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jmrmumstheword | May 2007

does anyone feel the same as me?

well my mother in law reckons that when you have a miscarriage it is called an abortion and i have been told by dr's also that this is true, now what i don't get is i never went to the clinic and asked them to abort my child it happened due to my body not my mind so why is that they call it something it's not?
does anyone feel the same way about this subject?, i refuse to believe it is a abortion when i had no control over it happening in the first place, it's so upsetting that when i say i had a miscarriage people correct me on it with "it's an abortion, not a miscarriage"
please help!

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jmrmumstheword
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | jmrmumstheword
cheers girls
thanks to everyone who has taken the time to help me on this, i do understand the difference and all and thank you all very much to those of you who explanned to me and sent me links but what i am trying to say is why?, why should they be able to call this an abortion, i don't care if they called it an accidental abortion or what ever lol sorry i forget the word lol, it's the fact that these people say i had something i never and to explain it to them is like talking to a brick wall, they don't care but i'm sure and i would bet my life on it too that if they were in our situation they wouldn't bloody like it either!!!!!!!!!
inconsiderate i say and if ever it was to happen to me again i would let the pigs know too, sorry if i offend anyone and i know not all are like that so please no hate mail lol but this is aimed at the ones that don't care and have lost the passion for their work, it's cruel and i could never be so hurtful to others who have been through something like this, and i do still have compassion for others who do choose to terminate, i don't hate anyone it's a powerful word that one and it tends to get thrown around to often and for the fact they may actually have a good reason for this act, may it be because of health reasons or life threatening or for the fact they really can't cope and some people still get pregnant with contraception, believe me i do know a fare few people who have so trying to protect against pregnancy doesn't always work for some people, and i believe if people do all they can to stop it and it still happens and they either don't want anymore or just can't cope with anymore then who are we to judge!
thanks again to everyone i hope i haven't offended anyone it's the last thing i want to do, but i need to express this situation from both sides because some of us tend to nit pick at others for choosing to abort and sometimes these people have no choice either no i haven't had to but i do care about peoples feelings thank you again for everything
mwah Nikki xx


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Roz69
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | Roz69
Regarding your miscarriage to abortion,Nikki!

I lost a baby back in March 1996 - and the Doctors & other medical staff said that I definitely had a miscarriage - not an abortion!! I had to have it done for medical reasons as my baby had died inside me & was making me really sick - having toxicemia - being poisoned I was - so the only way I could get better was for me to have an emergency curette and that is so totally different from an abortion,too!! Had to have it done for medical reasons but definitely not by choice either!!

It was bad enough that we had lost our baby but the medical staff said that it was that serious that my hubby could have lost me,too!!

So where do some doctors' & people saying that they are the same get off - as they are definitely are not!! As I didn't have the choice to make that decision - I had already lost my baby & my life was definitely at risk - so if the Doctors' & the other medical staff didn't do their job - I would not have been here to say this - would I now?!!

Hope this clears it up for you,Nikki!!



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      jmrmumstheword
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | jmrmumstheword
aww roz
hun i'm so sorry, i know how much you would have wanted your baby and it's terrible.
you had no choice because it became life threatening and i know for a fact that if something like that was to happen to me i wouldn't want to have a baby inside me that wasn't alive either, i hope i haven't offended you hun not my intentions ok
please if you need to talk with me about it you know you can, love ya mwah
Nikki xx


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fifey
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | fifey
does anyone feel the same as me?
Abortion= means it was your decision to end the pregnancy.
Misscarriage= means you lost your baby accidently, without your intention., either by bleeding or for some other reason.


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rockclimbr4400
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | rockclimbr4400
what?
Saying a miscarriage is the same as an abortion is like saying murder is the same as dying of old age. This is nuts! You didn't mean to have this happen. You didn't hurt your baby, your baby just died, you didn't kill him/her. I think a miscarrige is a pregnancy in which the baby dies, and the circumstances are out of the mothers hands. An abortion is a willful act to terminate a pregnancy, which you didn't do.


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Libby24
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | Libby24
miscarrage/abortion
not sure if anyone has writen this but if they have sorry to write it again. The reason they call it an abortion is because the body has aborted it as there was something wrong with it. I believe that if you "Kill" the child via the way at the hospital due to your choice then that is an abortion, but if your body says hey there is something wrong and aborts it itself then it is a misscarrage. sadly at the hospital they have to use the medical terminoligy.

My heart goes out to you, it was awful of them to say that to you.

Liz


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nell18-3
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | nell18-3
does anyone feel the same as me?
I Do!!
I had a complicated pregnancy and when I went for a scan the doctors told me the baby had been dead for weeks, I was at my 20th week of the pregnancy and had to have a D and C to remove the baby
Along with the devastation of that all the medical people kept calling it a "missed abortion" as my body should have aborted it but it didn't
I kept telling them all I was really insulted by that  phrase as to me abortion puts me in the mind of an unwanted or unplanned kind of pregnancy and I wanted this baby. Because I was so upset I got them to change their wording!!!
I only ever refer it to as a Missed Miscarriage.


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mumof1girl
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | mumof1girl
does anyone feel the same as me?

I don't believe it's also called an abortion. Having a miscarriage and having an abortion is 2 seperate things. How can they call a miscarriage the same as an abortion.

Don't they realise that when you have a miscarriage, that your body is rejecting the child as there is many reasons why your body does this, and an abortion, that your baby is still alive and you're the one who's killing the unborn child on purpose.

A miscarriage can't be helped but an abortion can. I totally agree with you Nikki, that having a miscarriage and an abortion are 2 seperate things.



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bittenbythelovebug
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | bittenbythelovebug
funnily enough...

Ignore your MIL...she is being insensitive. I have a MIL that speaks before she thinks too!!

I have to tell you however that when I had an abortion (for reasons I will not go into). No one ever called it an Abortion. It was refered to as a "termination" or "procedure". 

So, I  don't think that your miscarriage should be refered to as an abortion because when I had an abortion, the word was never mentioned. Maybe that's why they don't use the word in hospital...because it comes with alot of emotions.

 



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toosh
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | toosh
does anyone feel the same as me?
I totally agree with you! I believe it is very insensitive of people to tell you that you have had an "abortion" when you have miscarried! As far as I'm concerned an abortion is when you go & have the baby removed - whether it be voluntary or necessary. It is awful that people are telling you you are using the wrong term for your unfortunate loss. Tell them all where to go!


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cardcarrincrazy
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | cardcarrincrazy
SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS
  THE TERM ABORTION DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CHOOSE TO GET RID OF YOUR BABY IN THIS CASE, THE PROPER TERM IS SPONTANEOUS ABORTION. tHIS SIMPLY MEANS THAT THE BODY FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER WAS NOT ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE PREGNANCY. wHEN A MOTHER LOSES A BABY THERE IS NATURALLY A LITTLE GUILT FEELING THAT COMES WITH THE LOSS, yOU FEEL AS IF THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY.. tHIS IS JUST A MEDICAL TERM IT IS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE ANYONE FEEL ANYMORE GUILT THAN WHAT THEY ALREADY DO. THIS TERM WAS ORIGINATED LONG BEFORE THE CLINICAL ABORTION WERE EVER PERFORMED.


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      cheekymonkey
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | cheekymonkey
abortion

ok these are from a dictionary, just to give some defintions...

 abortion –noun 1. Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy. 2. any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, esp. during the first six months. 3. Also called spontaneous abortion. miscarriage (def. 3). 4. an immature and nonviable fetus. 5. abortus (def. 2b). 6. any malformed or monstrous person, thing, etc. 7. Biology. the arrested development of an embryo or an organ at a more or less early stage. 8. the stopping of an illness, infection, etc., at a very early stage. 9. Informal. a. shambles; mess. b. anything that fails to develop, progress, or mature, as a design or project.

found at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abortion

 



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winja
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | winja
emergency contraception or abortion pill?
hmm this is a lil off track but awhile ago i went and got the morning after pill i see as emergency contraception id never used it b4 but i needed to be sure, the chemist refered to it as th abortion pill which i thought a lil silly, see if i was already pregnant th pill wouldnt work they told me that, it is supposed to act like a normal contraception and block a pregnancy from happening not kill one that it already there, i think terms can be confusing.


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samantha
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | samantha
what!!!
that dosn't sound right to me at all, if i had a miscarage i would refer to it as a "miscarage", if i had an abortion i would say i had an "abortion" because this is always what i've known them to mean, an abortion is deliberate, a miscarage is not, i think thats stupid if there trying to say its the same


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cookclan
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | cookclan
I find it offensive but it is a word professionals do use...

After my gorgeous Jess died inside of me and I mean late in my pregnancy I was offered a theraputic abortion...that is what they called bringing on my labour....I didn't like the term and told them in my own words not suitable for here hehe....Then when I had my first miscarriage after that I was told that when i started to bleed that my body had aborted my fetus....hmmmm to which I was also annoyed.....The next misscarriage I had I did not bleed and loose my twins they just stopped growing in side of me and I had to have a curette...The words used again were this fetuses did not naturally abort....Sometimes doctors can be a little heartless with the words they use as this is the medical terms they have been taught maybe....You call it miscarriage if that is what you are comfortable with and if anyone else says abotion to you then tell them No Miscarriage....here is the meanings of abort and abotion in the dictionary for you Have a great day hunni

Mwah

Angie



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      jmrmumstheword
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | jmrmumstheword
thanx
i know they think they have to use them but it seems so cruel to me, alot of people here have had at least one and we all feel the same is there some way we can try and get them to change it?
it's so unfare to all of us and it shouldn't be used in that term unless it was a abortion
thank you hun and i'm so terribly sorry for all you have lost
mwah xx


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      merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | merlin0903
i find it offensive bit it is a word professionals do use... i agree
i know with mine they used the same words almost and were very less, some nurses even told me that they deal with this all the time and that i should just get over it,  they may deal with it all the time but the ones that are going though it haven't.  i think that sometime people should sit and think before they open their mouths and say something that is going to hurtfull and upsetting.


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           crystalmoon
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | crystalmoon
it is sooo
sad when health care(or any one reall) become so anethatized (SP) to their job they lose the ability to be compassionate.......I am lucky with 3 ectopics my health care workers were nothing less than brilliant.I am sorry for your experience hugs Crystal


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jmrmumstheword
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | jmrmumstheword
thanks girls
thank you all so much it helps to know i'm not alone on this matter and i don't take offence to anyones thought i did ask lol
i know they have their own lingo when it comes to this sort of thing but it can scar people if spoken about with someone who has had one, we all know and understand that
i believe it should still be named miscarriage as it can worsten the grief and recovery for the parents involved and it should have never been named that in the first place
like i said i don't blame anyone for having one each to their own but i personally don't want mine called that as i never asked for it and when they do say abortion i feel like it's my fault and that i had a choice even though i know i didn't
thanks again girls much appreciated
mwah xx


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      merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | merlin0903
thank you

please don't ever think that it was your fault cause like we have all said it just happens and for reasons that none of us will never know.  i know that it is a  time i now have a 14month and i still think now and then what it would have been like.  but you are going to do that time to time and that is natural.

if you ever want to talk just email.



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jenaya04
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | jenaya04
Yes
If even the dr is saying that a m/c is an abortion then Im sure there are alot of misguided people out there as I have never heard of anyone saying they have had an abortion when they m/c'd. I always thought an abortion was a choice to terminate a pregnancy where as a m/c is the bodies way of ceasing a pregnancy. I suppose u could also say a m/c is the bodies way of aborting a feotus. What about abortion clinics? Do women go there then to m/c seeing an abortion is now known as a m/c? If you went round telling people u aborted being the new word for m/c, u will be crusified!!! Not everyone is pro-choice and most will believe u really did abort. Is that what your mil is telling others too?


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merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | merlin0903
does anyone feel the same as me?

i feel the same as you....

 it really upsets to me to hear that people are saying things like that,  i have had 2 miscarriages myself 1 at 8weeks and the other at 16 weeks,  when 1st one happened i was told by a nurse that i didn't want it so that is what happens,  i did want it i wanted it really badly and would have done anything to stop what was happening,  with the 2nd one i was told by the doctor that my body just couldn't cope with the baby so it got rid of it and that i should just get over it and just try again.

its not abortion (in my eyes) it has just happened cause of reason that we will never know, my gm told me when i had the 1st one "that for all we know there might have been something wrong with the bub and thats why it happened " 

Miscarriages are not something that you just get over they stay with you for life you might not think about it everyday but you know in your heart that you loved them and that they are somewhere looking over you, thats the way i see it.

as for abortion side of things you are right you didn't go somewhere and ask for your unborn child to be taken from you so there is no reason why you should justify it to anyone a miscarriage is a miscarriage and should never be called an abortion to your face or anyones face that has gone through this.

i hope that this has helped in some way.



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      urshy
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | urshy
does anyone feel the same as me?

What an incensitive b*#@*, the nurse I mean, to even suggest that you did not want that baby.  I sickens me when uncaring cows are in a nursing position like that, when mums need them to be supportive, and they then go around saying stuff like that to you after you have just lost your dear precious little baby he/she (that what I called mine when I did not know the sex, no offence intended).  Was she inside of your head was she, even though you were wanting this child more than anything in the world, she knew what you wanted, what you were thinking.  How rude.  Is there anyway that you could have reported her for saying such awful things??  My heart goes out to you and to everyone here who has lost a child, whether it be by natural causes or by having an abortion.  Everyone has their reasons and noone should ever have to justify themselves to anyone.  I mean, what would happen if someone were raped...... and became pregnant because of this.... are you expected to carry this child, I think not.  You would be reliving your nightmare day after day.  But, on the other hand, if people do not want to use contraception or do not believe in contraception, and fall pregnant, and then terminate their pregnancy because they did not want to take precaustions, then I do get cross as there are people out there, like me, who found it near impossible to get pregnant, and now after my first birth, I can never fall pregnant again as I will end up in wheelchair for life if I do.  So I do take that to heart when people know what can happen when they "play vertical games" lol, dont use protection, fall pregnant, then dont want it. 

Sorry bout the essay, and its a comment in general, not all aimed at you merlin.....lol..... only the incensitive nurse bit, but I do not think that anyone has the right to say to you that you had an abortion or that you aborted the baby when in fact you experienced a miscarriage.

My condolances to every mother and father out there who have experienced this as it would be heartbreaking.  I hope that noone gets angry over what I have written, as this is not my aim, only my way of expressing my sadness over peoples arrogance, ignorance and incensitivness to peoples feelings.



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           merlin0903
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | merlin0903
thank you urshy

thank you for your support  and your kind words it means a lot and i can't report the nurse cause of that fact that i had mentioned it to someone after it happened and i was told not to anything as it did not happen i must has missheard it

thank you again

i feel bad cause we are all talk about what has happened to us and you can't have another for the risk of ending up in a wheel chair, here is a big warm hug for you from me i know what it wont help much but just know that i care



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mommykjo
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | mommykjo
I strongly agree with you!
I do not believe in abortion myself, but I have had 3 miscarriages and 2 tubal pregnancies that anded up in emergency surgery.  I have never ever heard anyone refer to a miscarriage as a abortion.  I do not know how that is remotely the same.  If that is the case, people that are telling you this should be more concerned for your feelings after having a miscarriage because that is a emotional time as it is and no need for someone making you feel you had something to do with it or that you did something wrong. 

I know all to well what you went through and it isn't easy.  I would disagree on comparing or even calling a miscarriage an abortion.   Unless they say intentional and unintentional.  Then I could somewhat agree to that.  But calling it an abortion does imply what we all know as an abortion. 

You should not worry about what others say when that subject comes up.  God takes our babies because something wasn't right with them, and will bless you with a healthy baby in the future.  I am proof, I have had 10 pregnancies and i do have 4 beautiful healthy children and am very very blessed they are as healthy as they are.

Take care and tell them people that so called correct you, to talk to you when they go through a miscarriage and maybe they will think twice.  (smile)


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mum2four
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | mum2four
Spontanious Abortion

I think sometimes medically a miscariage can also be called spontanious abortion  as the way the body rejects the baby.The nicer terms i think is a miscarriage , with abortion we automatically think of an unwanted pregnancy or terminated due to medical reasons.This is just what I have heard I may be wrong in thinking this.And please feel free to correct me in this if I am wrong.

                                                     Cham



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HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
abortion vs miscarriage

Abortion is just a word.  The clinical definition is below.  I can't believe anyone would tell you that a miscarriage is an abortion even though clinically defined it is.  The word in our society means it was a choice.  I think it is thoughtless and unnecessary!  And if I were you, I would tell them so.

Below was taken from...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death. This can occur spontaneously as a miscarriage, or be artificially induced by chemical, surgical or other means. Commonly, "abortion" refers to an induced procedure at any point during human pregnancy; medically, it is defined as miscarriage or induced termination before twenty weeks' gestation, which is considered nonviable.



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crystalmoon
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | crystalmoon
Nasty interpretation
of the word abortion is what I think it gets down too......I mean with a miscarriage your body naturally aborts the baby.With an abortion it is manual interference that causes the abortion.I think I prefer the word miscarriage rather than abortion for that particular occurrence.I think either abortion or miscarriage can be used in the same context,it gets down to personal preference.Not nice I know........regards Crystal


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natelz1
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | natelz1
dont take this offensively

o my goodness, i have never heard such bull!~ im sorry but your mother in law and drs are nuts. I had a miscarriage a few weeks ago i most certainately did not in any way shape or form ask that to happen. I'm anti abortion a would never. if someone tried to tell me that it was my fault its an abortion id probably spit in there face. I m sorry but i find that offensive. dont listen to these people. An abortion is going to a clinic and telling them to abort your baby. a mis carriage usually happens because baby is not forming well. Im so sorry people think they can say that stuff to you. please dont think this is an attack on you just my opinion.

natz

 



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astrobeka
5.00 (Excellent) | May 2007 | astrobeka
does anyone feel the same as me?

I feel exactly the same!

There are so many horrific images and bad feelings attached to the word Abortion, it should not be used to describe such a sad, tragic and heartbreaking event as a misscariage! Abortion is a choice, misscariage is NOT!
I had a miscarriage back in 2003, and when I was in the hospital they kept saying "Spontaneous Abortion". I had to ask them to explain why they were saying I had an abortion when I had a misscariage.... The nurse told me that it is your body spontaneously aborting the baby, therefore they call it a Spontaneous Abortion!

I all ready felt miserable enough, now  felt like it was my fault due to the stigma attached to the word Abortion!



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