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leannec
leannec | October 2006

Gay and Lesbian adoption

  Yesterday | leannec Gay and lesbians rights to adopt

Hi,

I am taking my honor's degree/ masters in social work. I am currently writing a objective report on the rights of same sex couples to adopt. this is a controverial topic and I understand if know one wants to voice opinions. But if anyone has any friends etc who have adopted and our same sex partners, or have any feelings with regards to the subject I'd love to hear them. I have myself not even decided if it is right or wrong (based on how the children may be treated by friends etc.)

My husband and I are are currently in the process of adopting, which is why I have chosen this topic. We heterosexual, however the purpose to my report is to see what others think of adoption in general or adoption by same sex couples. If I get any responses that is great, however I know this is a tough topic so I don't expect many or any responses, (other than perhaps people that are angry that I brought up this topic).

This is not the reason I joined this site. I joined because never having been a parent and being given the opportunity to have one is  blessing, and from what I can tell  it is a good resourse for parenting tips. So again if  you do not like the question please just do no answer it, I already know it is an issue some people would rather ignore, but I am hoping with some input I can put together a truly unbiased report.

Leanne

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encorepi
October 2006 | encorepi
Gay and Lesbian adoption

i don't believe that being gay is wrong, I don't believe that having sex with someone of the same gender is right but i define gay as having same sex tendencies and not just having sex with another person of the same sex.

This said, I do in no way pass judgement on another person for their sexual orrientation and would be friendly with a likeminded gay over a hetrosexual who I had nothing in common with, so I am not bias. 

I know that there are a lot of people out there having children who don't care about their children and many gay couples would make better parents than them, but i don't believe that a gay couple is the best case scenario and so I would prefer that gay's be banned from adoption.  Equally, I believe that unmarried and single people should be banned from adoption also, there are very few children available for adoption and I would like to see them go to into the best possible situatioins and I believe that a married hetrosexual couple is the best possible situation.

These are just my thoughts and just because you asked.  I wouldn't openly discuss this topic of my own volition due to the nature of my beliefs.

Jodi



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      leannec
October 2006 | leannec
Gay and Lesbian adoption

Hi,

Thank you for your honesty. You seem to be looking at a child stablity  and welfare as well. I have now researched this a lot for my essay and every point of view has merits. I guess that is why there are still issues. Who has the right to decide who is wrong and who is right. The factors that contribute to our belief system are all varied. Perhaps someday with enough studies, and education will all lead us to be closer to a middle ground.

Again thank you for revealing your own feelings.

Thank you,

Leanne

P.s. In my essay I will be using (not plagerising) all the view points I recieve so this  and every comment I recieve gives me a new view of the issue at hand.



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peachynowamum
October 2006 | peachynowamum
Gay and Lesbian adoption
I myself am still undecided as no offense but i was brought up that it is wrong to be gay however i am not so sure these days as i am pretty sure science has now shown that they realy truly cant help i also agree they could and would give as much love as ne other parent out there but you also got to think about what the kids at school are going to say are they going to get severely bullied for it and are they also going to be confused about they're sexuality. so umm... yeah good luck on your paper and good luck with the adoption


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mewannaboy
October 2006 | mewannaboy
Gay and Lesbian adoption
I believe it does not matter what your sexual preference,if you can be proven to be a loving and good quality person you have every right to adopt a child.There are plenty of two parent families that are really in a bad way ,there are lots of single parent families doing excellent jobs and im sure that gay or lesbian parents would do just a good a job at raising a child.Do you believe that catholic adults should have no right to adopt, do we exclude aboriginals from adopting , no because as long as they meet all the current criteria then they should be given the opportunity,well i believe the same for gay and lesbians too. 12 people i know who are gay,lesbian or bi-sexual so it is incredibly important topic for me.mel.....all the best for you.


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Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | Jessgore
Gay and Lesbian adoption

I think adopting should should be allowed to anyone with the mentality to do a good job.  I say this because all children need love and attention and if some one has it to give then no matter what your sexual prefrence (unless of course those that go against the law underage etc:) then why not let people adopt who have the means, the mentality and the ability to care and love for those that need it.

I stress mentality because I know a couple (same sex) that adopted (they are not actually a couple just been living together for as long as I remember), and one of them treats the kids very well, and the other treats one like dirt, he is being mentally abused that I have seen. And I am told that he is physically abused as well. But I have no evidence to back that up, although I would not put it past this woman...  It's a very sad situation for the little boy. And the little girl is a princess, although when she was 8, she bit me, and nothing was done about it. Also she came out wearing a holter top and tight leggings and told me she looked sexy... At the age of 8, and she says she looks sexy.. I mean really what is this...

Anyway with that being said, as long as the children are being cared for and loved apropriatly then why not let those that are able give that love... Sex should not be an issue..... 



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Scott
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | Scott
Gay and Lesbian adoption
My heterosexual parents were disfunctional, self-centered, addicted people who had no business having children, let alone, raising them (even though they had the means and the legal rights to do so).

I am a gay man in a committed, healthy and loving relationship with my partner of 13 years. My sexual orientation does not grant me rights, nor should it deny me rights. My sexual orientation does not define or limit my ability to provide a healthy, loving, nurturing environment to a child. We adopted our 7-year-old son 1 year ago. While our family may not be considered "traditional", I assure you, we are a FAMILY. Everyday, we count our blessings that we found each other.

We all face challenges. We hope that living our life as an example and not a "label" will help others see that we are more alike than different.

Leanne, feel free to contact me if I can be of any help with your report.


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      leannec
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | leannec
Gay and Lesbian adoption

Hi,

Your son is so cute. I think he deserves a big brother. What is your son's name? I just watched a show on adoption and the parents were gay. They gave the two children  both adorable (fraternal twins) a life they could never have had.

The entire essay is about gay and lesbian's and the social and policy issues that have to be dealt with. I'm starting it with the history of sexual preferences from early Rome on, and then I am going into the issues that have had to be contended with now. The controversy over same sex marriage. Here in Canada it is legal. How long will the rest of the countries who have not followed suit take to do it, and whether race, religion or the countries level of development plays a part in it. Then I am going into the adoption issue. I am attempting to prove that  someones view point has a direct correlation to religion, the community they were brought up in and / or the family they were brought up in.

My last section will be the debate between biology and environment. From what I have researched and studied when I obained my psychology degree I believe it is biology. What I am looking into is if the biological predisposition  is there does the environment  act as a trigger.

If you have any information I can use or maybe your own  personal view points that I could use in my essay (of course I would obviously not give out your name or any personal information that would be great. I totally understand if you don't want me to use any comments you may have but it will give me another angle than what I can see in a book.

My father was born to an alcoholic mother and father. His mother did not abuse him however neglected him to the point that he had rickets as well as other problems, was taken away from them and spent over a year in the hospital, and then spent the rest of his life with another couple who although did not abuse him physically did so emotionally. My point is that what matters most is the parents ability to parent in a loving nurishing environment.

When I started this project I wasn't entirely sure what my opinion was. I just had not thought about it. I have gay friends but adoption was never brought up so I didn't have an opinion one way or another. Its amazing how a little education (or environment) can affect how you feel about any topic

Thanks,

Leanne



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      allyp
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | allyp
Gay and Lesbian adoption

I don't think anyone else could have said it better.

I have no problem with gay/lesbian people adopting childern. I think its great that they do it. I have people in my family that are gay/lesbian! I am perfectly ok with it. I myself.. (even though i'm married) like women.. My husband knows and is ok with it! ***Now I hope whoever talks to me on this, still does after finding this out***

As being said.. I love your answer, it was great!



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           mommyofWHA
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | mommyofWHA
Gay and Lesbian adoption
Hey Ally, good for you for admiting that even though you are married that you also like women, I am glad that I am not alone, although my good friends do not know this, as I have been to afraid to tell them (oops Hi Kelley if you are reading this lol ). I have quite a few friends that are in loving gay/lesbian relationships, who have either adopted children or have had artificial insemination (hope I spelt that right) and their children are very lovable, well mannered normal children who love their parents!


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           mewannaboy
October 2006 | mewannaboy
Gay and Lesbian adoption
Thats fine with me allyp.......same with my sister and my mother !!!


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                allyp
October 2006 | allyp
Gay and Lesbian adoption
thats good to hear.. thank you


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           Jessgore
October 2006 | Jessgore
Gay and Lesbian adoption

So is Angelina Jolie...



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Tammy13
3.67 (Good) | October 2006 | Tammy13
Gay and Lesbian adoption

First - all the best with your adopting and I hope you will have your child as soon as possible!

I have no problem of gay/lesbian adoption - lots of  heterosexual parents are not good parents, and that's not because of who they are with in bed. Also there are alot of single parents out there, and some that for a long time won't have a partner again or have chosen not to have one - so the child is being raised by one sex parent - and there's nothing wrong with it. There are single parents who have a best friend from the same sex, that they don't have sex with, but they see each other lots, so the child is almost being raised by two of the same kind. and if a woman friend will come to visit me and my husband is not at home for what ever the reason - I see no reason not to share my big bed with her, even if i'm not having sex with her. and my son will know that she sleeps in my bed.

as long as sex is done in private - what does it matter who the parent sleeps with? the parent can sleep with the oposite sex or the same sex or both. that's not what makes the parent a good or a bad one.

I know that when the time will come, my sex education to my son (now 4+) will be open minded, and I will also teach him about gay/lesbian relationship.

It's not just raising children and adoption - it's everything in life. i really don't care with which sex you/he/she is sleeping with. I just care about being human, honest, good, clever, funny (do I need to continue the list?)

All the best with your report and most of all - all the best with your parenting to be!



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cheleinkal
3.50 (Good) | October 2006 | cheleinkal
Gay and Lesbian adoption
I reckon that as long as they are a "down to earth couple" not your "out there" types (like Jack on Will & Grace for example) it would be fine.  If they themselves are your regular Joe or Jane Blogs next door, and they are moral and sensible people they will probably raise a very open and honest young person with a great self esteme as they themselves would have to have a tough hide I imagine and have a personal great sense of worth.  Not that your "out there" types don't (get myself in trouble here" but I think that it is perhaps, those types like any "out there" person gay or straight that may prove to be to much of an embarrasment to a tween or teen and those years are bad enough with a perfectly great and "NORMAL" mother that is asked to drop them off around the corner to avoid embarrasment. 

I think that being raised by 2 loving caring people of the same sex would have to be better than being raised by one over worked and struggling parent, males or females.

I will say this about adoptions though.  I think that they should be for those who cannot conceive naturally on their own gay or straight.  There is in most developed countries a long waiting list as I understand it these days for children, and it is also difficult to get children from under devloped or 3rd world countries, where you end up almost buying a child through bribes etc.  I think the system needs to be looked at.  Hollywood stars who adopt children like they buy hand bags annoy me.  Do they not want to ruin their figures by bearing their own children, or what??  Sure they can afford to give a child a great and financially privelidged life, but they also tend to have to have a lot of help raising them because they work a lot, even if they say they do it all themselves.  They get these kids because of their big pay packets and the Govt officials they can bribe to get it done quickly whilst average joes desperate to share love and teach life lessons and moral values, PARENT, get let down time and again, through systems that are flawed in every country.  I only know what I have read and veiwed on shows such as "adoption" on the hallmark channel on Foxtel (Aust pay T.V.), but it seems to me it is a system that needs a world wide overhaul.


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      Jessgore
October 2006 | Jessgore
Gay and Lesbian adoption
did you know that Jack on Will and Grace is a father on the series....


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           cheleinkal
October 2006 | cheleinkal
Gay and Lesbian adoption
Yes, but only because Elliot's lesbian mother worked in a sperm bank that Jack made regular deposits in when he was in school.

He's not a very good father, being fun isn't everything. And he locked him in a room with his alcoholic best friend who taught him how to make prank phone calls, but only after insulting him......................I'm a fan, but wouldn't want him raising me. hehe


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                Jessgore
October 2006 | Jessgore
Gay and Lesbian adoption
I must have missed that one.. LOL


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KileeGiles
4.60 (Excellent) | October 2006 | KileeGiles
Gay and Lesbian adoption

Hi there,

I think the more happy people who can adopt the better - there is so much hate in the world that if there were more people wanting to support and nurture children then maybe we could stamp it out.  Times have changed and reactions to same sex marriage or adoption by gay couples is not as taboo as it once was and I firmly believe that this will become less so as time goes on.

 



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rogerslili
4.20 (Good) | October 2006 | rogerslili
Gay and Lesbian adoption
"To Each Their Own" is an ethic I live by, in All things. I refuse to choose for anyone but myself and my family, as that is the only group I believe I have a Right to choose for. If same-sex couples are loving, caring, responsible, secure, and safe, as parents, why should they Not be allowed to rear a child? There are millions of children, all over the world, who are orphaned or unwanted, or abused. The more couples, same-sex or not, that we allow to adopt children, the less starving, alone, and dying children there will be. End Rant.


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Izzy
4.00 (Good) | October 2006 | Izzy
Gay and Lesbian adoption

I am against gay and lesbian marriage, but that said, I am for anyone who wants to adopt. I think adopting a child who needs a home and someone to care about them is a great thing. There are so many unwanted children in the world who wanders the earth not knowing what it feels like to have someone love them for who they are and not know what it feels like to have the security of always having someone there when they need someone.... these kids need someone. And if there is anyone out there, be they lesbian, gay, heterosexual willing enough to provide this to a child, I think it's very nobel and admirable.

As far as being bullied in school because they are from a homosexual household, well, kids get bullied for lesser things (not being in the "in" crowd, not wearing the "right" clothes, not looking "normal").



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Tink1976
2.20 (Poor) | October 2006 | Tink1976
Gay and Lesbian adoption

My opinion on this may offend some people and it is not my intention to offend it is just my opinion.

After 10 years of trying to fall pregnant adoption came up a few times and it is something that is close to mine and my hubbys heart as both himself and his sister are adopted.

BUT I am against adoption by same sex or gay couples at the end of the day I feel that they have choosen to live a life where normal reproduction can't happen therefore they have given up their right to have children.

I also feel it could have a huge effect on the child when it comes to school, other children can be so cruel, we all thought about the bullying a child may face when we choose their name so why do we not consider this when it comes to home environment.

There said it, again I will apologise if I have upset anybody but I will not apologise for my own opinion.



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      Primal-Fire
November 2006 | Primal-Fire
Gay and Lesbian adoption
No-one can be offended by someone so ill-informed.


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      mewannaboy
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | mewannaboy
Gay and Lesbian adoption
just because they chose....well thats wrong already but raising a child is about love and love given wether it be dad and dad,mum and dad or mum and mum.my opinion of course.


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angelmum
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | angelmum
Gay and Lesbian adoption
I really don't understand the debate about gay couples adopting, the amount of unfit hetro couples there are where kids grow up in violent homes, alchoholic parents, drug addicted parents and so on,  that doesn't mean to say that all gay couples are perfect for parenting, the amount of children there are waiting for someone to adopt and love them I don't see why it should matter, if a gay couple or hetro couple are good people with love and security to give a child then thats what should be important.    So no I have no problem with any human being with love to give adopting a child no matter what their sexuality.  Good luck with your report


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      leannec
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | leannec
Gay and Lesbian adoption

Hi,

This e-mail is not intended for anyone in particular. I'm still doing my research. My essay must be submitted Wednesday.and then I won't bother you any more until my next article on child abuse. (kidding, I hope....That just has one point of view or so I hope.

I am wondering If a lexbian couple actually went to a sperm bank and went through the normal pregnancy process if that would change anyones mind? Just a thought that suddenly came to me while watching a tv show. I guess the same question could be asked about a male couple using a surogate. I am not judging anyones thoughts. I sort of in between, and this essay keeps bringing up points.

If anyone would like a copy once it as been graded I would certainly be happy to provide it. I is all of you that have given me the insight I need to finish it in an unbiased way. (Neither pro or against). I have put any personal opintions aside for this in order to make it clearly objective. Just let me know if you would like a copy. I don't expect it will be marked until mid mid or late November.

Thanks,

Leanne



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           leannec
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2006 | leannec
Gay and Lesbian adoption

Hi Everyone,

I want to thank each and every one of you for sharing your viewpoints with me. My assignment has now been sent in. If anyone would like a copy (not that anyone would want to read a boring socai work essay). let me  know. I am not posting it but if anyone would like a copy sent to themselves I can certainly provide it.

Leanne



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