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tdg1973 | May 5th

dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

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Does anyone else out there have any experience with the above conditions?  My daughter, is extremly bright, but can't read at grade level or do simple maths.  She has got, however, amazing logic, she grasps complex formulas, but can't add 1+2 without using her fingers. Her short term memory and long term memory are in the top 2% of the population.  Her logic reasoning and comprehension are in the top 1% of the population, so why is she doing so poorly. I believe dyslexia can be helped with a speech therapist?? She wears tinted glasses.  They say remedial reading wont help her because of the auditory processing disorder - but nothing else has worked.  I can't really afford to pay $4000 for these new fangled unproven techniques like dores etc, but I am at my wits end.  Has anyone else had these problems?



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katierose
May 6th | katierose
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

Hi there,

Just a query. Has your daughter been diagnosed as dyslexic or does she have a central auditory processing disorder or both?? A central auditory processing problem needs to be diagnosed by a qualified audioligist. These tests are often free, especially if the school accesses student services.Also see Australian Hearing. Central auditory processing disorders can be overcome with the assistance of a good audioligist / therapist to retrain  auditory processing skills. I worked for quite a few years with students that had suffered intermittent hearing loss due to infection and other factors. Many of them developed CAP problems. I worked closely with audioligists, teachers and parents to develop specific programs to help these children relearn to process auditory information in a way that made sense to them. ( Unless their hearing problems were resolved it was an ongoing battle!!!) It can be done. If she has any of the above and it is recognised by the education department, you should be able to access student services and some funding for classroom support ( sorry haven't checked which state you are in!) Brain Gym can also help ( particulatly if there is visual involvement- ie: crossing the central line and engaging both sides of the brain. If she has special glasses, it could be a contributing factor - I have worked with a lady called Helen Summers who is an optemetrist who specialises in Brain Gym.I am in the Northern Territory, but I believe she does interstate work as well.) She often comes to schools and runs teacher and parent workshops. There are also books and programs that are not that expensive and doing the exercises are simple and fun! They also seem to work! Best of luck. Remember you have an amazing child who is extremely clever overcoming the difficulties she is experiencing to be so clever in many areas. With your support and making sure her needs are met in the school environment ( you DO NOT need to spend thousands...just keep insisting on support and researching what help IS available and insist fairly and firmly at the school that full assessments are made through Student Services AND that she is able to access the full complement of therapists that ARE available  through the school. ) Also, what works for one child may not work for another. Keep reasearching information and programs ( not those that promise miracles!) and specific activities that might help. Try them and see what happens over a few weeks. Note any changes...This is the best way to find out what works best for your child!!!



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      tdg1973
May 6th | tdg1973
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

Laura has been diagnosed as both dyslexic and auditory processing disorder, her Auditory figure ground noise test came out at the 16th percentile and competing words test 25th percentile.  So when there is complete and utter silence she is able to understand and hear properly. Her overall auditory processing score was in the 45 percentile.  The tests they give are so indepth and confusing.  I don't get it cos her phonological blending is in th 99th percentile her Auditory compreshension is in the 99th percentile (in keeping with the iq results), so she understands, but doesn't? 

I am wondering if I should go back to the beginning and have a HUGE  assesment done, but all the info is here, they are just trying to make laura fit their ways I think.  Thankyou so much for all the advice.  I shall start googling now. 

I know I sound like a stage mum, but next year, my daughters classes are streamed, and Laura is not stupid, she knows she not acheiving what she wants to acheive, she doesn't know how to get to where she wants to be.  So if she is in the bottom layer, she will be crushed and will most likely not engage.

So my dilemma is to have her understanding and performing at the level of her ability, so she is challenged and put in the top 2 tiers of the horrible streaming levels.



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MrsSanders
May 6th | MrsSanders
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

Hmm, please, please don't take offense but if I were you I would take a step back, take a deep breath, dont panic and rethink how you see Dyslexia.

Your Daughter is not doing poorly, she is coping with the tools she has at hand to aid her. Try to think what a fire fighter might do if his hose is broken and all he has is a thimble to work with. That's not doing poorly that's doing the best you can with what you have. Some would walk away in frustration, give up or get angry and some would use the thimble and hope !

Secondly what your Daughter struggles with is Arithmetic and not necessarily complex Maths, two different things entirely. Think what an amazing thing she has achieved by not giving up but using her fingers as a concrete medium to access and visualise a problem, 1+2 =3. Humans are amazing.

Now replace those fingers with another medium, like coloured wooden blocks, beads, sweets  and you have an alternative method of visualisation. Each number becomes a colour, the colour takes on a meaning. Red = 1 Blue = 2 + them and you get Green which always = 3. Green and Red together become thirtyone ! It is a case of finding the visual medium that works for your Daughter.

Use of magnetic numbers to feel the shape and visualise in 2D and 3D and thats another medium. Use Multi Sensory Medium to learn and the brain body dynamic will pick out the alternative mechanism that suits for its self.

Research all Multi Sensory approaches,learn the techniques and help your Daughter to access them. Schools tend to vear towards teaching a one method fits all approach in mainstream education and then promtly do so again with SEN Children. Badger the school to implement Multi Sensory Education for your Daughter.

Dyslexia is a word to describe a complex set of issues. Our  Daughter could not read, write or spell. I could not read, spell or do Arithmetic. With Multi sensory learning we both found coping strategies and methods of learning that really worked for us.

Spending money on dore programmes and such does work for some, but not all by any means. Many of the excersises can be done without spending thousands of £ or $ by investing in brain gym books or active 8 packs, costing a neat $10 or $20.

Spending Christmas and Birthday money on things like Word Shark and Number Shark for the computer will reap more long term benefits in confidence and fun. A white board to do blind  and whole body writing is a great tool. Wooden letters to play around with and feel the shapes of letters.

I could go on and on about the many methods that do work, but it does come down to researching, trying out and patience. Expectations must be altered because Dyslexics learn by alternative methods and not by the Norm. Give them the right tools and access to the their areas of interest and you will have a child who can think so far out side the box it is awesome.

An example of the positive outcome  of multi sensory education. Our daughter could not spell the word thumb.

After Multi Sensory Education she has worked out how to visualise the sequence to suit her. She firstly writes the h then the u, she looks thinks then goes back and adds the t at the begining then she will put in d, relook, rethink rub out the d and replace with b. What is written at the end of this complex process is the word thumb. Does it matter that the way she did it was awesomley complex, uhm no, she got the correct result at the end. This is called the make and break method of writing.

Will this alway's be the case yes, but as a Dyslexic she will be given extra time in any assessments and exams to make up for her complex strategy.

Now a few words of encouragment. I have an excentric and large group of Autistic Spectrum Friends. One being a Cambridge Don, teaching Maths and Chemistry, but for the life of him he could not tell you what 1+2 = . He would have to use his fingers !!!!!!!!!!

Another is a Research Geologist, who can't write a phone number down in the correct sequence without a computer. His fingers know where the numbers are, but his brain can't sequence them in the written form!!!!!!!!

A computer whizz who works and runs a complex network within government, but can't pass the civil service exam, even though he does the job. It is not the Dyslexic at fault it is the perception of society that all things must be done in a set way and there is no other.

To finish I recommend you try frantically to get hold of a copy of

Removing Dyslexia As A Barrier To Avchievement by Neil Mackay

ISBN 978 190384205-8.

It will give you a path and understanding on how to start helping your amazing Daughter on her wonderful journey and how her alternative way of learning can be uncovered.

Many,may best wishes. Luv Winnie.xx

 



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      tdg1973
May 6th | tdg1973
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

Oh my gosh, thankyou so much for the wonderful advise.  You are in UK aren't you?  They allow more time for dyslexics over there with exams, but not Aust.  My daughter has already had to sit NAPLAN tests and was not allowed to use anything that helps her like computer or pink paper!  We have a way to go.  I'm seeing the principal of the school tommorrow (again)

Again, many thanks



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           MrsSanders
May 6th | MrsSanders
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

O.K LOL. I have just Googled Naplan,LOL. They are similar to our Sats. Our children would not be allowed aids either for these tests, because they are also used as assessments for the Teachers. Now turn that around to a positive for you. These assesments also give you a hint as to what strengths your child has and what area's she will need help in. Use the information as part of your proof with the school and education departments that your child needs specific educational needs teaching.

Now as for Tests and Exams for Knowledge of Subject, the one's they all sit to gain Educational qualifications. Well children with special educational needs are allowed the world over to access the correct tools to impart that knowledge. I will not get into a lecture on the Charter of Human Rights, but Aus has signed it.

So they must, to protect the Human Rights of your child, allow her to access the special educational medium that allows her a full access to the Education on offer within the state without discrimination. In plain speak they can't not give her pink paper or a computer or extra time without taking her rights away. So the trick to working the system is alway's research, stay up to date with SEN practices and be one step ahead of the educators also find out about Human rights in Education.

It is amazing how little educators know of a childrens rights,LOL.

Many best wishes. Luv Winnie.xxxx



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                tdg1973
May 6th | tdg1973
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

Gee thanks for the great advice.  I am really feeling bucked up by it!  My husband and I shell out over $30K after tax to send our kids to a private school.  I will bring all of these things up with the school.  I beleieve it is human nature to want to learn and that the teachers are just not helping Laura learn the way she needs to - it's just when the professionals start talking I think "well they must know what they are talking about" But I know my kid better, I guess, don't I?!

Thanks again



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admonsta
May 5th | admonsta
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

My husband was diagnosed with dyslexia in his last year of high school.  Nothing was done to help him, and he has done very well despite his difficulty.

I looked into Dore, and the company collapsed before we decided to give it a go.  There is another company that is similar, and apparently they were the inspiration behind Dore.  They don't give you a tailored program, but you can buy a generic program from them for about $500.  I did buy it, and don't know if it works, because my husband has never tried it.  Maaaan, he annoys me sometimes.

http://www.learningbreakthrough.com/index.php/ORDER-PRICING/vmchk (We bought this one, but there's a cheaper one for sale at the website below that looks identical)

http://www.balametrics.com/products/homekits.htm (this is an American company, so all costs are in $US).



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      ClayCook
May 5th | ClayCook
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

 member tdg1973 - accidentally reported the comment above.

she was trying to reply.

below is the content she was trying to reply with...

"Thanks for that, can your husband read at all? How is his maths? Sorry are those questions too personal?"



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           admonsta
May 5th | admonsta
Re: dyslexia auditory processing disorder, autonomotisity problems! (automatic recall)

Hi tdg,

He can read, but with effort, and usually he forgets much of what he reads.  I think the effort involved in reading takes away from the comprehension.  If I read it to him, he understands much better - that's how he got through uni (I met him there).  The thing is that he remembers what he learns far better than I can.  He still remembers the stuff we learned at school, and I've well and truly forgotten it.  He spells really badly, and often rings me from work to ask how to spell something.

Maths, he's always been good at, and he doesn't seem to mix numbers around.  He is very disorganised, and has no sense of time, which I understand are symptoms as well, but is incredibly aware of his surroundings.  He can solve physical problems very quickly (he works selling tankers, and can often figure out design solutions that are very clever).

When he was in primary school, he was very naughty, because he was behind the rest of the class.  He ended up repeating grade 2 (I think).  He was sent to a school for difficult children in early high school, which he thinks helped him a lot, although he is very embarrassed about it.  He thinks he is dumb, but I know he is very intelligent.  I wish he had been given some help when he was younger, but he has done very well considering.

I should add that they think his problems surfaced because he couldn't hear properly when he was young.  He had fluid in his ears until he was in about grade 2.



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