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LukesMommy | November 2006

Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

I am the proud Mommy of a beautiful 8 month old baby boy named Lucas. We are new to the Minti site and need some advice/suggestions...

#1)  I have been trying to get him to take a bottle for the last 2 months and have tried different formulas, yet he will not take the bottle, and only breast feeding him will get him to sleep.   WHAT ELSE CAN I DO TO GET HIM TO TRANSITION TO THE BOTTLE AND GIVE UP THE BREAST?"

#2)  Lucas will only take a 10-15 mintue nap approx. 3-4 times a day, no longer. He still will not sleep through the night. He is up approx. every 2-3 hours NIGHTLY! He is clearly overly tired, yet he will not increase his amount of sleep time.  He is on baby foods and I know he full enough. HELP US TO GET TO SLEEP PLEASE!  I am more than sleep deprived!

Thanks for any and all suggestions!!

Amber and Lucas

 



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kiki2
November 2006 | kiki2
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?
I can't help with sleeping through the night, I had a good baby who gave me at least 6 hours per night from 4 weeks old.  But as for getting baby off the breast, try different shaped teats and also tickle him under the chin with the teat in his mouth.  This stimulates the desire to suck.  Of course he may just not like the taste of formula.  You could try expressed breast milk.  A baby will not starve itself if offered some kind of nourishment, offer the bottle and if he doesn't take it, just offer another 3-4 hours later.  He'll soon get the message that this is all he will be offered and will drink it.


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momto3rs
November 2006 | momto3rs
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

1.  Are you sure you want to wean him from the breast?  I know it might seem easier at first glance because it might decrease his dependence on you, but in the long run it just adds more work.  Why add in bottles to clean and formula to mix (and buy!) if you don't have to.  Since you are his primary care-giver as a stay at home mom then you will be the one giving him all of those bottles and washing them.  If you just stick it out with breastfeeding a few more months then you can by-pass bottles all-together. 

In addition to the bottle issue, weaning a baby from breastmilk in the winter months may mean an increase in illnesses.  Who wants to deal with that?

2.  As for the sleep issue, I have found that with all 3 of my children that "sleep begets sleep", meaning the more sleep they get, the easier it is to get them to sleep and sleep well.  Babies who are overly tired do not sleep well.  I would suggest putting him to sleep earlier in the evening (7-8pm is normal).  Watch for sleepy signs (rubbing eyes, fussing, losing interest in whatever you were doing, looking away when you try to talk to him, etc.) and put him in bed at the first sign of sleepiness.  If he usually nurses to sleep, try nursing him until he is drowsy and then lay him down.  Do the same for naps.  Also, if you know he tends to wake up 10-15 minutes after you put him down, then be there to pat him back to sleep.  Sometimes babies wake up while they are still in the light sleep phase and then can't get back to sleep.  If you are there as soon as he starts to stir and can gently pat or rub him until he goes into deeper sleep you may be able to help him learn to sleep longer. 



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momto3rs
November 2006 | momto3rs
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

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monyq83
3.60 (Good) | November 2006 | monyq83
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

You poor thing, you must be one hell of a stressed out mum at the moment!

Have you tried using a breast pump and giving him his bottle that way? Would probably end up cheaper for you in the long run than buying formula all the time.

As far as sleeping goes, I know its very hard to do and you feel awful in doing it at first, but have you tried controlled crying? Ive doneit with all my boys and swear by it. If you want any info on it let me know.

Good luck!



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Izzy
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Izzy
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

My son was the same way. He could be very very exhausted and never just lies down to sleep. It's as if the idea of lying down and sleeping when he's tired is a concept that he was never blessed with. My son is 20 months now and still the same way. But it's a lot easier now though.

Have you read Dr. Sears website about High-need babies? If you are interested, here's the link. http://www.askdrsears.com/html/5/t050400.asp  It will let you know if your child is indeed a High-need baby.  My son didn't sleep through the night until he was about 12 months old and even then, he actually does wake up ones or twice though but only for a moment.

As far as weaning your child you have to do it slowly. You have to replace one breasfeeding with formula feeding. Typically, you do this with a feeding in the middle of the day. The hardest to wean from is the middle of the night feeding so you'll have to do that last. Also, I agree with the others in that the nipple may be the problem and not the formula. 

Good luck to you!



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proud-mommy
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | proud-mommy
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

Some people in my post natal class have put this to the test... The girl said that the mother was unable to feed the baby a bottle, because she is the one who feeds him breast milk.. So they got the father, a friend, and the grandmother to feed the baby the bottle, and it worked... The baby ate from a bottle.. So maybe you should get your partner, or somebody else to feed your baby a bottle for a couple of days or so and see if that works..

As for the night time sleeping, im sorry i dont know what to tell you because my little guys sleeps through the night.



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      Kristen
4.00 (Good) | November 2006 | Kristen
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?
having someone else give the bottle is a great idea and worked for us as well.  Ethan knew he had a better option from me (breastfeeding) but he didn't know any better from Dad.  Good luck.


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cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | cheleinkal
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?
I have just published a full article with an example day plan if you are interested in having a look

Sleeping, Routine and Day Sleep Advice for Bub's 6 months up.


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Cathbuzz
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Cathbuzz
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

My oldest was really stubborn about the bottle too. It can help if you're not the one presenting the bottle. If there's someone you can leave him with where the bottle is the only option, he may take the bottle. Babies often resist taking the bottle from mommy--they aren't stupid! hahaha

My 10 month old takes 30-minute naps, so I know what you're talking about. She seems happy, so I'm not going to worry about it. Maybe once you get nighttimes straightened out, the naps will fall into place. I wonder how he would nap if someone else put him down? My baby seems to sleep better for the sitter than she does for me!

How long has he been up 2-3 hours a night? If this is relatively new, he may by teething or perhaps is about to hit a developmental milestone. If it's not new, then you may just have  a habit on your hands. He's become accustomed to it and will need readjustment! Those are never easy, but if you're firm and consistent, you can get him into a different routine. He'll eventually accept it as normal. With a kid his age, I would be really gentle about it and comforting, but I don't have the stomach for the crying it out method.



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Prinea
November 2006 | Prinea
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?
I'm sorry I can't help with the first problem but for the sleeping issue you could try keeping him awake through his first 2 naps of the day. This will be rough at first, no doubt about it, but once he gets into the swing of the new routine he'll likely settle right in. It sounds like everytime he's the least bit sleepy he goes ahead and takes a cat nap, problem is when this happens he rarely gets quality sleep making him overtired. When he starts to want to go to sleep the first couple of times during the day try to stimulate him with toys, games, peek-a-boo, go for a walk outside, talk with him, show him a new book, etc. Keep this up until it's time for his usual third nap of the day - or as long as you can hold him off - and then let him go to sleep. He'll may not sleep longer the first time, simply out of habit, but slowly and surely his sleep times will adjust with his new awake times and he'll fall into a managable schedule. If he falls asleep before a reasonable nap time while nursing you can always break his latch mid-nurse to wake him back up, keep this up until he stays awake through the meal. Good Luck!


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Jessgore
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | Jessgore
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?

Hello and I know the feeling....

For the first problem changing from breast to bottle.. You say you have tried different formulas have you tried different nibs?  I had tried many different nibs until my son found the one he liked...  Also my son had to go cold turkey as he bit my nipple and it bleed so from that moment on he no longer had the breast, the first few times were hard, but I stuck with it.. I was told my son would not starve himself so I kept this in mind.... If he did not take the bottle then I did not force him to take it and I did not offer the breast... By night he was ready to take the bottle... I still had to shop around for a better nib but when I found the one he liked it became much easier on the both of us...

As for the napping that one was harder....   My son was about 12 months when he started sleeping though the night. Sorry to say that, but each child is different so someone may be able to help you better with this.. It was not until my son went to day care that really got his naps working wonderfully....   Before we started I asked what time the nap was at, so at that time each day I put him in his crib I would let him cry and I would check on him. After half hour I would go in talk with him tell him it was time for sleep then if he was still awake after an hour I would take him out and keep him up for the rest of the day... It helpped him sleep through the night and eventually he realized that when mummy put him to bed at 1pm it was nap time...  It took me about 4 days to actually get him to fall asleep at 1pm, I had to be consistant, keeping him up all day did help with the night time too, (but you have to be ready for him to be cranky because he did not sleep if you choose to try it this way), once he got his day time routine his night time kind of fell into place...

 



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      mrscrumley
November 2006 | mrscrumley
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?
I want to give my voice to the changing nipples option... we had to do that as well. Fuller hated the Avent nipples (which are very popular among our friends) but loved the Nuk type.

Sorry I can't help with the sleeping issues. Once we started letting Fuller sleep on his tummy (don't throw things as me!) he slept like a champ and still does.


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      cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | November 2006 | cheleinkal
Sleeping Through the Night and Getting Baby off Breast?
I am 100% with jess.  Trying a host of different teats will probably be more effective than trying different fomula.  Just to test this theory put some correctly made up formula on a tea spoon and feed it to him.  If he takes it then you'll know it's the teat and not the formula that is the problem.

If you find he will take it spoon fed from you perhaps try him with a sipper cup.  You will have to hold him, of course but my thought behind this is that once he gets a taste for the formula he might be willing to try to get to it through any old teat.  You never know whats going to work with babies.

My daughters prefered teat is a tommee tippee self regulating teat.  It is nipple shaped but with nobbley bits on it and it has a cross cut top instead of a hole which means the flow varies depending on how much the babies squeeze the teat which in turn opens the cross cut.

You can get them in supermarkets in the baby aisle in Aust, I don't know about the U.S. but I'm pretty sure they are made in the U.S. so I'd imagine them to be readily available.

Another alternative is to express everything and flat out refuse to give him your boob and only offer him the bottle, mabe with the breast milk in it which he will be able to recognise by smell it might be more apealing.  Also make sure that you hold him in as close as possible to the same position that you have him in when breast feeding.

As for the sleeping I suggest that you do not pick him up at his first sign of wakefullness especially in the day time, leave him there for another 15 mins if he's had 15 mins already.  Go outside with a magazine and a coffee.  He's 8 months old, he's not going to go anywhere, but he will cry and that's hard to hear which is why going outside is your best bet.  Set your cooking timer if that helps and only see him and pick him up when he has been in bed for a full half an hour, even if it was only for 15 minutes sleep.  I believe that if you do this consistantly within 4-5 days he will increase his actual sleeping time to half and hour, when you have succeeded in this give him a week and then increase it by the same method for another 15 minutes, because min. he requires 2 45 minute sleeps in the day.

With any luck changing his day time sleep patterns may slightly alter his night time sleep patterns.  However.  You will no doubt be in for a few hard nights and it is best to have some back up during the night time sleep changes.

Try and have it so your partner is on days off and you can work in shifts.  failing that perhaps you can ask your Mum, sister or a friend to help you out and you are looking at at least 4-5 nights of control crying and re-settling.

The only real solution is to control cry with soothing in between for reasurance, but try not to go to him straight away, and try not to make eye contact with him when you are stroking or patting him.  Don't take him out of his cot.  It might take up to 7 days worse case and 3 nights is about the best case senario.  It will be very hard but keep telling yourself, it is one week out of his life time and things will be better after that.

As long as you are positive that he has had enough to eat he is well and truely old enough to skip a night time feed, though this habbit will be hard to break especially if he is used to being fed back off to the land of nod.  He is going to want it as that isn't a bad way to be sent off is it.  A nice cuddle, some patting or rocking the smell of the one you love the most and a nice warm drink of milk.  I'd yell if it was suddenly to be deniged me, but hey, you don't always get what you want.  And he will survive and thrive, and even more so if his Mummy is well rested.

You need to remind yourself when he is crying out for you with his heart wrenching sobs that you are doing this for the betterment of you both.

You are a SuperMum if you look after yourself first.

Best wishes to you, you'll be fine.


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