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winja | June 2007

stop the debate on the boob or the bottle!

please guys! this has gone on far too long! can we all just respect that we make different choices in life and stop this debate on what is best?
the thing that is best for a baby is a happy mum! ppl have different reasons for feeding their child different ways, same as we have different reasons for everything we do in life!
if u saw a woman in the street bottle feeding would u walk over and start harping on about the nutritional benifits of breastfeeding and not leave till she agrees with u? i doubt it!
i think it was a great concept to begin with, understanding other ppls choices is wonderfull if u can accept that its just that THEIR CHOICE.
but i really think its time to let it go, everytime i come on minti a see something on formula or breastfeeding and i know alot of mums are getting hurt! why would we wish to hurt our friends?

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toosh
4.76 (Excellent) | June 2007 | toosh
Re: stop the debate on the boob or the bottle!
It's personal choice - get over it! There shouldn't be a debate about it to start with! I am a HUGE believer in Breast but would never push my opinions on anyone and nor should anyone else!


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emmie
4.76 (Excellent) | June 2007 | emmie
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for god sake isnt it about time u all shook this 1 off if u want to bottle feed your child bottle feed if you prefer to breastfeed your child then do that this is all stupid now give it a break and everyone can be happy and enjoy minti again lol.


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princesskc88
3.68 (Good) | June 2007 | princesskc88
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hey omg stop giving winja such a hard time she was tryin to help read it!!!!!! geez come on ppl


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      lisasmith140483
3.95 (Good) | June 2007 | lisasmith140483
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exactly she is only trying to help and show us that we should all just accept eachother!


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lisasmith140483
4.14 (Good) | June 2007 | lisasmith140483
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exactly right everyone has their own opinion on this matter and its fine we are not here to justge people we should be offering advice and support!!


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samantha
2.79 (Average) | June 2007 | samantha
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am i the only one that has noticed that YOU!! are the one going on about boob verses breast. you have gone and done this in q and a. do not read peoples personal blogs then go and windge about it in q and a that is not what this is for. no bitching please


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      llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
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Points to remember - we are discussing a topic that was brought up by a member.  If you can't remember what it was, look at the title bar above.

*  Stick to the topic at hand, for this is what we are discussing.
*  We want your personal opinion on the topic, not on what other people have to say.
*  Read ALL the comments relating to this topic before you post your own.
*  Try to add a comment that will in some way be positive and help other Minti members in regard to this topic.

There is a group that has been designed for venting about all sorts of things - if that is what you want to do, go and write there.



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           samantha
3.53 (Good) | June 2007 | samantha
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who are you speaking to?? if its me what you wrote does not make any sence at all, as i am not venting (errr??) just pointing out that yet again!!! poeple are useing Q and A to vent about breatfeeding yet again!!! and yes i have read all the comments and its all the same old thing


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                llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
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Sam, that's to everyone, and essentially I was agreeing with you, which is why I added it to your reply . 

In fact, I think most of the comments here are quite valid, I just wanted to remind everyone of the appropriate manner in which to get their point across, in this, and all topics.


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      MumKim
4.27 (Good) | June 2007 | MumKim
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According to Winja she wasn't directing this at any blog, article etc in particular. I have been back to the section on the activity log when she wrote this Q and A and apart from comments on one members blog there is no other activity related to breast feeding versus bottle feeding. So I have no idea what debate she is talking about if she isn't referring to that blog.
I had been avoiding commenting on the boob versus bottle debate but feel very strongly about censorship.
It appears to me that her comment has created a lot of discussion!


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           llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
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The reason you can't find anything was because it got out of hand and was deleted by admin, which is why we have being trying to avoid the topic.


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                MumKim
4.64 (Excellent) | June 2007 | MumKim
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Are you referring to the Q & A five days ago which was reported and then according to Clay Cooks blog reinstated because although hotly discussed only one or two comments were actually 'out of line'. If so then that was past history so I see no point in the current Q and A.
or
are you referring to a debate within the past 24 hours that I am unaware of. If this is the case then I will apologise to Winja for my previous comment.


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                     llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
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Mate I think your point on censorship was quite valid, I know I for one hadn't thought of it, as like Winja, it was just to avoid a debate that went on and on with no conclusion except people picking others apart.  If you want to apologise, I am sure she would be greatful, though I'm sure you didn't mean anything personally - it's up to you


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mum2four
4.13 (Good) | June 2007 | mum2four
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I totally agree 100%  with Winja no matter how much the arguemant against or for is going to change peoples minds,this debate could go on for months or yrs lol as there is always gunna be another person with their views to put forward.I think it is time to put it to bed and move on to another subject.

                                               Cham



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hrs2004
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | hrs2004
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I think that the great thing about Minti is that we can debate issues about matters close to our hearts, and everyone seems to have a view about breast and bottle feeding. I think the problem about online forums is that we can have a habit of saying things in a way that we might not otherwise say to family, friends or strangers. We get the chance to air our whole view without seeing how another person is taking it.

I think that the sentiment behind Winja's Q was really that we should just be more sensitive about the way we do things. I don't think she was attacking anyone but expressing a view. As others have commented, blogs are for expressing personal views and as long as they are in line with the Code of Conduct, I reckon anything goes. If you disagree with someone's blog, you can say so, but if you can't do it nicely, just don't.

I think that the debate will continue and I think that's right - we all have a wealth of personal experience. But for me, it comes down to the fact that we should support, not criticise. Debate, not argue. All the time this is happening, then people shouldn't have cause to get offended (and we have no right to be offended purely because we don't agree with the other person, only if they are being offensive). So, my take is that Winja is really sending up a rallying call to play nice. We all deserve it!



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      cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | cazza
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well done hrs2004 and so well put and i absolutely agree with you...

Also if there is a Controversial subject join the controversial group there and have it out, as thats what its there for.....


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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
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Ok go away and get a cuppa or whatever, in fact, have a bottle of red, it's freezing and it's it's Saturday.  Let's all agree that breast feeding and bottle feeding seems to be a heated topic. 

If you have an opinion on it great, however if you can't discuss it without losing your cool, taking it personally, or making personal remarks against another member, then you are being disrespectful to Minti, the other users, and yourself. 

Now if you are in someones blog arguing or marking down comments in it, you should go and find something else to do that is a little more positive.  We are supposed to be a group of parents collectively pooling together to help each other, not to belittle each other.  There is no wrong, there is no right, there is just a lot of information that you can choose to use or discard along the way.


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      samantha
4.11 (Good) | June 2007 | samantha
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well said


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      hrs2004
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | hrs2004
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Ah snap - you type faster than me!


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winja
3.55 (Good) | June 2007 | winja
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just want to clear one thing up. i wasnt pointing a finger at anyone in particular nor did i mention anyones blog or advice or question . i was speaking in general. im not going to argue about anyones blog if u would like to do that take it up with them. my q was cant we all just drop it now?


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      MummaBear
3.75 (Good) | June 2007 | MummaBear
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What was it in relation to then? The last discussion was a while ago and it had ended.  Not pointing the finger here, just curious to know what this was in relation to.


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MumKim
3.26 (Average) | June 2007 | MumKim
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Oh yes - lets all censor our blogs!  Any other topics off limits too????

While you are at it could you ask the formula companies to stop pedaling their formula through the use of "free samples" in child care centres etc. They have a lot more money to publicise their cause than the breast feeding supporters. Most of whom have nothing against bottle feeding mothers. They just want accurate information and support out there so that all women can make educated choices and can get the support they need to allow them to happily proceed along the path they have chosen ( be it breast feeding or bottle feeding).
I have to wonder how many of the bottle feeders who get upset by pro breast feeding comments may have actually been able to breast feed had they been given the right information and support when they needed it. Surely if you feel upset that you were unable to breast feed you would not want another woman to feel that way too if something could be done to prevent it.

Blogs are the place to make personal comment.
As individuals it is our own choice what we choose to read, and how we choose to let it affect us. If you think the topic is likely to upset you then don't click on it!

In response to the  comment by one member that she didn't know it was a blog when she clicked on it  from the home page. Here is a trick you may find handy.  I use Mozzilla fire fox so I am not sure if it works like this in Internet Explorer but if I just hold my cursor over a link on the activity page or the home page then at the bottom of my screen on the left hand side it gives the address which lets me know if it is a blog or a group etc. Quite a useful little trick I have found.


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      lisasmith140483
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | lisasmith140483
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thanks i really didnt know that you could do that so now that i do i will be sure to use that function. thanks Lisa


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MummaBear
3.75 (Good) | June 2007 | MummaBear
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oh my goodness! It's in my own blog and there's nothing in it that's judgemental! If people want to take it that way there's nothing i can do about it.  My goodness this is rediculous! I thought blogs were open to put what we want in there! I would like it if people break down other things we use in day to day life, as was said shampoos contain all sorts of nasties and I think it would be good to look at what's really in things.  Not to say people who use them are bad people, they have their reasons and I wasn't judging but got attacked for it anyway.


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mumof2b
4.25 (Good) | June 2007 | mumof2b
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I started a group for parents who bottle feed after the whole argument the other day when things got very heated. I thought that by doing this we would have a place to go and talk about bottle feeding and get support from each other without having to deal with nasty and hurtful comments...and people who generalise.


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      MumKim
3.39 (Average) | June 2007 | MumKim
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I suspect that this was actually written in response to someones blog so I don't think just keeping it in groups is going to help.
Last I heard we could write pretty much what we like in our blogs as long as it is not too offensive in language or content.


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           mumof2b
4.35 (Good) | June 2007 | mumof2b
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I'm actually responding to a question here...not a blog!!!


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luckyone
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | luckyone
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yes i agree , like u said a happy mum is a happy baby  and thats all thats matters

julie



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lonely28
4.75 (Excellent) | June 2007 | lonely28
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that's what I said earlier. Leave the relevant comments etc in the groups that were formed. I'm really over it and yet others keep bringing it up. This is going to be one of those subjects that people are just going to have learn is a sensitive one and not everyone is going to agree. That's it from me, attack away, I no longer care.


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mummy2girls
5.00 (Excellent) | June 2007 | mummy2girls
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i totally agree...

it's getting boring now, and at the end of the day all that matters is a happy and healthy baby!!!

lol xxxx.



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samantha
2.90 (Average) | June 2007 | samantha
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why who's still going on about it? yours is the first thing i've seen about it for a while


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rae44
3.98 (Good) | June 2007 | rae44
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Well said and I fully agree.

xx's Rach



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llmunchkin
4.27 (Good) | June 2007 | llmunchkin
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A very good point to make, why continue this never ending circle that ends up becoming an unhealthy debate.  There have been groups formed for both bottle feeding and breast feeding, perhaps it would be better discussed there.  Another good point:  Don't type anything you wouldn't say in person, and remember, once it is typed, there is no taking it back.

Happy healthy babies with full tummies and happy healthy Mums is what it is all about - oops and Dad's are bound to feel happier and healthier if the status quo exists - let's not forget Dad's, they love boobs and bottles too.


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