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ECV- My Breech Baby.

Anonymous Author (October 2007)

External Cephalic Version was somthing I had heard of, but not as ECV. It was a way of saving mums and babies in days gone by. The Doctor would Turn the Baby in the womb during labour with a high degree of mortality.

When My Consultant suggested that the

safest way for Piglet to be born was to turn her,  I balked.

I had a condition called Symphysis Pubis Dysfunction from which I had not recovered, since Roo was born some 4 years previously.  The pubic join had loosend further causing chronic pain in my hips, legs and some nerve damage to my spine. The worry was that by performing a c-section, the muscle structure holding my hips in place would loosen, causing permanent nerve damage and possibly the use of my legs. The other option was to do the c-section, then wire my hips at the same time. This however brought its own risks of damage.

My Consultant explained that she had performed ECV's on a number of bubs and all had been succesfull. She layed out the pros and cons and asked me to seriously consider allowing her to do the procedure. I went home and discussed the situation with my hubby.

Pros if succesfull:

-  Natural delivery------Minimal risk of further nerve damage-------No Anisthetic needed----------No stiches or extended healing as in c-section.-----60-70% success rate.

Cons if unsuccessfull:

-  The baby turns back-----1-2% Risk of Mortality-----The Umbilical wraps round bub------Placenta Abruption------Preterm Labour------Waters break during turn-------pain.

Now comes the preassure decision.  Piglet turned on her own.  The pain of her turning was hell so I was whipped up to the maternity hospital by hubby.  It was decided to that I come in and start labour incase she turned back, I was 37 weeks.  They stuck the hormone in an asked me to walk the wards. Which I duly did.  I slept well and comfortably but on waking the pain came back. I  lay crying but could not speak.  The midwife was saying, honey I'll get the doc you dont have to suffer, we can give you pain relief.  She poor girl thought I was in labour, and if I opened my mouth to tell her otherwise, I would have scared all first time mums into hysterics ,because all I wanted to do was scream.  Bless though, by the time the doc came I was sitting up as cheerfull as anything, no pain but a body full of endorphines.  I informed the bemused chap that my bub had gone breech again.  He actually groaned.  Poor chap.  He really was worried about having to do an ECV.

My Consultant was called and she halted the hormone treatment untill she could get to the ward and talk to me. Crunch time. If an ECV was going to happen it had to happen today. Why?

1 ECV's are not performed after 37 weeks as baby has grown too big and the risks to Mum and Bub go up drastically.

2 The amniotic fluid decreases after 37 weeks ready for the birth.

Now that I think back, I agreed to go with her advice because i wanted a natural delivery and anisthetic makes me very sick. All thoughts about the risks flew away and I just wanted to meet Piglet. So now it begins.

I am moved to a Labour room next to theatre.  An anethitist comes and gives me a talk on what he will do if the worst happens, he puts a line in my arm ready to administer anisthetic should the cord wrap round bub etc.  A whole team of nurses troop in and explain they are on theatre duty and will break my waters in theatre as soon as baby is turned.  Two will hold my legs, two will be holding and pushing bub down into the pelvis as soon as the waters break.  One will have the portable scan to ensure the cord does not tangle and two will be there to hold my hand as hubby will be getting scrubbed in after the ECV. ?  Ah!  hold on, what about the low risk. This is the NHS, they are constantly under staffed. I'm seriously worried now.

My consultant turns up in day clothes with two nurses, a young House Doc and a portable scan.  I launch, you said this was safe,blah, blah,blah.  Oh Honey this is safe, but if something went wrong and we are not prepared, you will sue.  The Hospital Trust are nervous since the chap up in medical died of a knee infection. If I felt any worries I would be scrubbed up, but I'm not because all is going to be well.

My ECV starts. The consultant scans bub to get the position.  Once they are sure and have a plan, they lay hands on bubs bottom, shoulders and head.  They gently push and pull through manipulation.  Once bub starts to move they continue to scan each few seconds to ensure that all is well. Some bubs move fast, some more slowly.  Piglet moved slowly, they did not force her, but gently prevented her from moving back into the previous position.  Once she was in position the Theatre nurses came in and held piglet in position as I was wheeled in.  They broke my waters, pushed piglet into the pelvis and smiled.  Your bub will be coming tonight.

I am still waiting for the pain of bub being turned. It was painless, just a pulling sensation and no discomfort.  Back to Labour Ward, intravenous drip to speed up labour and four hours later Piglet arrived all 71/2Ibs.  I asked the young House Doc how many ECV's she had done, she smiled beautifully and said "this is my first". I asked her how many the consultant had done, "four, all successfull.  All done at 36-37 weeks. She will not do an ECV before because if you dont induce straight away, the bub could turn breech again.

My Advice is to seriously consider this method of turning.  However dont allow them to turn bub unless you are ready to go straight into induced labour. Turning can cause distress to the bub, in some cases and if done too early baby can be born premature.  Piglet was resusitated at birth because the speed of turning to birth was fast and did cause a little distress.

I would not risk an ECV  then go home, as if done before your delivery is set, then bub could move back to their comfortable position.  Breech babies can turn in minutes right up untill natural labour starts.  However the risks are still less than with a c-section or natural breech delivery, for bub and mum, so it is worth having as an option if you really want a comfortble natural delivery.

I hope this story helps someone who may be considering this method of turning.

Best Wishes. Winnie.x

 

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iamschild
November 16th | iamschild
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.

Wow. What an Experience! You are a lovely story teller, Winnie! Sure your not Christopher Robin?



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ellamia
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | ellamia
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
Great info and story. Never got in that situation. thank you for sharing this

Love Kelly


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mummy2girls
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | mummy2girls
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.

i had to have c section with my 1st little princess cause of pre eclampsia and she was breech... and i had SPD!!!!!!

o.... and she started to become a little distressed, but once she was out to face the world she was happy and now nearly 4 years later still hasn't shut up!!!!

emily however was breech for ages and i didn't even notice that she had turned herself, i had SPD and was on crutches had 3 false starts and she appeared 3 days before my elective section in less than 2 hours!!!

so i never had my babies turned although it was mentioned when i was pregnant with my 1st, but apparently after you've had a section in your next pregnancies the Drs are less willing to try to turn breech babies because the risks are increased.......

your scar tissue makes your uterus weaker and there is the risk of the scar opening whilst the turn is taking place though manipulation!!!!

so if emily had not made her appearance the right way round, it would have meant another c section, for sure...

it's good to read about others experiences and how different all our pregnancies and births are, thanks for sharing your experience...

lol to you and your family from me and mine!  lisa xxxx.



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      winniesanders
October 2007 | winniesanders
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
I  just love the fact that no two bubs make the same entrance into the world. Individuals from day 1. oh and those crutches, what a mercy they are. Poor you, two c-sections. I just hate any form of anisthetic, it really makes me vomit. When they gave me an Epidural with Roo, I spent the whole time, filling a bowl, the poor mid wife was not impressed.He He. I hope you got over your SPD quickly. I still have pain from it, as my cartilage never firmed up again. However I have two lovely Girls and can live with a bit of an ouch,knowing how lucky i am, to have them. Best Wishes. Winnie and Family.x


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Arna
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | Arna
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
Wow!  All mine head down early and no moving!  Not even when they were late! lol.  Cheeky little monkeys starting younger and younger with th pranks!  Glad it all worked out in the end!


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      winniesanders
October 2007 | winniesanders
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
They do all like to remind us of their individuality, dont they. Roo was head down thankfully, but got stuck, as my hubby put it, round the U Bend. Cheeky Man. Yeah Roo was late, she made me wait and wait and wait, even after my show. A real little madam. You just got love them all, and would'nt it be boring if they all entered the world in the same manner. Love Winnie.


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AZMom
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | AZMom
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.

Great advice! So pleased it worked out for you and piglet!

JB was breech and the Drs and midwives would not believe me.. until I was 10 cms dilated and they decided to take me to the delivery room for induction?!?!? Long story!  I wish I was given this option, I so regret not being more forceful with the hospital staff.

Thanks for sharing.

Lorna



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      winniesanders
October 2007 | winniesanders
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
Strange is'nt it how you can spend nine months with a bub inside and the staff  still think, you dont know what you are talking about. They really think we dont know our own bodies and our bubs movements. The amazing thing is they never learn, from the experience. Wierd. Glad all worked out in the end for you though. The best bit no matter how scarey is holding your little one. Yeaaaaaaaaa.lots of luv. Winnie


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Domestic-warrior
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | Domestic-warrior
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
Kaelan was breech but not discovered until i was 8cm!  I don't know how they didn't know ,everybody said it was a bottom they were feeling up the top but really it was his head!  Your story sounds scary......i think i would have been concerned so maybe it's lucky i didn't know until the last minute!  Thanks for the insight.


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      winniesanders
October 2007 | winniesanders
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.

Oh dear, that was a bit remiss of them. I think your situation sounds more scarey. However I suppose in the midst of labour we just have to go with the flow. Well done you.

Lluv Winnie.x



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           Domestic-warrior
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | Domestic-warrior
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
Yeah, this is true.  I wasn't happy about a cesear either but i think i chose the lesser of two evils! They gave me the option to deliver breech.  In an ideal world you wouldn't have had to go through what you went through either!  Your right we have to go with the flow.....


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LibbyS
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | LibbyS
Re: ECV- My Breech Baby.
Thanks for sharing your story - I didn't realise this was an option for breach bubs.


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