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Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

Frontier by Frontier Young Parent(March 2008) (rank 21st)

What do you do when your child becomes defiant and blatantly refuses to do what you ask or what is expected of them?

Depending on the circumstances, how they feel and how you feel, many emotions may come to your mind which will suggest varied responses to "No I

wont do it" "I don't care" and when they show you bold disrespect.

We could run a poll and see what the most common responses you may use but the following will often be up there:

  • Get angry and yell at the child (a tried and true basic animal instinct often used as a first resort for our world leaders)
  • Give in and avoid the conflict and effort (an easy option that allows you to get back to what you were doing even if it means doing the same next time)
  • Threaten and possible use of physical encouragement (smacking etc, often the second resort used by our world leaders)
  • Calmly explain why you want them to do as they are told and why they should do so (What Dr Phil would tell you to do)
  • Offer a reward if they do as they are told (reward their bad behavior)
  • Offer a bribe if they do as they are told (create an instant reward for their bad behavior)
  • Theaten and possible removal of privelages 

There is another option that we have found works well for us while our children are still young (8 and 5) and we have used this method from the very beggining and still has great effect. We call it "Out of the loop" (exclusion method). whenever one of our lovely little boys gets a little uppetty and defiant we (sometimes half jokingly) warn they will be out of the loop if they continue their bad behaviour. The warning is often enough but there are times when we have to announce that one of them is out of the loop.

What does this mean?
When you are out of the loop you are not involved in regular family activites such as playing games, current conversations, trips to the shops, using toys and devices that encourage solitude (computers, music players, playstations and other gaming consoles). You are sent to your room sometimes however it is sometimes more effective if you are stuck on the outside looking in. You are still fed and talked to for basic functions until you are let back in the loop.

How do you get back in the loop?
All you have to do is comply with the behavior you were requested to display. If if was bad behavior you would be have to explain what you did wrong and why it was wrong. If it was a function (chore) you did not do you would have to do it and with a good attitude. If it was because of a feud you would have to appologise to each other and so on.

Always provide a way back into the loop.

  • Never set demands the child will not agree to (some world leaders do this when they actually want a conflict)
  • Set demands they will learn from (get them to explain why they were excluded)
  • Set demands that caress their pride (this is important for those stubborn types)
  • Set demands that that teach responsibility without blame. (Focus on understanding the wrong behavior and not who committed it)

We have tried all the methods mentioned here and find that mild exclusion (Out of the loop) is the most productive and least disruptive to the daily family routines.

I hope this advice can be of some help to you too. 

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Domestic-warrior
March 2008 | Domestic-warrior
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

Excellent advice, i really like this.  I  think it is worth giving it a go with my three year old who is very stubborn and also gets very upset if something doesn't go his way.  Do you actually put them in their bedroom or just have them in the same room and ignore them?



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Ravenheart
March 2008 | Ravenheart
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

great advice, very helpful

xoxox



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cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | cazza
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

Excellent article and advice.. and this works for my older ones as they dont like to miss out on anything,,. Am currently working on my 4 year old  with it..

xxx cazza



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katierose
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | katierose
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Hi,

I like this as it works a treat! With younger cherubs- needing the immediate action for the behaviour, it hasn't always worked ( ie: when we  are 2-3 hours from home and the routines that you can leave them out of the loop from!) but most of the time it works really well.

However, it does need to be immediate for younger children- ie: removal from the same room until they say they are sorry for their behaviour. They need to be able to remember why they have been removed or excluded. ( iam talking 18 months to 4 years of age)



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      Frontier
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Frontier
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

Yes you are right. The youngsters live very much in the present so it all has to happen straight away. It is good to do it from the start as it helps to keep you level headed as they become older, bolder and think a little more.



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Ngairi
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Ngairi
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

It is great advice. I love doing things this way with my kids. Works just about everytime. Especially losing the computer for the eldest one, who has a few anger management issues.



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      Frontier
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Frontier
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

The computer is a great bargaining chip for my 8yo but Mr 5 responds better if I will not play footy or cricket with him as he is more sports minded.

you need to find the currency that works best with each individual.



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Izzy
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Izzy
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

I've done something similar with my 3 year old when he was younger. He started hitting and so I decided to just ignore him and left him out of the loop. I started doing things in the kitchen with exaggerated excitement and pretty soon, he wanted to be included in what I was doing. It worked great.  There was not much of a loop then because it was just the two of us in the house, but with the twins growing, and on the weekends when Daddy is here, it should work even better now.

Thanks!



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      Frontier
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Frontier
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

I had to use it on Mr 5 tonight ... the show was over in minutes as he is very social.



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pavementcracks70
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | pavementcracks70
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

hey there

great article on how to deal with passive aggressive behaviour

in the loop/out the loop - I love it! it will definetly be something I will use in the future!

setting demands that they will learn from and caress their pride will go a long way even for the sullen ones!!

thanks for sharing rue

 



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Kellzacar
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

Hi there,

Thanks for a terrific article that has many great options to choose from  . . Dealing with defiant children can be very stressful and many parents are left feeling stressed out and unsure of themselves . . Hopefully this article will go a long way towards helping out many parents in this situation ..

Cheers Kellz



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      Frontier
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2008 | Frontier
Re: Obedience - Using the Exclusion Method

It may not work for everyone but humans gennerally do not like being left out as we are such social beings.



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