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Avent Bottles Dangerous

scbmanner by scbmanner Walking(August 2007) (rank 500+)
I am not one for scare tactics, but when it comes to my family, I take zero chances. That's why I wanted to post an article about the possible dangers of a very popular brand of bottle: Avent.  (This has been posted before, but it's worthy of another look)

We have used them for both of our boys until we recently was a huge fan of them. Now we have to go through the trouble of introducing our youngest to new types of bottles and it's a huge headache.

While the verdict may still be out on these bottles (I disagree. Anything that may cause developmental disabilities is a not worth taking a chance on) I wanted to share an article on the dangers of the type of plastic used to make these convenient bottles so clear and hard.

original article:

Baby 411 authors: 'Toss Avent bottles'

The updated version of “Baby 411" tells readers who want to use polycarbonate plastic baby bottles to limited the washings and heated drying, because the chemical bisphenol A can leach from the products.

But thanks to two recent developments, the authors now say stop using baby bottles and sippy cups made of polycarbonate plastic altogether.

The first change was the statement in a medical journal by 38 BPA researchers that said BPA posed a significant health risk.

Days later, a federal panel convened by the National Institutes of Health said there is "some concern" the chemical could cause behavioral and neurological problems in young children.

"Specifically, parents should stop using Avent's Natural Feeding Bottle and Dr. Brown's Natural Flow (or any bottle made of polycarbonate plastic)---these products were previously recommended by BABYBARGAINS," the authors said in the August Baby Bargains newsletter.

"All baby bottles and sippy cups made of polycarbonate plastic should be avoided," said author and consumer advocate Denise Fields. "If you are shopping for bottles, chose an alternative made from BPA-free plastic or glass. If you have polycarbonate bottles, throw them out."

The FAQs section from the Baby Bargains newsletter provides some good answers:




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richardbellilns
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | richardbellilns
Re: Avent Bottles Dangerous
Thanks for this. I suppose it's better to be safe than sorry when it comes to our little ones. . - RB


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scbmanner
4.83 (Excellent) | August 2007 | scbmanner
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Well, do what you want with this information; that was my objective... I just wanted to put it out there for parents who still have a choice to make about what they put in their baby's mouth.


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cheleinkal
3.75 (Good) | August 2007 | cheleinkal
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I'm not going to vote on your article, because I don't agree with it's content personally but I apreciate the fact that you have brought it to parents attention.  I don't know of a single parent in the last 15 years who didn't use either a sippy cup a plastic cup in general on plastic plates and or bottles avent or otherwise so if this advice was true, why doesn't every kid I ever babysat or nannied for have developemental issues...... not one of them does and I started babysitting when I was 13 years old, I have just turned 36 years old and I have babysat/ cared for/nannied for and worked in child care facilities, I must have given or wittnessed hundreds of kids use these things, I am still in contact with many from my early baby sitting days who are now in their 20's and perfectly fine.  I personally think that the corporations that make plastic kiddy cups and bottles probably started the ruour so that rather than keep the same sippy cup for 12 months or more, you bought several.............. I believe it's a scare mongering marketing stratergy.  Thats MY opinion.


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BigBearLittleBear
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | BigBearLittleBear
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I've never used bottles but the Avent sipper cup was used by mine for water from the ages of 2 months to 8 months.  I do have a workmate who is only breastfeeding for convenience while she is in hospital after the birth then will go to formula.  I asked what she wanted for bub and she said Avent bottles because that's the brand she trusts even though I swear by Pigeon brand. Not that I've used them personally but people I know have and the one I wanted to buy her was the gift pack with the bottles, spill-proof sipper cup, Spout cups (they can spill), straws, all the stages from birth to 2 years.  She still swears by Avent so I bought her a bottle to sipper cup pack, then the next sipper cup from 6 to 12 months, the one from 12 to 18 months and the one from 18 months plus and made my own gift pack from it.  Wish I knew this before!  Could have convinced her to go with Pigeon, feel like I've wasted my money now as she probably won't use them after reading this info.  Of course I'll print it out to show her.



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PHOENIX
4.80 (Excellent) | August 2007 | PHOENIX
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It's things like this that scare the hell out of me. So glad I don't use bottles but I did use Avent bottles with my first to feed EBM as he wouldn't take any other version- glad to say he definately has no problems but then again he was only getting one, once a week.
there are many things like this article out now. I remember not long ago watching the one about how teflon is releasing chemicals that can kill while you are cooking (guess who no longer using non stick cookware!) and then recently there was one on the chemical in childrens cotton clothes (formeldayde-sp?).
i think it's great to be aware of these things so you can then make an informed decision about what to do- and of course take action to reduce the risks. I think as parents we'd all be pretty pissed off if 20yrs down the track we found something wrong with our kids only to be told-oh yeah sorry we should have told you that this could happen.


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Kellzacar
4.43 (Good) | August 2007 | Kellzacar
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Hi there,

Whilst i respect you opinions and I truly believe you have the best of intentions I just felt that that i need to add this.

If this was the case and these bottles were so dangerous then the ACCC would have removed them from sale within Australia immediately. . . . .  The ACCC is very strict on these types of regulations especially when it comes to poisons . .

Just my thoughts . . .

Cheers Kellz


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      PHOENIX
4.80 (Excellent) | August 2007 | PHOENIX
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Well that's what the ACCC is supposed to do but unless they receive evidence (ie a child that has developmental delays as stated in the article and can be proved to be linked to said product) they can't legally do anything about it.
I think that sucks- IMO if there is evidence from a study etc that shows an increased risk of x from using y then the product should be pulled from sale until the manufacturers can prove that it is safe to use.


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           cheleinkal
3.18 (Average) | August 2007 | cheleinkal
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Thats exactly the point.... there's NO proof that they're harmful......... with all due respect.  You've read something saying it's evil and bad and you without any proof now believe it is guilty and in need of being prooved innocent.  Avent's been around for years and years and years.  Our daughter is very clever, she said her first words at abour 5 or 6 months old, she started on 2nd hand (from a close friend) avent bottles at 3 months when we switched to formula, there was no decrease in her learning, I have never witnessed anything that links either formula or plastic bottles Avent or otherwise to a lack of intelligence let alone a seriouse intellectual problem.  You have the word of someone you don't know against the fact that bazillions of kids have either used the bottles or the cups for years and there's no REAL link or any major issue.  If there was it would be more than a link in a Minti article letting us all know about it.  Sorry, but I think you have jumped on the scare monger band wagon, even if it has been unintentional.


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                PHOENIX
3.80 (Good) | August 2007 | PHOENIX
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The ACCC needs evidence in the form of a parent who can come to them and say my child is developmentally delayed and it is because of this product-this is very hard to prove and in the case of bottles a lawyer will easily say well you fed formula(which in most cases is what is in the bottle) and that must be the reason(not to put down formula or anything but a lawyer for the company will find another reason why x happened). A study doesn't cut it with them they want the individual (or group of persons) to be the proof. Most cases where there is a problem with health always gets palmed off as being because of something else.
I didn't jump on any bandwagon but I will always err on the side of caution when it comes to my health and that of my kids. AS I said above I used Avent with my first to feed EBM. No problems there but if I had been given this info back then I probably would have fed him via a spoon or something not a bottle- just in case.
Anyway there are so many things in our environment that are essentially killing us that this isn't really going to make an impact.


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bittenbythelovebug
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | bittenbythelovebug
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Hey , might be a silly q but how can you tell if they are polycarbonate plastic? I have Avent, mag mag, tommee tippee, playtex and sistema bottle & sippy cups (tried everything to get him off the boob).  Only the mag mag has a 5 on the base, the rest have nothing. T xx


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Arna
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | Arna
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Gonna go and check ours.  thanks.  We can never be to careful and companies depend on their name to be the best, not their products.


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belinda03
4.86 (Excellent) | August 2007 | belinda03
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your saying use an alternative like glass .. yes there use to be glass bottle but i will not be giving my two year old a glass cup to walk around with  .. i hear your concerns with chemicals but as other said it can be in anything .. both my girls use the sippy cups

rather that than a glass cup and they may fall or drop it and smahes and hurts them self

thats my opionun anyway

be'l



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blackwidowkate
4.25 (Good) | August 2007 | blackwidowkate
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Hi
Then we had better stop our children drinking from pop top bottles as they are the same plastic used in avent bottles
Also any clear plastic bottle....All our water bottles that you buy bottled water in
Pop top bottles now actually come with a warning not to reuse. 
There are hundreds of products that if we actually knew what was in them we would not feed them to our children. 
Do you eat chicken?  It has been linked to guillain barrow
Asprin if you read one of my articles is linked to Reyes Syndrome.
Vegetables are dangerous because of the chemicals we spray on them Washing does not get all the chemical residue off
I can go on about hundreds of products we use every day hmmm thought for articles lol....
Great thing to be aware of though i will admit
Thanks
Luv Deb


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      Arna
4.86 (Excellent) | August 2007 | Arna
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Here in Australia, the standard for water bottles is they are made from PET plastics.  Apparently better quality, better healthwise and better for recycling.  I just looked at the bottom of bottle currently using (brand is H2go made byFrucor Beverages) and it is PET plastic.

I know what you mean that harmfull chemicals are everywhere and in everything.  Who'd eat, drink or breathe if they knew all the facts?  Not me!  I'd prefer to live in Caveman days but noone has managed to create a working time machine!


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llmunchkin
4.39 (Good) | August 2007 | llmunchkin
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While I can understand that heating may release this chemical, I can't understand how the chemical can continue to be released when the bottle isn't hot.  From what I have read the plastic needs to be heated to a considerable temperature to release the chemical - and you wouldn't be giving such a hot bottle to a child?  Is that correct? 

Singling out Avent is a little harsh - for they may also manufacture products that don't contain this chemical, and I am sure that they are not the only company that could be at fault.  Perhaps it would be best to advise that and for parents to be aware of the chemical and how to source products that don't contain it.  How have you been able to determine which plastic is used in the manufacture of the new bottles that you have chosen? 

This is a common type of plastic used in many drink and food storage containers - as well as cling wraps etc. so it could be said that this is a knee jerk reaction to a wide variety of studies that have come up with a small amount of inconclusive evidence.  This advice certainly means that people should do some research and make some informed decisions based on what other information they can find.



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      scbmanner
4.07 (Good) | August 2007 | scbmanner
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Look, I recently became aware of it, and considering the venue I wanted to post some information that might be useful. Consider the title of the original article before you give me too much grief.
Baby 411 authors: 'Toss Avent bottles'

The updated version of “Baby 411" tells readers who want to use polycarbonate plastic baby bottles to limited the washings and heated drying, because the chemical bisphenol A can leach from the products.

But thanks to two recent developments, the authors now say stop using baby bottles and sippy cups made of polycarbonate plastic altogether.

The first change was the statement in a medical journal by 38 BPA researchers that said BPA posed a significant health risk.

Days later, a federal panel convened by the National Institutes of Health said there is "some concern" the chemical could cause behavioral and neurological problems in young children.

"Specifically, parents should stop using Avent's Natural Feeding Bottle and Dr. Brown's Natural Flow (or any bottle made of polycarbonate plastic)---these products were previously recommended by BABYBARGAINS," the authors said in the August Baby Bargains newsletter.

"All baby bottles and sippy cups made of polycarbonate plastic should be avoided," said author and consumer advocate Denise Fields. "If you are shopping for bottles, chose an alternative made from BPA-free plastic or glass. If you have polycarbonate bottles, throw them out."

The FAQs section from the Baby Bargains newsletter provides some good answers:



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           llmunchkin
4.86 (Excellent) | August 2007 | llmunchkin
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Hi  thanks for the detailed response to my questions - that's great and it will help people to be able to be more aware.  In fact you could even edit the advice to include that additional information, as new comers and non members who read the advice might not think to look at the comments and would miss this information. 

Here is some basic advice about reporting too - just in case you need it for the future.  I think it is good that this topic has created debate and encouraged people to do research on the information that you provided, however you need to keep an open mind, and don't take queries or differing opinions too personally - thanks for your great efforts.


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                DarkenedAngel
3.82 (Good) | August 2007 | DarkenedAngel
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I agree, there's more great advice that has come up in the comments you have posted that really should be added into the article itself. I especially liked the link you provided right down the bottom giving the info on what bottles had what levels, etc. I still think you should generalise the article and not target any one brand however.

Cheers, DA



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                scbmanner
4.86 (Excellent) | August 2007 | scbmanner
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I appreciate your great advice. Thanks...


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mum2four
4.29 (Good) | August 2007 | mum2four
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oh well I have a suggestion,just buy a new bottle every month and then you know it will be safe,but the enviroment may not be because of all the bottle thrown out.That is technology they can make these products  for us that make our daily life much easier , but it is always at a cost.There is a new other story out at the moment about phalmaldahide in our clothing when we purchase them especially if they are made in China.Always something.

                                                                     Cham                                                                    



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AZMom
4.35 (Good) | August 2007 | AZMom
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This was a big thing about 6 months ago. Apparently it is not just limited to one brand, it is all bottles. Apparently the risk is only high if the milk if boiling water is used or heating bottles above a certain temperature (much warmer than a baby can stand)

There was talk of going back to glass bottles (I don't really like the thought of these) If your son likes these bottles I think the risk to most people is fairly small, and probably just the same as a different brand.

Thanks for posting.



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merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | merlin0903
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thank you for alerting us to this it is rather interesting info, as i use bottles everyday with charlie not this brand but another and i also change then every few months, i don't heat the milk in the bottles as i use warm water from the kettle for him.

but it is advice and some good information as well, thanks

hugs and kisses



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cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | cazza
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It makes you wonder then why the goevernment allows it to be sold then as many things are recalled every day,,,, and the way the society is on plastic and recylcling its sure is a scary part, as we do things for our kids that we think is good, and then get told its not......

So i am scared of this. as i used those bottles when i breast fed my chidren as back then, this product was highly recommened by a Mother craft nurse..... So hope that my kids will contuie being healthy...

thank you
cazza


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MumKim
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | MumKim
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Thank you. I wasn't aware of this. I have a medulla pump and so bought medula bottles (not that they get much use- she won't take a bottle!). I thought they were expensive but I now see they were worth it. I will keep this in mind when buying a sippy cup.


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DarkenedAngel
4.20 (Good) | August 2007 | DarkenedAngel
Re: Avent Bottles Dangerous - Please read.

Umm... here's a thing: it's not just Advent bottles that use this but most hard clear plastic containers of all types. Even softdrink bottles! The plastic might not seem hard, but look how thin it is. If you thickened it to the same thickness as a baby bottle, wouldn't it be just as hard?

Here's another thing: ALL types of plastic break down. Water is the world's greatest solvent. All liquids that we drink contain water. So all plastic containers that contain any kind of drink will eventually degrade the plastic container. The only way to avoid this is to only purchase and store all our drinks in pure glass. Unfortunately, the breakage factor of glass doesn't make it much safer.

There is no conclusive evidence that storing food or drinks in plastic containers will do us any significant damage - and the page you linked even says that. The breakdown of most of these plastics is so slow that, in most cases, it isn't really worth worrying about. If your baby bottle that was once hard and clear is starting to look a little worn, turning whitish from all the little scratches from washing, or is starting to get soft and flexible, it might be time to replace it.



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      scbmanner
5.00 (Excellent) | August 2007 | scbmanner
Re: Avent Bottles Dangerous - Please read.

Understood, but are you heating up, reusing and feeding your child with this bottles? Are the building blocks of your newborn being put together at the same time you are unnecessarily introducing this potentially damaging product into their system?

I'm not aiming to scare, I just want to pass along the information. The article, if you read it, mentions that this chemical may be found in many plastics, but it isn't harmful until it leaches out thru repeated heating.....

 



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           DarkenedAngel
4.31 (Good) | August 2007 | DarkenedAngel
Re: Avent Bottles Dangerous - Please read.

The easiest way to counteract that for those concerned is to heat the milk in something else and then pour it into the bottle. The point I forgot to make is that the half-life of most plastics is ... about 10,000 years or some such thing. Sure, repeated heating, wear and tear, etc, will degrade it faster, but is it really going to degrade it so much that it causes us a problem if we replace the containers when they need to be?

I'm more worried about the pollutants in the air that we breathe! Not to mention the things that get put into the foods we eat. The chemicals that get sprayed on plants, the fertilisers in the soil, the food that gets fed to livestock...it just can't be avoided. Did you know that butter is only yellow after they add colouring to it? Did you know that some foods and milks have vitamin A added to them, which can cause pregnant women to absorb toxic levels of it and harm the development of their unborn babies without realising it? That many types of fish contain dangerous levels of mercury? There's a lot worse things out there to worry about than whether a baby bottle that is used a few times a day for the first year or so of a baby's life will degrade fast enough to cause the baby a problem. Not to mention, when pregnant, how many times has a mother-to-be re-heated food in a plastic container in the microwave then eaten it? The baby is getting effected before it's even born if this is a real danger.

And I also don't think it is fair to target just one brand of baby bottle when many containers use the same stuff. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that constitutes slander and is illegal?

Just my opinion.



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