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Jody31
Jody31 | March 2007

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HI everyone,

Take a look at the attached picture. This is my 13 year old daughter who I think is naturally gorgeous (bias I know!) Lately practically overnight she has turned "goth". Black lipstick, dark eye make up around her eyes and has a sombre personality come out.

She was the most polite beautiful girl last week and now look she cant even smile for a pic! *sigh*. I know this is a fad but Im really disappointed as I thought she was going to miss this type of personality. Personally I dont have a problem who choose to live life this way but she is DEFINITELY "goth" in any way previously.

Has anybody else had teenagers who suddenly turn "dark"so to speak? She is also into backchatting, hibernating in  her room etc. I have tried talking, taking the new look in my stride but it shows in her personality and at school. I dont want to see a downhill slide in her schooling and life.

Any experiences from other parents would be fantastic. I guess Ill just try to ride it out as I know its  a fad but gee its disappointing. Was only late last week she qualified for a black belt.

I dunno kids these days!

Jody



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rosalinda
March 2007 | rosalinda
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 Ah well; at least she's found a relatively harmless way to be rebellious. Its all part of being a teenager, part of their developmental needs. In order to figure out what their own values & choices are, they have to reject ours. After a time of rebelling, they then decide which values they want to claim for their own. At that point thay may well decide to take up some (or all) of our values. But we will be the last to know b/c they won't want to give us any credit! 
If it really bothers you, try complimenting her on her lipstick & nailcolours. Ask to borrow them perhaps? Most teenagers in this phase will find anything their mum likes immediately abhorrent. If not; at least you will have opened communication on a level she's into. And communication is the most important thing... Remember your own adolescence; if you drive a wedge in b/c of taste in clothes or makeup, she'll use it as an excuse to not talk to you about more important things. Like sex, drugs & boys. Its like a test; hone up on your acting skills & get prepared to gush in a loving mummy way over all her latest fads.. 


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RebeccaDorant
March 2007 | RebeccaDorant
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i really think that this dark "phase" is somthing everyone needs to go through because it explores our personalities so much more than conformity ever could... being a good girl all the time can have it's draw backs and the freedom that this side of your daughters personality gives can be the most liberating thing in her young and inexperienced mind. of course you should protect her safty but dont try to make her conform to your ideals because at the end of the day it's just a face put on by her to try and get the freedom she desires.


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lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | lexiw
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I sent you a friend invite I hope I can be of some help I was "GOTH" once and I can maybe answer some questions you may have

 Lexi xxx



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      Wendigo
March 2007 | Wendigo
Me too...

Been there, done that. Lexi, are you sure you aren't me in disguise! lol



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liddia
March 2007 | liddia
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lord, i dont want my daugher to become a teen.. i recall as a teenager horrifying my mother and father with the sex pistols and the like... now, i cant say i really liked this music, but it was cool, so i tolerated it ( and personally i think its makes a great alternative to slim dusty on long car trips with dad..lol).. i did the black lipstick...the black nailpolish...the solem/sombre/moody thing. and i was SO not punk..i ALSO did the wake me up before you go go thing.. flouro tube skirts and flouro plastic  shoes. big hair spiked to within an inch of its life.. i did the sneaking into nightclubs at 15 til 3 am in the morning...and i hated my mother every day for a good couple of years.. for reasons that i can't even remember now...

i think what i am trying to say is.. be aware.. know what shes doing, who shes doing it with, and where shes doing it...give her her privacy,allow her to experiment.. but have clear cut rules and expecations...thats not to say let her have free reign, but.. she will experiment with or without you, and surely its always better for her to do it with you...(or your knowledge at least)

its hormonal,its peer pressure, its her step sister moving in, its testing the boundaries, its trying to find who she is and where she fits into this world..i am willing to bet that it is a combination of all of those things...

the razor blades are something of a concern..and i hate to say it, but you have violated her trust by going through her stuff.. i would be really impressed if she opened up to you and told you why she had them , i imagine she'll more than likely be angry that you actually serached her room...and please dont think  im being judgemental here, i am really not.. my daughter isnt a teen yet, and i am pretty sure that  i wil be searching her things at some point or other, but i wont be surprised when she responds with anger when i do...

not sure ive given you anything of value here... this whole parenting gameis onesteep learning curve for us all.. i think the key is to stay calm, and try to remain objective...i wish you all the luck...xoxo



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      liddia
March 2007 | liddia
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PS: let it be known that i am in now way suggesting or condoning experimentation with drugs alcohol or sex...just thought i should clear that up


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monyq83
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | monyq83
Ive been in your daughter's position before.

Can I say something from your daughter's point of view? I was once in her shoes as well.

As a teen I put my mum through hell and back. I did everything bad that I could possibly do, short of killing myself. I went through the goth stage, became obsessed with the occult, listened to Marilyn Manson, ran away from home, wagged school every second day of year nine, yes I drank, yes I tried drugs (but thats as far as it went) , and yes I self harmed. In short I was a total bitch and now, as a parent, and an adult, I hate myself for what I did to my mum.

Although I didnt know it then, alot of it was related to depression. My mum tried getting me counselling, both one on one, and by way of mediation with mum, me and the counsellor. Nothing worked. I was in a phase in my life where I didnt want to be helped, I didnt want boundaries, all I wanted was free reign where I could go out and have the freedom that all my other friends got. I lived in a very controlling home environment and I acted out against it.

What Im trying to say is, (and please dont take this the wrong way Im only saying this for fear that if I dont you may lose the bond between you and your daughter) maybe try loosening the strings on her a little bit? Now Im not saying let her run rampant, but as you suggested, let her listen to her music, through the earphones, encourage her to start a diary, she needs a way to escape and release the tension that all teenagers get when they hit puberty. For some the hormones dont kick in till a bit later, and when they do, trust me you'll know it. As you described, they can go from angels to devils almost overnight. Get her lessons in martial arts or boxing or something where she can let loose and hurt noone when she feels she needs to release the anger. I know that sounds extremely violent, but believe me, in a controlled environment, its anything but. That was the one main thing that actually calmed me down. My mum was completely against me doing these lessons at first and once she noticed the change in my personality, she actually encouraged me to go.

I really hope things change for you at home soon, and as much as I know you dont like it, dont try and stop her from being a goth just yet. She is going through an important phase in her life right now where she is trying to discover who she is. Just leave her and all her black lol and you may just be surprised.... From the darkness of her coocoon may emerge a very beautiful young butterfly.

Please let me know if theres anything I can do to help. Love MonyQ.



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mum2four
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | mum2four
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I was just going through minti and I noticed that you have recently put a blog on about your step daughter living with you now.I was just wondering how long has your step daughter lived with you and if your 13 yr old daughter started with her  new goth fad  could it have been soon after the step daughter moved in?Do your daughter and the step daughter get along ok?And how does your daughter feel about your step daughter living with you ?, the way you mentioned in your blog you must get on quite well with the step daughter ,maybe she feels like her step sister has taken her place.


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      Jody31
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Jody31
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Hi

My stepdaughter has been living with us since December of last year. It is a trial basis at the moment. However both girls have been treated exactly the same with no special treatment for step child. My biological daughter has spent alone time with me as I aware of this issue and I also take time out to do things with both the girls. However it could well be due to stepdaughter moving in. Both her father and myself have tried to include both girls as well as one on one time with them each to avoid just this. Regardless, I will be talking to my daughter to see if this could be the backbone of the problem and see what arises. Thanks again



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Tadexpress
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Tadexpress
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How you react sets the tone for your relationship, we've been through the black clothes, not goth in the true sense just everything had to be black, then we went through the smiley/ frosty stage where the kids male and female alike would burn themselves with either a hit lighter or aerosol can, we went through the body piercing stage, tatooing stage I am completely unshockable. At the end of it all I have four adults one who for all intents and purposes looks acts and speaks like a regular adult, two who still have spacers in there ears sometimes but the rest of the jewellery is gone, tat's are always in places that were easily concealled and so the boys can work in regular jobs looking like regular people and then be themselves on the weekend and the youngest is an emo, different to a goth, punk style who looks absolutely gorgeous when she's dressed up, her piercings are small and discrete when necessary... fads come and go but the trust remains. The more you rant and rave and invade their privacy the more of the relationship you destroy with them and thats the worse thing I believe you can do to your own child....no body is perfect and yet in this world many of us do not value the individuals right to explore things that are considered unusual/ different. I lost a lot of people I thought were friends because I allowed my kids to explore but I didnt lose my kids, I always knew where they were and what they were doing I was always there as part of their life... to me that was important so I could guide and advise. Kids will do what kids want to do but the difference is whether you know about it or not....my kids were never rudely spoken to me except for the last who turned into the spawn of satan overnight and stayed that way for 4 years, I would put my hand up open palm and say dont speak to me like that, I prefer you to speak politely or we cant have this conversation. It was hard but now she's 20 and says I dont know how you put up with me and my answer is simply beccause I love you. Take each day as it comes, your daughter is sorting out who she is and who she will become, support her but also respect her you can still have boundaries without becoming the enemy.


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      monyq83
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | monyq83
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wow that has got to be the best advice i have read on minti in a long time. i take my hat off to you, what a fantastic mother you are. well done.


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      MadMel
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | MadMel
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exactly!
Well said!!
Thanks:)


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      breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | breannababy
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I LOVE this answer TAD MWAH Merle


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Jody31
March 2007 | Jody31
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I also wanted to add that, in her room I found these bands whose music (I think) is less favourable for a 13 year old to listen to. The song titles were enough (death, suicide etc.) So Ive discarded them. Call it an invasion of privacy if you will. Im making an appointment at her school because I feel something has definitely happened. Do you think Ill make it worse by taking this sort of control? Its deffinitely very hard. She was doing so well at school and her books now contain pictures of upside down crosses, grotesque band pictures etc.

What do you think?



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      gc
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | gc
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Can I ask which bands they are?

I don't mean any offence when I say this but how can she respect you if you can't respect her belongings and her right to privacy? I listened to all kinds of music as a teenager but listening to Queen sing "Do you feel like suicide (I think you should)" did not make me want to kill myself. Even now I listen to Marilyn Manson (who, just so you know, is an incredibly intelligent and eloquent man with interesting political views), My Chemical Romance (a bit emo but they have some good rhythms), Green Day, Rage Against The Machine (both of who are angry and political) etc. Music is a way of self-expression, and sometimes by listening to someone who has been through what you are going through, or felt what you are feeling, helps you feel less alone in the world.

It is probably a fad and it's hard work, for sure. I have two teenagers myself. I bought a book recently called "The Princess Bitchface Syndrome" by Dr Michael Carr-Gregg which deals with the ways daughters change almost overnight. I haven't read it yet (am reading too much atm for uni) but I will have a look this arvo and let you know if it is worth buying for your sanity! :)

Good luck.


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           Jody31
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Jody31
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Hi

In response to someone asking what music she was listening to, I comfiscated the following albums (which obviously belong to someone else as I didnt buy them)

Gutted, Carcass, Cryptic Slaughter, Ungod and Infester

Ive never heard of them before, as for the issue of her respecting me when I invade her room, just prior to this post after discovering the Infester CD which was under her mattress it contained two razor blades in the booklet. This isnt about me being invasive this is now about safety. If I hadnt of looked I would never of found. I certainly hope this doesnt turn into anything more serious, fads are one thing self harm is a different ball game for professionals not for me. Im so upset now the more I type the closer to tears I get. If you all knew her, you would be so devastated. She comes from a stable environment, and why else would razor blades be in a CD booklet? Its not for cutting her sandwhiches.

 



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      breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | breannababy
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Usually his is a cry to fit in,some teens go through these different way out looks cause they want to make a statement on their individuality some do it as a cry to fit in.......If she has had no trouble with friend,school boys etc I wouldn't worry too much.Before throwing her music out listen to it some of it isn't that bad.She will see it as an invasion of privacy and u could perhaps apologise for throwing it out use this as a way of listening and compromising over the music issue.Find some artists and listen together to the music and then pick acceptable tracks to record or download.Google Goth and research the way of life get an educated opinion before you condem it to her.Research it together.Find an alternative new age path Wicca for exmple this religion is so peaceful and mysterious but it is a light religion not dark.Do this together.Have a sleep over for all her friends and do a goth theme get into it with her you dress goth for the party as well.Please it is early yet respect her privacy,you are doing a wonderful job dont lose her through such a big issue to her(the room and going thrlough her stuff)Don't worry if you think drugs are a problem then do the search.Good luck and keep me informed on how you go with her I am truly concerned and interested.


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           Jody31
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Jody31
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Hi

Thanks for your response. I am blogging this so anyone can read my progress with this issue.

I have a problem with the music, I did listen to it, It reeks of suicide, hate, death etc. I dont think its suitable to be playing in my home. Fair enough it may be her choice as I cant control what she listens to elsewhere but I dont want my 9 year old or 15 yr old step daughter having to listen to it. Im sorry if my opinion differs from yours. I havent thrown them out so to speak I have hidden them. It will be an issue to be discussed - perhaps a compromise of headphones?? I also cant agree to see my daughter go from such a polite daughter to disrespectful either which is what she has become. Its an issue of respect regardless of her beliefs. Do keep contact - other points of view are always welcomed and keep an eye on the blog.



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                breannababy
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | breannababy
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I wouldnt say your opinion differs from mine a great deal.....I was just trying to offer avenues of dealing with the problem.I in no meant for you to change your values or ideals.I really was only suggesting that it might be a fun way of getting her to understand goth may not necessarily be about suicide etc.You are right you should not have to listen to disrespectful behavior from her.......I just thought that getting in and researching goth and perhaps making it a fun thing may laugh the blackness and moods away it is in the early stages and this may work rather than the stern approach sorry I didn't mean to offend nor was I judging you merely only trying to help regards Merle


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                     Jody31
5.00 (Excellent) | March 2007 | Jody31
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HI Merle

Dont worry Im thick skinned!

Her personality is her personality, that I cannot change. However way she wishes to live her life, she still needs to abide by rules, show respect etc. Boundaries still need to be in place at this age. I personally believe that "goth" so to speak with my daughter is a phase as she previously showed no interest and it will probably come and go as quick as it came. In the meantime I feel as a parent that 1. I need to respect her privacy but she also needs to respect her siblings and parents. 2. She also needs to abide by the same rules as everybody else in the home, and thirdly I feel it is a cry for help thats why Im delving deeper whether it be an issue I can bring out of her through conversation or perhaps a psychologist. Who knows but for now Im stern with her due to her treatment of others and other peoples property, not necessarily with the make up or clothes she wears. Thanks Ill talk to u soon



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