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pvp | January 2007

Sleep issue again!

My son is almost 9 months old and unfortunately I was never strong enough to teach him to soothe himself to sleep. I have always rocked or fed him to sleep and now i am paying the price. That is , he is waking every hour or so at night!
I tried leaving him in his cot and just patting him while he howled last night and after 20mns i caved in. Today i tried again with his second day nap and he cried for 15mns but then fell asleep. What is worrying me is that he stands up and when i put him in his cot , he cries and tries to stand up but i keep taking him and laying him down which gets him going even more.Should i be doing this? He just rolls on his front and tries to stand up in his cot . I have read so much on this but would like some real life experiences from you ladies , and i know every child is different but they are all babies of the same species too.

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llmunchkin
January 2007 | llmunchkin
Sleep issue again!
Hi there, it is hard to leave the room when they are doing this.  We decided to get strict with Jaydee just prior to this age when he started behaving the same way.  We decided that we wanted him to be able to settle himself nicely so that he would be in good sleeping habits by the time he was a toddler and in a bed.  It only took a week of perserverence, and we never let him get too upset (you are his mum, you know what a yell for attention is compared to real distress).  It did mean going back and forth and resettling him, however now, we pop him down at the same time, no matter where we are & bang, within 5mins he is either settled to sleep or playing with his musical sleepy toy quietly (which we later remove of course).  It is heavenly, and he sleeps better - right through the night, because if he wakes, he settles again. 

My friend told me some pointers, as she had to go to Tresillian when her wee boy was 1year old.  I didn't want to end up in the same situation.  Of course, if he has had a particularly rough day (bangs and bumps), is feeling unwell, or is somewhere out of the ordinary visiting, I will still rock or nurse him to sleep.  It doesn't mean you have to lose that lovely snuggly feeling, it just means that your main habit is set and will help you both in the future.

If you are in Australia, contact Tresillian www.tresillian.net/
If they aren't in your area, they may be able to advise you of an similar organisation who are.


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      pvp
January 2007 | pvp
Sleep issue again!
thanks for all the advice, i have tried to stick to the settling and leaving the room. Last night was pretty bad though as my baby woke up at 10.30pm after having been put to bed at 7.30 and then woke every hour til' 6 am, needless to say i feel horrible right now and exhausted.
I know i need to stick to it though and i began wondering that maybe he isn't eating enough. I try to stick to three meals a day with a snack after his afternoon nap.
Is this enough?
I will try calling Tresillian, the equivalent in Victoria (in my area) is so booked out that even a call for advice is put on voicemail and they say they will call me in two weeks!


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Wendy44
1.00 (Very Poor) | January 2007 | Wendy44
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My I ask if you are breast feeding him? If you are, at 4.00pm every afternoon eat a peanut butter sandwich. I don't know how it works but it does. There is something in the peanut butter that makes babies sleep.

If he is having a day nap, he could be sleeping too long, which would cause him to stay awake at night.  Either cut back on his day naps or cut them out altogether and see what happens. Oh and babies love to be touched. When my daughter couldn't sleep I would gently massage her back and she would go back to sleep.

Just have a go and see what happens. Best of luck.



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narni
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | narni
Sleep issue again!
have had the same isues recently. sounds like wat uv started is working already its taken him 5 mins less the second time! maybe u should jus kepp going 4 another few days, u may c some more improvement. both myself and my friend have used similar things with our babies that is first of all set out a routine 4 day and night feeds and sleeps that u think could work  eg. 9mth old needs 2-3 sleeps a day, try starting it one morning by waking him up by 7am(so he hasnt had 2 much sleep 2 sleep later) put him down between 9-10 for 1 1/2- 2hrs next sleep is after lunch 4 1-11/2hrs (slightly less) make sure hes up by 3pm so he has plenty of time to play and tired for bed. start ur bath bottle bed routine and follow the same thing every day. the last 10 mins b4 bed should jus b quiet cuddles on the couch or something of the sort(no toys) come bed time(4 me its 7pm) take him quietlt and gently into his room cuddle him till hes resting his head(no interaction)wen hes relaxed put him into bed(i put her music box on wen we go to her room and thats her sleep signal) tuck him in and leave quietly and confidantly. dont hang around i found that she had a sixth sence wenever i did. then after however long u can handle if not asleep go back in lay back down and settle once calm leave etc. we both found it less traumatic for all involved to not pick them up as it makes it worse. or if u find u cant walk out maybe settle in cot then sit back out of sight silently(he'll no ur there) this worked for us until she started standing up trying to get to us which is wen i decided staying wasnt working anymore. 6 out of 7 nights both our kids go straight down now. wen u pick something u must give it long enough to click which i find is about 4 days. hope this helps a little


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Kellzacar
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Kellzacar
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Hi there,

Stop beating yourself up!!! There is nothing wrong with nursing your baby to sleep.

I've done it with my two eldest and am now doing it again and Sumara is nine months old.

They are only babies for so long and comforting them and making them feel safe is part of parenting and therefore nursing your son to sleep should not be an issue!

However - the fact that he is waking so much through the night is worrisome as this is not a habit that is usually formed from nursing your child to sleep. I would suggest a talk to your local GP or clinic sister as there maybe another reason for his waking.

I would be concerned about the fact that he may be feeling some uncomfort while asleep. Maybe you could try placing his cot on a slight angle so that he is not laying completely flat! Some babies really don't like being flat as it upsets their tummies. Also try playing some really soft gentle music while nursing him to sleep and have it playing in his room soflty while he is asleep. This may help.

Cheers



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      narni
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | narni
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this is true also! u do wat works and feels right. however nursing my little girl to sleep( as much as i enjoyit) does mean that she wants it everytime she wakes up through the night. we all have wake periods its just that as adults weve learnt how to go back into sleep again. perhaps if its looked at as us teaching them how to sleep peacefully. as opposed to ' making them sleep" out of desperation. not suggesting this is wat u do by the way! more power to u if u can get the best f both worlds.


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PHOENIX
3.00 (Average) | January 2007 | PHOENIX
Sleep issue again!
If you don't mind giving a read of another book ago I would strongly suggest the No Cry Sleep Solution for Babies. Especially designed for those 'not strong enough' . I am one of those people. I was coerced into trying Cotrolled Crying with my eldest and I really wish with all my heart that I never did.  It didn't really work and after a while I just developed a routine where I would not feed him back to sleep for one feed and then he was ok for this (ie sleeping through that missed feed) I would drop another. I wish I had of read this book but before all of this.


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breannababy
4.00 (Good) | January 2007 | breannababy
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With Breanna I would settle her in her cot humming stroking (anything monotonous)do this till she was nearly asleep,walk out the room and wait........I would not go in till she had been crying for 5min on the dot(unless she was ill or such)I would walk back in and repeat the procedure,not looking at her eyes or communicating except for the humming and stroking.......I did this for an hour and a half straight at first..........the technique I mean.It is hard to not cave in but I kept up for 10-14 days and I did win in the end and it was worth the effort and struggle. good luck hugs Merle


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ckelly
4.08 (Good) | January 2007 | ckelly
Sleep issue again!

I got into the habit of getting up and giving my 11mth old up to 3 bottles a night, which saw me up at 12pm, 2am and 4am. It took about a week of absolute torture to get over this.
In the end I just let him cry, (up to 20 minutes at a time) he would eventually cry himself to sleep - as the week wore on, he would wake fewer time and cry for shorter time.
I would defiantly suggest that you walk out of the room if it gets too much for you. Let you baby stand in the cot if he wants – if you are concerned he will fall out keep an eye on him from his door where he cant see you.. When he gets tired enough he will sit down or lie down and go to sleep. If it makes you feel better start small – try getting him to put himself to sleep only for daytime naps, if that works then you can move onto night time sleeps.
Whatever you try keep going for about a week before you decide if it doesn’t work.  I agree every baby is different – the one thing they do all have in common (apart from being the same species) is that they can all be more stubborn than most adults I know. Good Luck.



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Kasandra
4.08 (Good) | January 2007 | Kasandra
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HAve you tried leaving the room? ie. putting him down for his nap and then leaving the room so that he can settle himself?  This worked for our daughter.  They will still get upset, but if you can stay out of the room (unless they get distressed) they will learn that being put in their cot means that it is time to have a rest.

Goodluck!!!!!!  This worked with our daughter, hope it helps you



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