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fatherfigure | January 2007

^ year old crys all the time.

I am the father figure for my fiance's 6 year old daughter. Her and her daughter use to live at her parents house until she was 5 years old. My fiances' mom says you need to raise a kid by always giving them what they want. When they cry give them anything to get them to stop and kids at 6 years old are to young to help around the house or do things for themselves. Her and her daughter moved in with me and we have been giving her time outs, having her help around the house.(i.e help pick up toys, clothes, help fold clothes, etc.) She will cry when she doesn't want to brush her teeth, go to bed, practice for soccer and cheerleading. We tell her to stop crying and she crys even harder. We give her time outs or send her straight to bed and she crys and throws a temper tantrum. We have tried the comforting and holding concept, but it seems she crys even more when go that route so we have shyed away from it.  We also take toys away for a bit. When she is done crying we talk with her about her crying. She will tell us she doesn't know why she is crying or won't answer us and thinks that all she has to do is sit there and not answer us and she will get away with things. She is so use to this routine from the grandmas house and she has not been living there for over a year. When she visits grandmas, grandma lets her do what ever she wants and doesn't respect our wishes and says we are being to harsh on her by giving her time outs and all. I don't know if this is a emotional problem, or if she thinks she has been getting her way for 5 years why can't she get all the time. When she crys, she crys for hours on end. When I tell her her toys will be taken away, or time out nad go straight to bed, she crys even harder and doesn't understand that if she stopped crying she would only get a time out, or toys taken away, etc. I was wondering if anyone can give any advice. We have tried to take her to talk to someone, but the grandparents say that is abuse to a kid. No kid should go through that. Just turn cartoons on or a movie and she will stop. It is hard with the grandparents on the side. Please, Please give me advice. Remember I am afather figure to this child, she is not mine. She sees her father every 2 months or so and he gives her what ever she wants cause he thinks he still needs to show his love cause he doesn't see that often. I don't know if this is a issue with her or just with the rest of the family. or all. Thanks for any advice.

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Naya
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | Naya
^ year old crys all the time.
I can tell you that she cries all the time because she doesn't have a feeling of security. She's never had any structure or discipline in her life... and I can guarantee you that she probably cries more at grandma and grandpa's house because she doesn't want the things they are giving her... she wants them to support her and give her guidance. Unfortunately, she has no way of knowing this is what she wants, nor does she know how to ask for it.

The best thing you can do is have a conversation with her about her behavior and why it's wrong. Do this when she's in a good mood. Don't do it with a blaming tone either and involve her in the conversation. Ask her if she recognizes the behavior... if she can feel when she's about to get upset or have a tantrum. If she can then make up a signal word that she can use to tell you it's about to happen... and try to make a game of it. If she doesn't then talk about what happens right before... and ask her to start paying attention. For instance, does her mind go blank or her palms get sweaty. She might start to recognize the pattern pretty quickly.

Once she does start to recognize it and you make up a special word that she can use to alert you, make a chart and give her a star or special sticker for every time she uses the word. Then tell her that when she feels the behavior starting to happen and she uses the word, you can all talk about what is upsetting her and how it can be fixed.

Also explain to her that she won't be punished for throwing a tantrum or getting upset, but when she behaves that way you will not talk to her until she calms down and can talk to you in a calm way. Let her know that a problem can only be fixed when everyone can talk about it calmly. When she does get upset, don't just walk away. Calmly tell her that you understand that she is upset and you're going to give her some time to calm down and then walk away. This tells her that you acknowledge her, but you will not tolerate the behavior.

Once she calms down then you can all talk about it. Oh and don't forget the praise. If she uses the special word and lets you know she's getting upset make a big deal out of it. Congratulate her and let her be the one to pick out the sticker and put it on the chart. Maybe even offer her something special (but not food... never reward with food) like a small toy or something for every 10 or 20 stars/stickers. Also if she does cry or throw a tantrum praise her when she stops and gets her emotions under control. Tell her that you're proud of her for controlling herself (even if the tantrum lasts an hour). You'll find that if you do this, the tantrums will be fewer and far between... and will not last as long.

Another thing you may want to do is make some house and "going out" rules and consequences. Let her be involved in this too. You'll be surprised what kids can come up with. When you make a rule... like for instance "no running in the house" also make a consequence for breaking the rule like "a 5 minute timeout for running". This way she will know what the consequence will be if she breaks a rule.

What I plan to do with my daughter is I'll give her 1 chance in a day to break any one rule... I'll give her a warning and remind her of the consequence. If she does it again then she faces the consequence. We have to face the fact that kids often forget, but as long as they learn that there is a consequence to everything we do... they will have more respect for the rules.

When you make the rules concentrate on the things that she most often gets upset about and go from there. Don't make too many at once though... she'll get confused and feel overwhelmed. I'd start with 5 and then add a new one each time a problem arises.

You may also want to get her into a daily routine. You don't necessarily have to stick to a time schedule, but having a routine and knowing what the rules of the house are will help her feel more secure.

And about the grandparents... you can't tell them what to do in their own home, but you can teach your daughter that the rules are different at her grandparents than they are at home and that's ok. When she's at home she follows your rules and when she's at her grandparents she follows theirs. A lot of people think this is confusing for a kid, but it really isn't as long as it's made clear to them. You might even find that her behavior will change even when she's at her grandparents because she's getting what she needs at home with you.

Hope this helps!


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lunaeclips5
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | lunaeclips5
^ year old crys all the time.
i seriously don't think that punishing her for this is right.
its not her fault she has been let to get away with thing and as she has been bought up like that, it may be too much to soon for her to handle thats why she is crying all the time. Go back to when she was three and start from there, gradually building her confidence, and showing her nicely how to do it again. she is only 6 and is only beginning to learn how to manage her self. by the time she turns seven she should have her self and her belongings worked out.. i don't know any 6 year old who fold clothing..i think she is a little young for that.. if she does help its on the fun side of things... maybe you should talk with her and see why she is crying i'm pretty sure it's because it's to much but let her confide in you.. if she doesn't brush her teeth for one day it's not gonna kill her.. most of the time kids act this way because they have been bought up with adults who take little if any interest of there child... and by the way you say your defacto's family has given her what ever when ever it tells me that they did this to keep her happy and out of the way, but i cant say that for sure as i dont know them..give her time and back down a little and by seven youll be wondering why you thought this was a problem
Good luck


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danniandadamevans
3.74 (Good) | January 2007 | danniandadamevans
^ year old crys all the time.
Thankfully she is still young. I have a step son who is 12 who carries on and it's because of his mum letting him run riot and getting what ever he wants and the best thing I found is to ignore them like they aren't in the room when they carry on because after a while they realise that no-one is paying them any attention and they calm down and act more socially. It takes time and persistence but it does work.


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      lunaeclips5
4.08 (Good) | January 2007 | lunaeclips5
^ year old crys all the time.
you cant compare a 6 year old to a 12 year old a six year old is in no means as capable as a 12 year old a 12 year old doesn't do it because they don't want to a 6 year old bought up like this doesnt understand. persisting would be damaging her..Teaching her again and helping her would make it fun..


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breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | breannababy
^ year old crys all the time.
OK first of all she has had five long impressionable years of being bought up one way,she is only 6.Heck me as adult would want the other life back LOL I really think you need to keep one set of guide lines in place and be consistant with them.Try and over look the grandies imput I mean they are not going to be objective as this is their way.Stand your ground.....I would have family counseling as you could all benefit from this,You and your partner may learn some invaluable tools in dealing with your daughter.Remember 6 is still very young to be expecting rational behaviour.goodluck and best wishes regards Merle


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ozhog
2.33 (Poor) | January 2007 | ozhog
^ year old crys all the time.
I know this sounds cruel but, have you tried just ignoring her when she tries this on. Even when you punish her by taking toys away or sending her to bed etc, she is getting attention. Sounds tough but let her cry, if her crying blocks out the TV, turn it up. Make her realise she is not the only one who matters.
Hey for that matter start wailing if you don't get your own way.

(Radical is my middle name)


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      lunaeclips5
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | lunaeclips5
^ year old crys all the time.
This makes me sick you cant ignore her she has needs that aren't being met i'm angered by the comment some people have made here as its obvious this is how she has always been treated.  THIS CHILD IS CRYING OUT AND NOBODY CARES AS YOU SAYING THE SAME THING AS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE...


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           monyq83
1.00 (Very Poor) | January 2007 | monyq83
^ year old crys all the time.

Its not that noone cares, and Im not saying that you have to ignore her all day, Im just saying that if you give in again and again again and give her what she wants when she cries you are still spoiling her and adding to the problem.

My advice would be when she wants something and cries for it, say to her in a firm voice to stop crying, and when she does she can have what she wants. If she doesnt stop crying and ignores what you have told her to do, then a) send her to her room and ignore her for an agreed amount of time with your wife, until she can behave and then give her what she wants, b) but her on the naughty step for an agreed length of time and ignore her til she behaves. This doesnt mean that 'you dont care', as obviously by trying to fix the situation you care enough about the child to try and curb future embarassment at school and in public by these crying tantrums. Call me harsh but I know it works.



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           rachelcook
5.00 (Excellent) | January 2007 | rachelcook
^ year old crys all the time.
Unfortunately, it does appear that the grandparents and other influences in her life have taught her how to receive instant gratification by crying. Although, I do believe that it is the behaviour, rather than the causes of it that needs to be addressed. Grandparents need to respect you and your wife's position and firstly, you both need to agree on the child you wish to raise and present a united front. Your wife needs to explain to her parents exactly her terms for discipline and giving or not giving the child exactly what she wants - your wife may need to be present when she visits to (re-set) the parenting style. Giving them everything they want is just another way of telling them to be seen and not heard.

Next, I really believe the relationship between her mother and the child needs to be strengthened and the discipline for now, be done by her with your support. I believe children need at least one parent that sets the rules for all the other adults to support and usually this is the mother. Consistent rules and boundaries will re-set the behaviour and I say with experience to make sure you have a list of things you and your wife won't compromise on and will not let the grandparents compromise on - eg. hitting, screaming for unreasonable things etc...Although at this age, they do start school and this can be a major change in their lives. So she will either learn it from you, or learn better behaviour at school where she can't cry for hours...

Since, she has been under a different parenting style, I would lay out the rules that the family including the parents agree with - ie. hitting or something that is so obvious that the grandparents would have to agree with..and build from there picking your battles...sounds like a need for the supernanny - her book is really helpful here!!

One tip she recommends is allowing your 6year old to express her feelings in a "feelings box" that her mother can read and if she is okay with it, so you can read. This helps with learning to express herself in other ways without fear of punishment and teaches parents compassion and seeing her a little person in her own right. Good Luck.


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                lunaeclips5
January 2007 | lunaeclips5
^ year old crys all the time.
perfectly Said Brilliant Job..


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                monyq83
1.00 (Very Poor) | January 2007 | monyq83
^ year old crys all the time.
Whoa thats really great advice, where were you rachel when I was having trouble with my ex mother in law for the same thing?lol


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      monyq83
2.47 (Poor) | January 2007 | monyq83
^ year old crys all the time.

call me a bitch but i agree. I have tried this technique on my kids, and they soon enough learn that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable, and they get sick of doing what htey are doing as it gets them nowhere.

what a frustrating situation for you to be in and i certainly do not agree with the grandparents. what they have done is spoil the child and created a far bigger problem in the long run. im really sorry to hear this, it must be extremely stressful for you as its always harder raising someone elses child rather than your own.



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      MadMel
2.47 (Poor) | January 2007 | MadMel
^ year old crys all the time.
HAHAHA I dont bother with turning the volume up i just turn the subtitles on lol


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