a cat cage so my cats live in that at night. My actions carefully thoughtout intention to promote the emotional and physically health of my asthmatic prone son and family. 

I have NOT insulted anyone who chooses to leave their pet indoors. That is your choice. It is my choice to house my cats outside.

Lavendalady



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                peachynowamum
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