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sunshine6101
sunshine6101 | July 2006

Help my kids are out of control

I have two kids my oldest is 5 girl and my son is 3. I getting to the point where I'm getting head achs as soon as I see them. They don't lision to me they ask crazy everywhere stores home and friends and familys homes. when I try time out they scream cry get up and run around when I goto put them back they repeat it. My son even goes crazy and trys to attack me and I have to hold him to stop of walk away. I even tryed spacking and they cry for a min and do it again. they even beat each other up my daughter just gave my son a bleedy nose two days ago. I'm going out of my mine please anyone help me.

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funkymum
September 21st | funkymum
Re: Help my kids are out of control

my 3 year old son was driving me crazy & a older friend of mine said put him in his room and shut the door i was like oh no way he goes off, she said well instead of going in everytime and giving him the atention he wanted she said stay out turn the music up & i did this everytime he went off she said turn it up louder and i did this for over an hour & ended up going to sleep he now knows if i put him in his room on time out don't keep going cause Mummy turns the music up and wont come in anyway..it worked for me. good luck



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tamg
April 6th | tamg
Re: Help my kids are out of control

i have just read this book and it has helped me in places, i wa slike you yelling and getting headaches. The book is How to behave So your children will too. By Dr Sal Severe



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mewannaboy
August 2006 | mewannaboy
help! I think you need a wine.
I have four kids and my children do not know the meaning of be quiet, slow down or go to bed.I have headaches from yelling at them from the time they get home till they finally get to sleep at perhaps 11pm. with all this i have to laugh i have to i really do if i dont ill kill myself some days. im hoping that they will see the error of there ways eventually. ha .the only thing that seems to work is embarrassing them in front of friends or teachers. if they dont clean up i let there friends in there filthy room they are soon cleaning it. we take the light bulb out if they keep turning the light on and they soon find it hard to tell teachers why there late for school "cause their mum made them clean up thre room" they woke up quick smart.im still trialing different forms of time out or stuff and so far the embarrassment factor works for me.


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TheMentorMom
July 2006 | TheMentorMom
Discipline Tips

Oh Sunshine, I feel for you!  Discipline is one of the most challenging parts of being a parent.  Just know that it is not too late...you can do this.  As a mentor mom, helping parents with discipline is one of my favorite things to do (no, I'm not a glutton for punishment).  Here are some suggestions:

1.  Start by writing up some family rules or your family code (if you have not already done so).  Include in it things such as your expectations for how to treat others, expectations about helping around the house, etc.  Use positive terms such as "treat each other with respect", "talk to each other using sweet voices", "keep our hands to ourselves" versus negative terms such as "no hitting" "no yelling" etc.   After coming up with the rules, start thinking about what consequences you plan to use for infractions (more on that in a minute).  Kids need to know what to expect.  Living in a home without clearly defined rules would be the equivalent of going to work at an office where the rules are constantly changing and employee expectations for conduct are not articulated.  That would be awful, wouldn't it?

2.  Have a family meeting to share the new family code.  Use "we" statements to encourage a sense of family identity, ie, "We Smiths treat each other with kindness."  Discuss the consequences for those who do not abide by the rules, ie, go to their room, loss of priviledges, etc.  Have family meetings regularly and keep them fun!  They are a great way to improve communication with your kids.  The book Our Family Meeting Book by Elaine Hightower and Betsy Riley is a great resource.

3.  Give your kids a verbal clue.  Find a statement that you can use everytime your children misbehave.  You want to train them so that when they hear these words they know they have screwed up.  The statement in our household is "Oh, how sad."  When my kids hear that, they freeze like deer in headlights.  They know when they hear that phrase that they have messed up.  Say it without anger (more on that in a minute) and use it EVERY TIME!

3.  Consequences.  Use natural and logical consequences.  For example, if they throw a toy across the room, the natural consequence would be that the toy is put up for the rest of the day.  If they are fighting over a toy, tell them they need to work it out or you will (by taking the toy from both).  For screaming, hitting, biting, remove them from the situation.  This is a natural consequence right?  When someone is treating us unkindly we remove ourselves from the situation, right?  

I suggest sending them to their rooms, but I don't see it as a time out.   Rather, I tell them to go to their room until they can come down and be sweet.  I don't care if they are up their 10 minutes or 10 seconds as long as they come down in a better mood.  This teaches them that they are in control of how long they are in their room giving them an opportunity to learn how to master their emotions.  Besides, it gets them away from me and isn't that what we really want when they are misbehaving? 

If they come out crying or yelling, tell them they aren't sweet yet and send them back.  Repeat as necessary.  They'll figure it out.  Here's the most important part:  Don't talk to them about why they were sent to their room in the first place!  When we do this, we are sending the message that they aren't smart enough to figure it out on their own.  Instead, say something like "Hey, there's my sweet kid!  How would you like to help me in the kitchen?"

4.  Never let them see you sweat (even if you are fuming on the inside!).  The learning from the consequence goes out the window when we react with anger.   Instead of thinking about the consequence for their poor choice, they think about how unfair or mean we are.  When we keep their cool, they have to focus on their poor choice. 

Knowing the ages of your kids, let me comment on sibling arguing:  Give them the opportunity to work things out themselves.  We often intervene way to early thus robbing them of the opportunity to learn negotiation skills.  If one comes out and tells you the other hit them, send them BOTH to their room.  Why both?  Unless you saw it, you really don't know who started it (which is usually the one who eventually comes to you to intervene).  Arguing?  Again, tell them to work it out or you will.  If they continue to argue (which they will), send them both to their rooms until they can come out and play together nicely.  If they know this is going to be the outcome every time, they can start modifying their behavior because they know what to expect. 

Sounds like a lot, huh?  Take baby steps!  Pick the behavior that is the most frustrating for you to deal with and start there.  Don't beat yourself up if you fall of f the bandwagon and revert to your old ways...we all do it!  There's no such thing as a perfect parent.  Just brush yourself off and try again.  The more you use these techniques, the more ingrained they will become in your daily life.  You will feel more in control as a parent and you will be amazed and how much more you will enjoy your kids! 

Sorry for the wordy post 'yall!  Hope it helps.



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      meggles
November 2006 | meggles
Discipline Tips

What a brilliant comment... I spoilt my son to compensate after he was diagnosed with post traumatic stress and then paid the consequences. I am using your tips as well as some others...... thank you

Meg



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      rachelcook
July 2006 | rachelcook
Discipline Tips
quick question, do you think their room would become an association for a bad place rather than a sancuary? I suppose I have been watching supernanny and she suggests that the room be a boring, hardly used room in the house. I guess when you don't have a room like this and the corner doesn't work, only their room suffices. The naughty corner works at the moment for my nearly two year old.


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           TheMentorMom
July 2006 | TheMentorMom
Discipline Tips

Good question Rachel.  Whether to send kids to their room or not (as with any discipline strategy) is entirely up to you as a parent.  Parents who have concerns about the room being seen as a negative place might not want to use this technique.  I can say that in both my personal and professional experience to date, I have not experienced this as a problem.  

I think this is why:  When the child is instructed to go to their room they are not being told to go there for "time out." In this technique, you are sending the message that "you aren't enjoyable to be around so go to your room and come down when you are."  As a parent, you are really not in a position where you are telling them they can't come out since they can come out when they choose to act responsibly.  Does that make sense?  You see, the room is not the punishment, not being able to be around the rest of the family is.  (This technique may not be useful with teens who don't WANT to be around the rest of the family!)

Thanks for the question and let me know if you have any others.  Thanks also for the tip about cutting and pasting...I'll do that right now.  Nice to meet you Rachel



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      rachelcook
July 2006 | rachelcook
Discipline Tips
fantastic - this is great for an article itself! so more parents can benefit too not just here on minti but on the entire web (via search engines). you can just select, cut and paste and click on write on the green bar above, if you feel comfortable doing so...


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mcm
July 2006 | mcm
Be consistent.
Just wanted to send you virtual hugs - its hard being a parent - the hardest job in the world. My eldest kids are 6 and 3 and they give me headaches too so I understand. I can only suggest being consistent and making sure you mean what you say, so they know you are the boss and you aren't playing games.


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lindterbean
3.54 (Good) | July 2006 | lindterbean
Help?
I don't know if this will help at all, but firstly, every mom I know with a child like what you are describing has survived, and even remembering from when I was a kid, the kids in school that behaved like that have not only survived, but they are now pretty healthy adults who don't have any more issues than the rest of us! Believe it or not! So aggravating as it is, don't worry too much, just try to make it through.

Another thing I have noticed is that a lot of this kind of behaviour in my friends' kids stems from a need for attention. Kids equate attention with love, so even when you are getting toward the end of your rope, they are receiving a positive reward for their behaviour. Make sure that when they are acting up (unless of course they are doing something dangerous) you don't immediately interrupt what you are doing to attend to them. Finish your sentence, your phone call, your dishes and then address their behaviour. This may take a couple of times before they catch on, but don't budge.

Also, set aside a little private time with each of your kids separately. You may need to make arrangements with a sig o or another caregiver, but give each child an hour or an afternoon each week they can count on to have your undivided attention and that they can look forward to. Maybe it's storytime or a trip to the library or park, or an afternoon with the phone off the hook. It doesn't really matter, as long as it is just for them.


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      sunshine6101
4.00 (Good) | July 2006 | sunshine6101
Help?
I been reading chicken soap for a single parents soul and some of the storys just made me cry and see that I don't have it that bad and to take everyday as it comes and goes think you


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KileeGiles
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | KileeGiles
Time Outs
I too think time outs work and consistancy is the key.  The difference is we use her room as a the time out room.  Reason being she wont stay in a corner and every other room is a little dangerous.  So when time out comes she is put in her room and whatever she was playing with at the time is taken away.  She will stand at the door intially yelling or crying and sometimes banging on the door but it doesn't take long for her to calm down.

Usually one time out works but sometimes we have to go to three in a row before she calms down.  When she is calm we open the door remind her why she is in time out and ask her to apologise.  Once she has we give her a big hug and tell her we love her and then move on.  The incident is forgotten pretty much instantly by her.

Remember it is also ok to have had enough, that's when you take a coffee out to the back yard or whereever leaving them in the house and taking a deep breath.  It is easier said than done but they will be playing off your stress and frustration.  The calmer you are the quicker they will respond.

Good luck you are doing a great job.


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      sunshine6101
July 2006 | sunshine6101
Time Outs
Think you very much for your help in my crazy world I see you have a beautiful daughter yourself I see now that I two am bless to have a daughter and a son and will continue to teach them to be fine adults and that fear is never a issue when God is on your side.


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MomKatie
4.63 (Excellent) | July 2006 | MomKatie
This, too, shall pass.
The best advice I can give for dealing with this is consistency.  Do the same thing over... and over... and over... and over.  Yes, you'll feel like you're beating your head against a brick wall.  Yes, you'll have headaches, and you'll be frustrated, and you'll feel like you're getting nowhere.  But the thing you have to keep in mind is that if you continue handling the behavior firmly and consistently, eventually it will dawn on them that, "Hey.  Mom isn't reacting to this." 

It sounds like you're working on the right track.  Time-outs really are a great tool, when properly used.  Put them in time out when they need it.  Then ignore them.  Yes, they'll get out.  Put them back.  Then resume ignoring them.  Time out is not the time to interact with them- they need a chance to calm down, and chances are, you do, too.  Once they have completed their time out (one minute per year of age), staying in the time out spot, not screaming, yelling, or acting out, tell them time out is over.  Make sure it's clear to them why they were in time out, and that you expect an apology.

Spanking really is totally ineffective.  It just shows them that they're getting to you, which is the last thing you need.  Keep your discipline free of emotion, and keep it brief.

1-2-3-Magic is a great book/system that you might want to check out, as well.  It really helped us a lot.  Good luck!


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      sunshine6101
July 2006 | sunshine6101
This, too, shall pass.
Think you for you help I'm going to start time outs again and when I tell then if they do it again and they do I will use the time out instead of just asking like forget it their not going to do what I say.


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samantha
3.75 (Good) | July 2006 | samantha
super nanny
have you ever whatched super nanny? she's got really good idea's, hire a video, dvd or whatever of her dealing with a similar situation and do what she does. before i even ever watched super nanny i was doing what she shows on her television programs, it all works really well.


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      sunshine6101
July 2006 | sunshine6101
super nanny
I watched super nanny last night and got some good Ideas I also printed out a application and going to tape my kids and maybe send it in if I find the guts to do It and maybe jo jo can help me too.


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           upinchina
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2006 | upinchina
super nanny

I watch supernanny to remind me that my girls aren't that bad at all.  It is funny because I also do those things that she suggests even before she has suggested them. I agree about the timeouts but I also started something w/my 3 1/2 yr old that has helped curb her tantrums and that is a rewards chart. I have things like -no throwing herself on the floor, or being nice to baby sister or friends, feeding the doggies and when she gets 20 stars usually after 4 days she gets what she has asked for, which is usually a toy, leotard, trip to the zoo.  I actually started this when she turned 3 and it has worked wonders with her behavior.  If we are in the store and she sees something she wants to earn stars for, I will take a picture of it (buy it when she is not w/me) and tape the picture  to the chart so she knows what she is working for. 



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                samantha
July 2006 | samantha
super nanny
i feel the same way about my kids when i watch the super nanny, i think my kids are angles, i really like your reward idea that is so cute, for my kids they have a jar each with pretty stickers,drawings and there name on it, and they get a little pocket money for there chores, and then when they have enough money for something they want i take them shopping


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                sunshine6101
July 2006 | sunshine6101
super nanny
Thats a real good idea about the chart and taking pic of the toy and putting it on the chart ty


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                     tracey
July 2006 | tracey
super nanny
She's really great. It's all about consistantcy and being firm. It seems on that show she helps the parents out and then the kids follow. It's amazing. That woman has worked miracles. She's  got a book out. Maybe you could pick up a copy. Did someone say that already?


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