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Why NOT to hit your child.

mariamum by mariamum Talking(February 2008) (rank 136th)

Before I start, the reason I have written about this is because I feel very strongly about it and I totally understand that lots of people have different ideas on discipline so this is not a criticism but hopefully more of a reason as to why we shouldn't do it. 

Firstly I admit I have hit my children in the past and I am not proud of it, the reason being it never worked, well not for me, and it was always done in anger, generally everyone ended in tears including myself for the feeling of guilt that followed was worse than the punishment itself.  I know the reason I hit was because my mum used to hit me as a child but as I got bigger she stopped not sure why and I have never really asked her.  I can understand now why she did it because she was under a lot of stress with problems at home and most of it was done in anger probably because I was winding her up (still can't remember to this day what I did that made her flip).  Think I forgave her a long time ago and we don't talk about it at all.  Well I think that is reason number one.

Reason number two my best friend's mother did the same thing to her and she still suffers from the effects of what her mother did to her even now and she is 40.  She hates her mother and although her mother has passed away she still can't forgive her.  Now I understand they are various kinds of punishments from the slight slap to the more violent things that you might hear about on the news but for me none of this works.  And if you think screaming and shouting and yelling at your kids are better let me tell you they leave scars too.

My husband has always told me stories about his mum some of which I found hard to believe but she never physically hit him the damage was done in other ways.  I won't go into the stuff he's told me incase he doesn't want it broadcasted but both him and his sister have never had any love for their mother because of this and they both still talk about the things that happened now like it was only yesterday.  So these memories are not easy to get rid of.  Maybe this is reason number three, who knows, I'll let you decide.  I know I forgave my mum but I can't live with hate some people can bear a grudge forever but I'm not like that.

Anyway after watching and reading many books on discipline I have found the calm and firm method works the best and obviously if they are having a tantrum the ignoring method works for that one.  My youngest (4 years old) still doesn't understand things, he's tries his best but learning about what behaviour is right and wrong is a very long road for him and yes he gets upset when he gets things wrong and finds having a tantrum the best way to deal with this but I am still trying to teach him what is acceptable and not acceptable behaviour and will be teaching him for a while to come.  I'm sure a lot of mothers out there are thinking well my child's behaviour is a lot worse than yours but I hope you will try alternatives when my son was a lot younger 2 to 3 years of age his tantrums were a lot worse and it was a lot harder to reason with him, so I used time out techniques where I would carry him to his bed and leave him in his bedroom for 2 minutes (well it's supposed to be 1 minute for every year of their life)  whilst standing outside the door and then after the time was up I would try and explain what I had done and why, when he had calmed down.  Time out is good for you as well as the kid as it gives you both the space to chill out. There are various methods you can use and you will be able to work out what works best for you.

I hope this helps anyone who is still sitting on the fence about what discipline method is the best to choose and I hope it helps you to make your mind up. 

Thanks for reading xxxx

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Kellzacar
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Hi there,

Thanks for a very well written and thought out article . . . you raise some interesting points and have mangaged to do so without upsetting anyone . .

Cheers Kellz



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Thanks Kellz

I did try hard and had to choose my words very carefully, especially after WWII I didn't want to be the cause of WWIII, lol.



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HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | HarrisonsMommy
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

First I would like to congratulate the members of Minti for not going into WW III with the responses to this advice.  It is refreshing to see differing points of view and each other responding nicely to what has been said, even though it may differ from the authors advice.  Well done!

Mariamum...thanks for this advice.  And to everyone else, thanks for sharing your stories.  My parents used physical punishment and stopped around my early teens I think.  It wasn't excessive and I am fine.  But, I don't want to use physical punishment on Harrison.  I will every way possible to not hit.  Thanks for the ideas...



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Thanks for reading.  I don't see the point in arguing with other people's opinions because people will only listen if they want to.  I have learnt from my experiences that shouting and screaming and being rude and abusive to others doesn't work, so you won't get any trouble out of me, my tabs are too strong, lol.

Good luck with Harrison and if you ever run out of ideas always ask another mum they are normally the best source of information.



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alishas-mummy
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | alishas-mummy
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

great article !

when i was studying Psychology, i got to hear a lot of differing views on physical punishment...
even though i don't think i'll be using it on my daughter, i totally respect that this method might work with other parents :)

however, one important point i learnt in class is that whenever you do use physical punishment, always make sure that you explain why you're doing it.... a child will only learn if you teach them... and if they believe that you're hitting them just for the sake of hitting them, this might encourage violent behaviour...

for me, my mother threatening to hit me with the fly swatter would scare me enough. hahahaha



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      mariamum
February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Totally agree, the way I see it is that if someone was to hit you how would you feel or react.......so why should a child feel any different to you.     I also agree that it is difficult for a lot of people to be calm,after I learnt that losing my temper was making me feel suicidal I had to take medication to help me stay calm, so in effect I think I'm cheating a bit at the good parenting role which is why I understand how other people feel who are struggling or not. 

So I'm not here to judge but to help if I can.  



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           alishas-mummy
February 2008 | alishas-mummy
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

dont worry, i dont think you're judging :)

but yeah, this topic has so many different sides to it...
i guess when it comes down to it, every situation has a context, so every situation's different :)

all we can do now is support each other with our decisions...
because im sure everybody here does the best that they can :)

thank you for bringing up a very important topic, with some excellent points xox



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Amerlinwinga
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Amerlinwinga
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Thanks for sharing and well written! I do smack my youngest child of 2 and i dont smack my 3yo.....Yes no one jump up and down yet its not bec i like one more than the other its just on needs it and the other doesnt.  My 2yo gets a smack when she chucks a tantrum! Because if i dont smack her she will end up in hospital with split open head well just about anything. she has smashed my sliding door twice, lounge window, plaster with feet as well as head, and i can keep going.  She has given me a blood nose black eyes and black cheekbone. I have had the holding down thing down pack for a while and it worked but as she got older she got stronger but the only thing that she responds to now is a smack on the bottom. I didnt agree with smacking and i still dont but in the case of my 2yo its the only thing that keeps her safe. 

Hugs tee 



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      mariamum
February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Thanks Tee

Yep I know those tantrums are just so bad my one used to bash his head on the floor and it used to make me wince to hear the thump so the only way I could put a stop to that was to put him in his bed/cot and at least he was safe enough to trash it out in there, without me giving it my attention in case I had to dial 999.   But I was never far away I would sit on the stairs and wait...........but I know some kids do a lot worse so whatever you need to do to keep them safe from themselves, do it. 



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stacey79
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | stacey79
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

great advice.

i do smack as it works  for us .

but this is great advice for people who want an altenitive, we have tried different methods and not just for 1 week or 2 we tried it for 1 year. 1 very long year full of strees ( i neasrly went bald) lol

well done

stace



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

That is where the problem is I think a lot of the alternatives we try are difficult to implement.  I remember when I first learned about time out I thought brilliant finally an answer to all my probs but it wasn't, you will find what works for you but never stop looking around for other ways or even asking other mums what methods worked for them and how long it took before it started working.  I will put down the methods I used and how long they took to work or if they were very effective or not.

I mean a lot of it can just be common sense for example if you know your one and a half year old has just started to walk and will do a runner in the shops or start attacking the items on the lower shelf then put them in a trolley and keep them occupied with food or shopping or books.   I mean people who leave dangerous substances in low cupboards without a child lock is asking for probs a young child can't tell the difference between a bottle of bleach and a bottle of lemonade.   I hope you get my jist.



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           stacey79
February 2008 | stacey79
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

i understand what your saying and i agree we have child proofed the home and silly thing like spilling drinks and knocking things over or getting into my makeup and what i smack over they are things we deal with with words it doesnt work but we still try every day.



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Libby24
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Libby24
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

 have to agree that this is a works for some and not others. My daughter doesnt do time out. we have to phsyically tie her down to keep her there, which i donot agrre with so a small tap on her hand or bum  iss all that we do. She 99% stops and will in 20 mins come and say sorry for what she has done. My son on the other hand who is autistic cant be disaplined. now dont think i am hard or hate me for this but we tryed everything we could think of. time out is a good thing for him he loves being by himself and sometimes he self harms by smashing his head on the wall punching himself and stabbing himself with a pencil. we can hit him and he laughs. so my hubby puts him in " loving restraint" where he will either pin him down on our bed untill he stops tantruming 30 mins was the longest i think and he talks to him whiile he does this. I will stress that we have tryed everything with him and this is the only way we can a: have him not harming himself and b: get him to understand why and what he did wrong.

but i will add that in most of our disaplining all we need to do with our kids is a loud and sharp NO and that is wrong/naughty and everything is fine.



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      Libby24
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Libby24
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

i would like to add i was abused by my mum both phsyically and menatll as a child to even now.



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      kathryn-solaris
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | kathryn-solaris
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

hey liz, that whole hold em down trick works a charm hey, used to use that with logan for the tantrums when he was younger. he hated sitting still. no wonder he is so blinkin strong now he and us got a real workout with that. ::) the no thing works with rhiannon, she rarely needs anything futher. wish i knew how to stop the constant sooking when she dosn't get her way though. she is such a girly girl....grrr! hehe ::)'s hope you are well. - becca!



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Your a brilliant mum I know dealing with autism is very difficult and even though I have never actually experienced it myself I have watched programmes about it and my friends who have autistic children say it's a whole different set of rules when you deal with them. 

When my mum hit me I only had two very vivid memories of what happened the first was almost smashing my head on the fireplace and the second was when I was older at a guess I must have been 10 and she went for me but I hit back and my dad had to step in and protect me.   But if you were to see us now we are so close I only really understood why she did what she did when I had children myself, but for me I want to change the cycle of history and do things differently.  I hope you understand.  Thanks Maria xxxx



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           Libby24
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Libby24
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

i understand.

My mum used to kick the back of me knees to dislocate them and throw cups at me hit me with a paddle and wodden spoons till my skin split. I have never forgiven my mum and i wont. she has in no way made an apploigy and thinks she had done nothing wrong. I also was locked in my room alot and this happened untill i was 17.



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                mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

OMG Libby I am so sorry to hear this. 



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Arna
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Arna
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

We smack as a last resort, usually after 12 hours (exaggerating!) or trying to get their attention and I've lost my voice! As our girls get older, more and more we have been able to reason with them, but they still need a reminder every now and then.  I don't like having to smack, but I also don't want my kids (even as babies) to think that grabbing things off shelves when shopping etc is acceptable.  I have seen many times parents who are trying to reason with babies (6mths) and slightly older children that are tired and cranky, and let me tell you, those parents were the ones who had ended up in tears, and the kids always had a smug look on their face cause they won!

I agree that it should be a last resort, and as a child is able to be reasoned with (getting older etc) then it should be phased out.  We are trying this now with the older ones, with mixed success.  We only ever smack on the hand (the palm works well, and doesn't 'hurt' them or leave a mark) and the bum/ flesshy top of legs.  Often when they cry, it is out of indignation, not pain or fear, and they stop the bad behaviour.  I also think that if you have a larger family, close in age, then it is harder to try other forms of discipline.  Beleive me, I tried the Supper Nanny way for a whole month.  I spent the whole month not eating, only going to the toilet when my partner was home and barely keeping up with the rest of the kids needs.  Really, I did try, but they were just way to young to understand, even when they spent days back and forward to their room for the same behaviours!

I'm sorry your friend is still suffering.  Obviously, in her case, it was taken way to far.



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Hi Arna

My friend will never forgive or forget I'm afraid, but she has done things differently more so because she never wants to be like her mother was.  She has four beautiful children and one who is my goddaughter but they are lovely children they have never misbehaved when I have been there or baby sat them.  My friend does moan about them though but then nothing is perfect, lol.



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Domestic-warrior
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | Domestic-warrior
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

So when you feel you are at that breaking point what do you do?  Count to 10, walk away, cry??  I find the hardest thing is the relentlessness of it all, OMG i've got years of it to go yet...HELP!!!!



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Yep I've done that when I'm at breaking point I would go somewhere away from the situation and try and calm down because I knew that when I got angry I lost any ability to restrain myself.   And both my breakdowns were caused by my anger and both times it was because I got myself into a fight with another adult.   Anger doesn't work for me I'm afraid.

You know the hardest bit for me was feeling alone, I didn't know who I could turn to for help or advice, so I am hoping after I add a bit more to my advice there will be somewhere for people to go to.



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cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | cazza
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Great advice and its good to read other people''s views and ways that they raise their children..

 We find at my house that reward charts, time out , and grounding for our children work well.. But i also do respite care and smacking or scolding isnt allowed for other children.. We can say a firm No, but there is not allowed to be put downs.. and i personally wouldnt do it either..

I was abused as a child, and its not just the smack on the bum that leaves the scars, as kids get over that very quickly.. The words that some parents use scar more...

My Birth mother still knows what words to use to remind me what my childhood was like. so for me how i raise my children and protect other children that come into my house does reflect on how i was raised...

This article sure did touch home for me, and for some it would be touchy area, and sure did bring back memories....

xxx cazza



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Thanks Cazza

Rewards charts are brilliant once you get them going and the children know what they have to do to get those gold stars.  I loved the sense of pride they got when they got their stars. 

My mum never verbally abused me but it's a shame because the only lesson I got in how to be a mother was from her, she wasn't all bad just had her breaking points, my mum and dad used to fight like cat and dog but I'd always take my mum's side.  It is only now as an adult I can see their individual human strengths and weaknesses and that they were both just dealing with a situation the only way they knew how to.  I still love them dearly.



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           cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | cazza
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Ok fair enough,..,

For me i am my childrens and other childrens protectors in my house and would not allow no one to land a hand on them while they are under my roof...

xx cazza



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janicepovey
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | janicepovey
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

This is well written advice....must admit over the years of bringing up my children i did smack them and as you said, found it was out of anger and  frustration, that i didn't bave control over the situation......but soon learnt that discipline was not learnt out of anger.

There are many more ways to teach your children right from wrong and you have stated them well in this advice!

Cheers Janice



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      mariamum
5.00 (Excellent) | February 2008 | mariamum
Re: Why NOT to hit your child.

Thanks Janice

The message I am trying to get across is to try other ways and not to give up.

I just hope it all makes sense, lol.



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