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Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Anonymous Author (September 2008)

Re: Seen and not heard
Asked by monyq83

Question:

I was just wondering if I could have your opinions on the 'seen and not heard' debate.

Id love to hear what you have to say both for and against this matter.

Thanks.


My Advice:
 

Hi there,

I have major issue's with the 'seen and not heard' statement . . .  I believe that ALL children have a right to be heard, they all have their own personalities and opinions regardless of their age. If you are open to new things and honest with your children then they can open you up to a whole new world of possibilities . . .

Children brought up in the world of 'being seen and not heard' are often stifled, quiet, withdrawn and to be honest are little lost soles . .  This antiquated belief is not in a child's best interest and I believe that in some ways it is a abuse of a child's natural rights . .

My eldest's father believes in the 'seen and not heard' and my eldest would always come back from visitations angry and hurt as she constantly felt that she didn't matter . . . . By the time she was 8 she was refusing to go to visitations and then at 13 she ended up so angry that she finally vented to her dad . .  Needless to say their relationship is stifled and frustrating . . . As a mum it was and is very sad to see!

Children have rights to - Children have opinions - Children need to be able to communicate freely and openly - Children are just little adults in the making so treat them with the same respect that you like for yourself, be open to new opinions and insights and you will be guaranteed to have a loving, respectful relationship with you child!!!

Open yourself up to a world of possibilities, by doing so you are opening yourself up to more love, laughter and compassion than you could ever imagine . . .

Cheers Kellz

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EmmaKay
October 2008 | EmmaKay
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

You are a very wise woman!  I love your comments about how if we really actually listen to those innocent voices, we open up a whole new and very valuable world that us adults have seem to forgotten all about.  I think the debate should sometimes be should adults be seen and not heard (lol) because we get so caught up in our own worlds of self, that we forget to look at the big picture, to forgive, to see the good in others.  My son and the neighbour's kid can have a fight about a train and then in the next 10 seconds remember that they are still best friends and go play in the sandpit - whereas too many adults hold onto too many hurts and grudges.  Sometimes adults just need to SHUT UP and listen to those pearls of wisdom for the innocent mouths of babes.



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      Kellzacar
October 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi there,

Thanks so much for your great feedback . . I love the part about us adults needing to be seen and not heard at times. . . lol

Cheers Kellz



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emmie
September 2008 | emmie
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

I totally agree with this sometimes i do wish my kids had a mute button ecspecially in the morning but kids have the right to be seen and heard no matter who they are,

Thanx for sharing xxx



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      Kellzacar
October 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi Emz,

Thanks for your feedback - ALL children deserve a right to be heard don't they . . It saddens me when I hear or see a child being silenced for no other reason than the parent not being bothered to listen . .

Cheers Kellz



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DarkenedAngel
September 2008 | DarkenedAngel
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR
I somtimes wish that my kids weren't audible at all, but ultimately, I am trying to raise them to have the same respect as I expect from adults. Sometimes it's hard to find the balance, but simply put, if I wouldn't get annoyed at an adult interrupting me to tell me something, I won't get upset at any child for doing the same. Sometimes what kids say is genuinely important, and often adults interrupt to say totally meaningless BS, but either way, they both think that what they have to say is important because it's important to them, and that is the key - recognising what is important to others before trying to silence or ignore someone. I admit, yesterday morning Aidan was on the computer playing a game while I was trying to sleep (at like 6am!) and he was talking to himself/the game and yelling at the top of his voice in excitement, so I yelled out, "AIDAN?" He replied "yes?" I yelled, "SHUT UP!" He lowered the decibels, but he kept doing it. LOL If we raised all kids with the seen and not heard statement, we'd be going against everything we try to preach about listening to kids when they try to tell us someone is hurting them. We have to listen and be prepared to do so when they need us to listen, not just when it's convenient for us, and we should do the same for adults as well. We as adults don't like it when no one will listen to us because it's inconvenient for them, and thousands of people commit suicide every year - and we wonder why! I'm against the "seen and not heard" principal, but I also believe in having manners at the same time.


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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi DA,

Thanks for the feedback . .  It is very possible to teach kids manners and respect without using the 'seen and not heard" mentality . .  Each time our children use thier manners they are showing us respect because its something we have taught them and there are many other signs of respect, you just need to look . . .

Cheers Kellz



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nell18-3
September 2008 | nell18-3
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

I totally believe that ALL children have a right to be seen, heard and believed

Thats why my son retreated into his shell for so long as he was too scared of saying or doing the wrong thing !!!!!! Grrrr

Teaching them respect and not to interrupt adult conversations in my opinon is a separate issue altogether.

My children know I will always listen to what they have to say but have had to learn to prioritise their dramas and what is urgent and what is not. They are usually happy to wait because they know they will ALWAYS get their say

xxx

 



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi honey,

Thanks for you feedback . .  Looks like we are in agreement again as I too believe passionately that ALL children should be seen and heard .  I also believe that teaching kids about repsect etc is a totally seperate issue and that this can be taught easily without using the 'seen and not heard'  . . .

I am often shocked to amazed to see just how many children withdraw into themselves as they either fear speaking up or are simply confused as to where thier place may be . . . My girls know that they can talk openly and honestly without fear of being ignored, they also know that they should respect the time and place and act appropriately . . I, like others of my generation are raising happy, healthy and loving children . . .

Cheers Kellz



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nae-aye
September 2008 | nae-aye
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

If the children are there they have a right to be heard.  If you dont want to hear what they have to say then dont have them around the conversation.  In some suitations I dont think its even appropriate for children to be around to be seen.  Remeber children are very clever and learn from what we say so every parent needs to be careful of what our children listen to.



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi there,

Thanks so much for your feedback . . . I see where you are coming from and in part I do agree, sometimes parents don't think about just what thier children can hear when they are having chats etc with other adults. This then often leads to children talk inappropriately and causing friction. . .  Children are very clever and can take parts of 'grownup' conversations and often use them inappropraitely . . This does NOT mean that they should be 'seen and not heard' but in fact means that parents should infact 'think and be child wise'

Cheers Kell



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Rukia
September 2008 | Rukia
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

I believe Children shoud be seen and not heard. I find it is a form of respect to adults.

Dont get me wrong children have voices and can use them, but there is a time and a place for it. There are also maners and respect for others as well.

Mychildren speak when they are spoken to (except my daughter on occasions when she is pushing buttons) they ask "excuse me Mum" if I am speaking and 9 times out of 10 wait to be answered.

As I said in a nother forum reguarding this there are 2 lines to any form of disapline and a fine line between abuse and disapline.

I was brought up this way from my grandparents and I respect what they taught me as a child. Hell it saved my life a many a times cause if I had of spoken back on a few occasions I dont think I would be here today.

Too many kids dont have respect these days and I feel it is cause of the lack of consiquences in there life. They steal a car, big woop, they get suspended from school, big woop. There is no consiquence for any actions any more so they kids play up on it.



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      nabutters
September 2008 | nabutters
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

i do agree with you here, even tho i was always brought up never being able to speak and only heard. I have allowed my kids be heard BUT at a time and place! They have wonderful manners and respect for adults. They were always told to respect their elders....



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           Rukia
September 2008 | Rukia
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

like I said there is a fine line between abuse and disapline. allowing children to speak is god, but they have to have they permission for it.

I find it very rude f u are trying to talk to someone and a child comes along and starts talking. simple maners and then they are spoken to.

Just because I have this rule dosent mean my kids are drawn in or lost souls, they are very talkative and will chew ur ear off if you allow them to, BUT they know if they are told to be quiet it is quiet time. they know to ask if they can speak.

Again simple maners and a lot of respect to go along with it. a simple thank you, please, may i ca go a very long way



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      winja
September 2008 | winja
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

totally agree with you here rukia.

children should be listened to and respected but they should also show respect to adults and be polite.

i hate it when kids think its their right to interupt adult conversation or even be included when is not appropriate, i really dont like it when kids come over have a room full of toys to play with and other kids to chat to and they sit on their mums lap and have to butt in constantly and listen in.

in LIFE we all have to wait our turn and learn the world doesnt revolve around us, parents raise PEOPLE not kids forever and respect is something we need to teach and how to be capable in the real world.

i do not ignore my kids and im very interested in what they have to say and i will listen when they need me but i dont want to be chatting to a friend and have the " muuuuuuuuuum" s over a toy or a tv show.

i think both sides of the seen and not heard debate are tru it just depends on how you see it.



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           Amerlinwinga
September 2008 | Amerlinwinga
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Indeed!!! and agree but must add one thing though,  i think it all depends on the kids age.



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rcp-432
September 2008 | rcp-432
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

i personally hate  when people say that to children everyone has a right to say what they want and be heard especially children at the moment with my kids i would just love to hear them speak as my eldest is non verbal



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joeanne
September 2008 | joeanne
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Children should been seen and heard. We were seen and not heard its not a great  because our families really didnt know us at all, and still dont.



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cathbusymum
September 2008 | cathbusymum
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

 I was lucky to be allowed an opinion when I was a kid growing up and I sure do let my kids have their say now. Sometimes tho lol, I wish they could be quiet. Freedom to express yourself at any age is a right that all ppl should have.



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nabutters
September 2008 | nabutters
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

i also was brought up in this era....i hated it. I have gone the oppisite by allowing my kids to speak up with everything, maybe too much!! LOL... I think that kids need to be heard....great article kellz.....

cheers naomi x



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi Naomi,

Thanks so much for your feedback . .  Sadly there are so many of us that grew nder the 'seen and not heard' umbrella and it has effected us all in many ways but the most common thing by far is how we the next generation have mostly refused to do this to our own children.

I think the key here is to find the right balance, this is sometimes easier said than done but the fact that we keep trying just shows how great we are at being parents . .

Cheers Kellz



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Countrygirlatheart
September 2008 | Countrygirlatheart
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

I was brought up in the era of 'seen and not heard' still hard for me to speak up as an adult, my children speak up more than I do, I let my eldest have her say and opinion and she shit on me, she now 20



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi there,

Thanks for your feedback . . I am sorry to read that you are still having problems speaking up but I do also understand it. I myself came from an abusive home and it took me a long time to learn how to be heard. The biggest thing is to learn to trust in yourself and that is sometimes the hardest of all. . .

As for your daughter - I am sorry that you feel that she has shit on you . .  I myself have a very rebellious 17 yr old who has no hesitation in making herself heard and sometimes it is not in a good way . .  BUT on a positive note I am blessed as it really does show that she loves me as she has no hesitation in unloading on me. . . . I also know that when the chips are down she will come running to me . . .

I know you feel hurt but try and find the positives . . .

cheers Kellz



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monyq83
September 2008 | monyq83
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Kellz..... you are an angel. Thankyou very much for your advice, brilliant article, well done xox



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi Mony,

Thanks for your feedback but honey I am no angel . .  I am just me . . .   I hope that by reading what I have written that you are able to deal with whatever it is that you are trying to deal with . . You are a passionate mum and I am sure that you will do what you need to do for all your children.

Cheers Kellz



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Naya
September 2008 | Naya
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

I completely agree with you. I was brought up with that kind of attitude and it was very hurtful and humiliating. It made me feel as though I didn't matter and that I was not loved. It's no way to raise a child, especially if you want that child to learn to respect others' feelings.

Naya



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi Naya,

Thanks for your feedback and also for sharing your own personal story . .  I am so truly sorry that you were raised in that enviroment BUT on a positive note you seem to havetaken that on board and are not raising your children in that manner . .  I wish you well in the future with your own children and I hope that through them you will be able to spread your wings and grow . .

Cheers Kellz



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bubba76
September 2008 | bubba76
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Unreal....kids do need to be seen and heard. My mum rasie me and my siblings that way, my father was brought up to be seen and not heard and his family tried to do that with us until mum butted in.....my kids have the freedom to speak and be heard.

Thanks



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi there,

Thanks so much for your feddback . .  It seems that like your mother you are passing one the values that really count. Well done, I am sure that you have confident and muchly loved children that know how to empathise with others.

cheers Kellz



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cazza
September 2008 | cazza
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Excellent advice and absolutely agree.. Children do need to be seen and heard these  days.... 

so im all for it..,

xx cazza



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi Cazza,

Thanks for you feedback . . With us both coming from abusive homes we have learnt the hard way just how important children are . . .

Cheers Kellz



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iamschild
September 2008 | iamschild
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Great article- our Children's Advocate would totally agree with you!



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      Kellzacar
September 2008 | Kellzacar
Re: Seen and NOT heard - GRRR

Hi there,

Thanks for you feedback, as you have probably noticed I am very passionate about children . . .

Cheers Kellz



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