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  anonymous | January 2007

Hitting Back

Hi guys,
My  mum told me its time to teach the boys to hit back when other kids hit them first. I am acomfused about whether its the right thing to do.
My sister was picked on her whole school life cos she never hit back. however my sister and I always did and we had no problems. . .
It seems like it worked for us but I feel bad about it. What do you all think?

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MadMel
4.40 (Good) | January 2007 | MadMel
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Ok thanks guys.
No we haven't had this problem YET but I was just thinking about it as I want Jaidan to start Kinda this year and I dont want him to be picked on and miserable. I have seen how nasty kids can be even from a young age.
They were getting hit at the baby change room once and just stood there not knowing what to do as they had not been put in the situation before.
I think I will be teaching them to say stop, then walk away. If this doesn' work then to defend themselves.
Thanks for all your comments.


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cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
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Well My comment will probably be marked down and people will attack me on this one but guess what this is my experience and my opinion.....John my second eldests father told him to fight back and not take this from kids who bully him....Guess what he did and got himself suspended 3 times in 3 months..... I went to the school and I talked to them time and time again..... Still nothing happened on the lats time this happened I fronted to the school as I had before and told them I had had enough I also rang the police and spoke to them they told me that a school has a duty of care and it is their responsibility to make sure my child is safe......Well John after all this had become the Bully himself what can you expect so if someone pushed him etc..... then he would throw the first punch.....Why wouldn't he become the bully he had been the victim so long and an adult gave him permission to do this......I was a bully as a child I was always in the middle of it if someone said to me something I did not like then I would fix it and out of the school but guess what people the police dealt with me them......kids of today are not just punching each other and leaving it at that they are trying to strangle each and cause a huge amount of harm..... I do not condone it at all I encourage john to walk away and finally the school has done something about it all after a call to the education department.....yes you are encouraging your child to stand up for themselves etc..... but you be soo careful you are not making them the bully in this situation..... why not teach your child to have a smart come back or teach them to fight with words or something like that..... and to whoever made the comment I read about all bullys parents being bullies....That is so not always true....... I find that bullies come from all walks of life......and from my experience and meetings i have attended they are parents of kids that have taught their kids to hit back think about it.........


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      Tadexpress
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Tadexpress
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This is an issue that divides people, I for one applaude what you have said and will mark you accordingly because having been there and done that I know what you are saying to be quite true. Duty of care means we have to provide a safe environment for all students and at times it seems an almost impossible task an no I am not shirking my responsibility Im merely pointing out that there are some kids who simply need to be suspended for the safety of others, serious physical violence used to be a high school problem but it is filtering down into the primary school and yes kindergarten, imagine the kindergarten bully in 7 + years. Suspension is all we have short of exclusion (expulsion) and to exclude a student is extremely difficult almost impossible these days. Teachers go to work to teach, its the only job I know where they are expected to combine 30 or more often unwilling participants in one room and accept being sworn at, spat on, things like chairs being thrown at them as all part of their job. Yes this is worse case scenario but its becoming the norm and I have put myself between two fighting year 7 boys and I have been punched in the stomach and although I was told I shouldnt have done that I would do it again because I dont believe violence is the answer, I believe there are other ways to handle most situations sometimes its successful sometimes not just like in life, there are lots of ways to bully proof your kids so they dont become bullied or bullies themselves but that takes time to develop also. You can try reading All about Bullying ISBN 0340779012. If we show tolerance for bullies and their actions then we are sending a very frightening message which is why schools have a no tolerance policy but apart from suspension there isnt much left that school can do, detention doesnt work they dont care and often will just walk out as if you're invisible, kids today are very different and no I dont have the answer which is why I am watching this discussion with interest.


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      moody
3.00 (Average) | January 2007 | moody
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It's not that all bullys parents are bullys, in my experience with bullys, the ones that I have delt with their parents are, I'm sure that it's not the case all the time.

I also put up with it for 6 years now and in 6 years he threw one punch. Not bad considering how many times he ended up in emergency. He hasn't turned into a bully.



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           cookclan
4.20 (Good) | January 2007 | cookclan
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Mate do not take this as a personal attack hey it is definately not I am jsut trying to express how i feel on this whole issue.....When John was in primary was when the bullying started and when his dad told him to hit back.......I had him at the JAB juveniele aid bureau having photos taken of him because some child whom the school explained to me was having problems at home lashed out and kicked him in the face blackened both his eyes and broke his nose and busted his lip...... I have also had my other son at the hospital because someon broke the bone in his throat when they punched him shattered his hyoid bone in his neck.....I am not saying your son will turn into a bully either I am just saying that is what happened with John.... hitting back is a very personal thing and back then I might have agreed but as my kids get older and the bulling becomes nothing more that aggrivated assualt i think we have to be sooo careful like the boy at a party who fought back and found himself in a comma and later losing his life.....


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                moody
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | moody
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I didn't think it was a personal attack,  I just wanted to clarafy a few facts so people didn't think I encourage my children to beat up other kids. 

I Was also trying to say that everyones experiences and opinions are different and no one has the right or wrong answer. 

The Bullying situation is an unpleasent realality and gets every parents blood boiling.



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Stormalicious
January 2007 | Stormalicious
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I'm definitely an advocate for hitting back...

my sister was picked on all through primary school and the beginning of high school until one day my father had had enough of seeing her so upset and told her that if they started on her again to get them out of school (she was an A+ student and didn't want to get in trouble with teachers) and take down the leader.  So she went to the shops and there they were and started on her again and pushed her so she fought the ring leader and coped a beating...  the point is that even though she lost the fight, they realised they couldn't just walk all over her anymore - that she'd fight back - so they left her alone after that...  all over and done with.

i'm 21 so it wasn't that long ago that i was in school... and i can tell you that talking to teachers and parents and principles is pretty much a waste of time coz all that happens is the bullies get a talking to about the "no tolerance" policy and then come after the kid that dobbed em in and more often than not, wait until they see the kid after school and beat them to a pulp when they can't get repramanded for it....

a lot of the time, kids are worried about getting in trouble off their parents for fighting even when they dont' start it - so if they know that they have your support to defend themselves they'll be more confident and stand up for themselves.

unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world where matters can be settled by talking because the bullies are not intelligent enough to fight with words instead of fists...



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moody
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | moody
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My son,, now 9 has had trouble with bullies since kindy. Yes since kindy. He would come home from school with bruses around his neck, shirts ripped, blood noses, black eyes you name it he's had it. Any way the school arranged meeting for myself and the other childrens parents and I have to say they didnt care, my experience is that the bullys have bullys for parents that is where they learn it from,   any way after 4 years of this we got a personal trainer for our son and he taught him to box. The best money I ever spent, he also taught him disapline, self confidence and when to and not to use his boxing tools.

One day at school my son was so badly beaten He was rushed to hospital he had a broken nose, a black eye, a broken collar bone and a dislocated shoulder he was found unconsious on the school oval, this was all done by a group of 8 year old from his class and when the police asked why they did it they said "because his little sister is a spastic" My daughter suffers from epilepsy and is hearing impared she is 2.

When he recovered and he now knew why they were picking on him all the time  I told him If they hit you again You can only throw one punch use the skills you have learned but make sure it is only one punch.

Well he was back at school for 2 days and I recieved a phone call from the school and one of those boys had punched him in the stomach during sport so he did what I said One good punch while all the other kids were watching. Sure he got suspended for 2 days, as he should he hit someone but they all seen him hit the leader of the bully group . Now they tread very carefully.

So I would say yes, tell them to hit back(within reason) but only if they are hit first and if your going to get suspended from school make it a good one because it may only be the chance you get.  



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      bleshu
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | bleshu
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I agree, my son was bullied aswell.  I went through the schools system and it did NOTHING!  A differnt kid every day.  So we told my son to hit back.  He did and most of the kids stopped picking on him.  There was still the occassional shove and taunting but dave just shoved back and told them to shut up. 

He was so stressed out that he was a nervous wreck, so defensive.... He was even losing some hair and having nightmares.  We needed to empower our son.  He felt helpless because he would get into trouble if he hit back.  I told him not to worry about the teachers "mummy will take care of them!"  and he started to give it back a little. 

I'l never forget that first day when he snotted a kid who had been choking him, hitting him, shoving him etc....  he rushed home to tell me all about the look on the kids face when he did it!  My son is still not violent and will never hurt another child first but he does stick up for himself and it has made a world of difference.

We have a new school now and there has only been one incident on the bus with a highschool kid but our principal got on it straight away and the kid was kicked off the bus!  OUr children shouldnt have to be taught to hit but in a world where not every parent is perfect and some are just down right irresposible it is a neccessary evil for the survival of our own.



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Tadexpress
4.27 (Good) | January 2007 | Tadexpress
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My personal belief is that there is never an excuse for violence, having said that if you find your child in this situation let the school know, have a meeting with the principal and as many teachers as possible that come in contact with your child. Its not just the physical stuff you have to know and be concerned about. I have two sons who have had their fair share of scraps my advice was to take it off the school grounds, if it happens on the school grounds then the kids are generally suspended, the police can and do at times come to the school to warn the offending students and can charge them with assult. I think it is less likely to come to that if its away from the school, boys will fight then will often shake hands and walk away. If you are going to go down the path of stick up for yourself make sure that your child does not take that to be permission to carry a weapon such as a knife, if they do then they have intent to harm not self defence, unfortunately kids who are victims of bullying feel they have no alternative, this concerns me more and more when I see debate on this issue, if you want to meet with the other kids parent have the school organise and supervise the visit. If they are (and I sincerely hope that no school would) be reluctant to assist you with resolving the issue you can calmly state that if they refuse to assist you you will take out an Avo, this will most likely get some quick attention, they cause a huge problem in schools. Whatever you do you have to be prepared to follow through, remain calm at all times, take notes of who you spoke to and when, keep your notes factual and unemotional and always have a witness where possible.


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keri
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | keri
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I think that sometimes that if your child hits back they can tend to get themselves into trouble as well.  May be you could get them lessons in karate that why they will build their confidence and if they need to protect themselves they can.


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cookclan
4.60 (Excellent) | January 2007 | cookclan
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Hi there hmmmmm definately a hard one..... as it was said before schools have a no tolerence policy.....If you children are being hit by naother kid then they hit back they also will be suspended regarless of self defence issues etc..... John my Nephew who lives with me has had quite a few fights at school where he did not throw the first punch but did get shoved into them and they threw the first punch and he fought back....he was suspeneded and also there have been times where he threw the first punch.....same outcome..... John did a course called rock and water at school which showed him some great ways to get out of a fight and still save face.....Maybe that is a program you can look into with your kids......It showed him how to control his anger and not hit back but to get him out of it with self defence...... If this is happening at the school I would go to the school and tell them that this is happening and you want it dealt with check into the school rules or their policies and take them with you to have ready for any excuses the principle might come up with because I can not understand if a kid is hitting yours that they are not being dealt with by the school.......but if you chose to encourage them to fight back your choice but I am sure as in our schools most school have the no tolerance policy and suspension is inevitable.....Some people say it is not fair some people say it is but this is totally what you feel comfortable with....
Cheers
Angie


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traceyl
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | traceyl
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It is a very hard question to answer and there are no right or wrong answers.  My older children have learnt that if someone is hurting them and they can't get up and walk away, to fight back, however, the schools these days will not tolerate any sort of violence and will suspend kids who fight, no matter who started it.  My eldest son was being beaten by 4 other students.  He tried to get up and run, but they grabbed him and threw him on the ground kicking him, so he fought back and ended up suspended for a week because of it

My advice to you would be to teach your children to fight, but also to teach them to only use it when necessary, or they could face harsh consequences.

Tracey



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breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | breannababy
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I may offend some...........I am from the old school,I hit back I never started anything physical however if I was hit I hit back and I taught my kids the same......if they were the first to strike they were reprimanded,they knew name calling teasing did not qualify as a reason for hitting.I was bullied in early childhood and learnt the hard way to stand up for my self.I don't believe kids should hit for no reason or a small reason however they should not be another childs punching bag either and sometimes it is worse for them to tell on the hitter!!!!! parents and teachers are not there all the time to save the dobber and believe me they do get paid back ten fold. Sorry for any offence none is intended and it is only my opinion. regards Merle


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      emmysmum
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | emmysmum
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I have to agree with you merle. I believe that if someone hits out then they must be prepared for the same act in return! And whilst it can be wrong, children do need to learn to stand up for themselves, and who better to teach them then their parents?


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Britt
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Britt
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this subject is a hard one i think maybe tell your kids that if someone hurts them tell them to ask them to stop and walk away now if they don't and they keep going then i think they can defend themselves, why should they stand around and be hit after asking the kid to stop!!! if it is in self defence then i don't think that it is wrong. maybe as lana said try talking to the kids parents, however sometimes the parents can be blin sited in thinking that there kids would never do anything wrong.

when my brother was little (now 18) he used to have the same problem with this one little bully mum tried everything teachers (didn't do much), telling him to walk away (didn't stop him) talking to the parents they didm't believe their son was capable of tis sort of behaviour, in the end she gave up and said sam if he does it again clobber him in the stomach just enough to make an effect well he did and guess what the kid never came near him again.

it is a hard thing to decide on but if you have tried everything else theni say let them defend themselves!!!!! good luck i know it is a hard decision to try adn make as we always teach our children violence is not the best way to go, but in some cases self defence may be the way to go, good luck hope this has helped Brittxx

 



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Lana83
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Lana83
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Hi there

I personally dont think its right to teach kids to hit, but if it is in self defence then there isnt much  we can do, if your boys are having trouble with certain other kids I reckon that you try and have a metting with there parents to try and resolve it before it becomes to ugly and someone serioulsy gets hurt.  Best of luck with this and I hope it all turns out for you

Lana



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