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Smacking aint a dirty word...

dawesi by dawesi Walking(February 2008) (rank 500+)

It's becoming pretty common place lately for half truths and outright lies to be promoted as ultimate truth.  One very evidant area in which this happens is in the area of disciplining our children. The debate is very polarised, in a very misleading way.

In one corner are the

parents (mainly female and some males) that disapprove of smacking  As the natural nurturer of the family, this comes as no surprise, after all it is a natural role for a mother to be the one to comfort and provide a shoulde to cry on.

To the other corner we find another group of parents (mainly men, but more women here, then men over there) where they believe as part of a discipline regime, smacking has a very real and meaningful place. Once again this is no surprise as one of the natural roles of a father is to take on the lead role of discipline and challenging boundaries. This role is extremely important for setting and testing boundaries, a process that

In the middle are the parents who through a combination of common sense, experience and reasearch come to the realisation that as long as you use a consistant escallation of discipline, then children will learn healthy boundaries through a series of choices of which have concequences.

The problem I have with this debate is that the position of the anti group is that smacking is considered harmful in any form, however only extreme examples are cited. The oversignt is that the greater majority of the population have been smacked and they are fine.  The anti-smacking crowd however have no problems with manipulation of the mental variety. Perhaps someone should investigate "should mental abuse be illegal". The  whole debate has been sidelined into politically correct extremism.

This whole debate is actually irrelevant. We all agree that abuse is not good. The list of no-nos for parents includes nagging, physically displacing, name calling, screeming, throwing and tantrums to name a few. They are the things to avoid, not the methods that have actually worked for hundreds of years (like a well crafted glare, a firm warning or a smack).

The bigger picture of good boundaries and respect for each other is a great starting point.  Teaching your children why you disipline them is just as important as the disipline itself. It's about time we started acting how we want our children to be, after we are their best role model

Why use extreme examples and not the norm to reduce extreme behaviour? Why use the exception to prove the rule and take away a very effective proven form of discipline.

Sounds out of balance don't you think?

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Kellzacar
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

Hi there,

For me as a mum, a parent, a disciplinarian and a carer of children I believe that this is a subject that often tends to get out of control and sadly tends to lead to conflict . . .

I have very firm beliefs here . . . "It is okay to smack BUT it is NOT okay to belt your child"

Often when raising children many parents are faced with the dilemma of whether to smack or not. Whilst I think this is a very personal choice I also fell that parents need to be realistic. In truth there will at least one situation where a child will need a smack or a tap. I use several parenting techniques such as 123 and positive parenting skills BUT I also am willing to give my children a smack if need be.

Cheers Kellz



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Arna
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Arna
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

I think this makes some very good points.  We smack our girls, but only when they have pushed the boundaries too far, or are going back for the second, third etc bite of the cherry.

Minti needs to have an Article Of Interest section where articles that aren't always advice can be show cased.  I don't mean a group, but a public section where parents can show case their writing.  Parenting or not, articles of interest written by parents are still valuable to parents.



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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | llmunchkin
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

Is this advice?  I think it is interesting and it raises some good points and the comments added so far are great.  However I still don't really see any advice about the topic - except to be a good role model of course.  What advice do you actually have about smacking?



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lillkatheryn
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | lillkatheryn
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

I was spanked, had my hand smacked as a kid by my mom and I never felt/feel that she abused me.  Though my stepfather never did that and he abused me badly.  I give my daughter the counting and warn her that if I get to three she gets a spanking...I don't have to do it often and when I do it's normally cause she has hurt her brother....My hubby is the same, he used to get puniched with the belt, and he is a great man.  I think now a days with all these lights on abuse many parents feel they can't punish how they were punished and thus kids are more unruley and disrespectful.  But it is a fine line at times, tho I feel most parents only do it as an escalation punishment....



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angieh
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | angieh
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

Congratulations on being brave to discuss this topic.

I agree, people who are against it will only give really bad examples of belting, where those who do smack would just give a little 'love tap' or something. I think giving a belting should be illegal, but giving a 'love tap' when necessary is ok.

Actually I remember when I was in high school in 2001, we had to do a talk on who we know perosnally that inspires us. One of my classmates did a talk on his mum/dad (can't remember which one now) and how he was glad that he was disciplined because he was quite a rowdy boy. He got so out of hand that eventually his mum/dad/both parents smacked him and he said that he was smacked... and if he had rowdy kids that were mini versions of him when he was little, he would smack them too where necessary. The teacher then asked us whether when we have kids and they were being really naughty, whether we would smack them. Just about everyone put their hand up and my teacher was appalled as she believes there are better ways of discipline than smacking!

On another note, it's amazing in Singapore where they still do caning, that the crime levels are extremely low... but then again they do have more Police out in the field?



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cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | cazza
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

As a mum and a Foster Mum, there is a diffrence between a smack and a belting,,, and yes its ok to tap on the bum if need be as i was previousely told by a worker through Docs.....

What isnt allowed is smacking them that hard that it leaves a mark, belting them around the head,etc... That in itself is classed as abuse.....

I personally have tapped my children when they were younger, and have learnt that i have other parent skills that sometimes work in my house, does that make me a unfit Mum , No it doesnt.....

Some parents Just need to learn the difference, and what works in my house , may not work for others...

I also want to point out that i was a abused child as well, and my parents discapline started out as a smack, and then they would lash out in frustration, that in it self is not Good....

I have done many articles on this area, and feel so strongly on what is classed as abuse and not abuse....

thankyou..

cazza



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jenaya04
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | jenaya04
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

Hi there

You are a very brave minti member for starting this...previously, the smacking debate has gotten quite heated.

I smack my daughter occassionally on the bottom. There, I said it....(I'm ducking for cover now). She gets her warnings and her timeouts and then if all else has failed then i give her a smack. generally it doesnt even get to this stage. I dont agree with using belts etc. to discipline as it once was.

It does bring up a valid point tho..20 yrs ago, it was common practice to smack your children even in public. Kids were "kept in line" and certainly showed respect to older people (even if inside they were really thinking you were a tool!). There wasn't the gang related violence and distruction of property as much as there is now. People were not afraid of a 15yr old and them possibly pulling a knife on you for simply looking at them the wrong way. ...Could this be because we as parents have taken the whole no smacking...try the sweet approach to discipling tactic instead? have we tried to do the right thing by our kids but over time it has backfired and we are left with a new generation that simply dont give a rats about anyone but themselves?

I dont know...but ask a few much older citizens and they would probably piont out exactly what I have said..certainly one to consider tho..

Joxx



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KathrynR1402
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | KathrynR1402
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

Smacking is a very emotive issue. Just look at the language we use - proponents will say "a tap on the hand" while oponents will say "a beating". I would not want a tap on the hand made illegal. And you are right, there are plenty of other kinds of abuse which a parent pushed over the edge can stoop to - I've found myself screaming at my 5 year old this week. Im far more ashamed of that than the odd smacked hand, and Im sure she will remember the former far longer than the latter. I was listening to a radio discussion about why Bristish adults are so scared of British teenagers at the moment, and one of the "experts" suggested it is because parents feel disempowered, that they dont feel trusted by society or the State to use their own judgement in the upbringing of their children. And I feel that discipline is just one of the things we are not trusted to know best over any more. Sure, some people go overboard and abuse their kids, but the rest of us shouldnt be tarred with that brush because it is entirely different smacking the hand of a much loved child who has done something dangerous rather than beating a child for whatever reason until they are bruised and in need of hospital treatment. Anyway, vent over! I shall watch the comments arising from your article with much interest!



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      nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | nell18-3
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

Great comment Kathryn

I'm with you on this. Mine are too old to smack now but when younger I did used to smack, but never in temper thats a line that should never be crossed.

Being the victim of emotional abuse myself I know exactly how hurtful words can be and I agree with you that a good scolding can actually cause more damage in some instances.

xxx

 



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           KathrynR1402
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | KathrynR1402
Re: Smacking aint a dirty word...

You make a great point here Helen, about not smacking in temper.

I have been party to conversations (and often I just listen!) where people admit to not believing in smacking and then one at a time admit to smacking in temper and feeling so bad and vowing never to do it again. Whereas, in my book, if you have a gameplan in advance which the child understands, as other people who have commented here clearly have, then it's much safer for the child and much more effective all round. Sometimes vowing never to smack results in the temper line being crossed before anyone quite knows what's happened.

And as we all know, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will.... leave me broken for the rest of my life. Well, they dont seem to heal up so easily, do they? People under estimate the damage a verbal beating can do, or even a nag "you always..., you never... I wish you'd never been born" etc.



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