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  anonymous | July 2007

Not parenting but please, please give some advice!

I have an uncle who has been on his own all his life.  He has worked from the time he left school at 15 and has had pretty good jobs.  He was a bank manager at one stage, that got too stressful for him so he left and started a job at Social Security which is now Centrelink.  He worked his way up to manager in the Seniors department but towards the end started working more and more with single parents and that got too much for him again.  He was there for years and the last straw for him was when a mum came in with a 2 year old, smokes in her pocket, looking like she'd just stepped out of a salon, the child was filthy and she was asking for money even though she was on full benefits.  She then told him she can't even afford to buy nappies for the child and sat the child on his desk, at which time foeces came out of the nappy all over his desk.  The mother made no attempt at cleaning it up at all, and it was left for Centrelink staff to do.  She was seeing him because she had spoken to other staff at the front desk and got nowhere with them and demanded to make an appointment with a manager who knows their job.  That would be my uncle.  Being from Seniors department where lovely elderly folk who were respectable and respectful, he was not used to this kind of thing and made up his mind about what single mums were like.  I'm a single parent.  He does not like that.  He's had a breakdown recently and is living with my mum, jobless for the first time ever, and has a massive debt he can't pay off.  He won't seek assistance from Centrlink saying it's a matter of pride.  He won't declare himself bankrupt again saying it's a matter of pride.  He's finding it difficult getting a job since he is depressed and not really trying hard.  My mum arrived home from work to find photos and things blu tacked to the walls she just had painted.  She was away for the weekend and has just arrived home to find he has painted the floor in the room he's in.  She said she can't say anything as he is feeling very down and thinks he's helping.  When he visits us, he yells at my little one for things that I don't even have a problem with normally such as putting on her own movies, bringing her toys out to the lounge room, etc.  He even called out to her while she was in the toilet saying she doesn't need to use so much toilet paper!  My problem is that my mum needs a break from him, he wants to stay with me, but being without transport he would be home the entire day alone, just with the dog for company.  My mum would have to bring him down one weekend and then he'd be stuck for at least a week until she could pick him up again as we live in different towns.  I know what he's done at her house, he even rearranged her lounge room and when she said it was impractical the way it's set up he became suicidal! There are lots of rules at my house.  The house was painted just after Christmas and although I'll be painting one room soon, the rest of the house does not need it.  I like the set-up of it.  I can't afford to make him meals and have him feed the dog, which is also what he does at her house.  How do I set down the ground rules without the risk of him becoming suicidal?  I can't afford to have him damage the house, I can't afford for him to feed the dog our food, and I really won't be putting up with him trying to discipline my child when it's not his place to do so! But he's so fragile at the moment I'm not sure even how to broach the topic with him.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | cheleinkal
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!

Jeez Louise.......what a situation..................Everyone is right, he needs healp and I think you're (and your Mum) are going to have to bully him a little bit for him to get it.  You have to be the tough love neice, it's your home so they're your rules....right them up and pop them on the wall somewhere...I did that wen we had borders because I was to woosey to state things etc.  and it worked pretty well, I also put a copy on their bed side table .....so there was no excuse, and if he says, what this, then you say, they're the house rules, I thought it would save a lot of time making you aware of them from the start rather tan me correcting you if you do something that doesn't work in my house..........sounds reasonable yes?

Hide all your painting stuff (if you have no shed shove it in your ceiling cavity through the man hole.....he has no money to buy any painting stuff so don't give him access to any...thats that problem solved.  Explain to your daughter that Uncle_________  isn't feeling very well and if he seems a bit grumpy then thats why.  Tell her to be very polite to him and use her good manners but don't get upset, if she has any questins about what he says come to you and talk about it and you'll sort it out....thats all you can do there I reckon.

ing his old work collegues and let them know whats going on, someone with some counselling experience might be able to drop in for a cuppa and help begin to sort him out and or at least give him a face saving way to receive the unemployment or dissability benefits he is intitled to after years of paying his taxes.

If he brings it up I would gently mention that their is no pride in failing to pay your bills (what ever he is in debt for)....surely, the bank ruptcy laws are in place for a reason and if they are needed then he has the option of begining again in the future with a clean slate (sort of), rather than being hounded by debt collectors etc.

Pride is a funny thing, it is good if it is pride in your appearance, your home, your children etc. but can be a double edged sword when it is used as an excuse to cover up for what may be a personal embarrasment...............some how you need to subtly get him to change his perspective in this attitude and you'd be the better judge on how best to do that seeings you know him.

If he worked there for a lng time, is he not entitled to a pension or something?   I would contact his old boss, see what they can do, surely they will care enugh about him to be able to offer you some advice at least.

I would take him in (make a deal with your Mum, a week with you, a week with her, so'it doesn't get to much for either one of you.  Oh and give him soemthing to do...weed the garden..walk the dog...as they say, excercise is a good step in relieving depression and he sounds as though he does want to help...giving him specific tasks (and specifically how you want it done) might actually help you out adn help him come out of his gloom.

I wish you and your Mum and your daughter and your Uncle all the best....xo



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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!
I know it is a tough situation, and I see that someone has already given you the link to beyond blue - definitely look into it and if you can speak to someone and get advice do it.

I notice that you are talking about all the problems involved in having him, and worried about what might go wrong.  He might surprise you, he is miserable and pretty much down and out at the moment - and the change of scenery could help him a lot.  Be compassionate, and if it is a week of your whole life that you are inconvenienced, then so be it.  When you look at it, it is only about 2% of the year, and there have been and will be many years in your life.  Make a decision that will make you look back without guilt, and make the best of it.

Don't be too ready to lay down ground rules, what and see what happens, and treat any event if and when it does.  Good luck, and best wishes with it.


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Ngairi
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Ngairi
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!
Does he have any friends that you could get in touch with to have a talk to him? Also maybe contact where he used to work at Centrelink they may be able to suggest something for you to do. Other than that, I think that the suggestions of beyond blue and ringing a few support lines could be the answer for you. Leisa


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lightbee
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | lightbee
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!

This sounds like a terribly hard situation for you. My advice would be to see if you can speak with a counsellor about how to broach these issues with him.   Ideally your uncle should get some help himself, but you can't make other people do things.  But if he's going to live with you, or even stay with you for extended periods, then you need support.  I know I couldn't do it on my own, and I don't recommend you do either.

This is a huge thing to take on, so don't be afraid to ask for help yourself.  Don't be caught up in the false pride thing your uncle is, otherwise you'll be dragged down with him.

I hope things work out well. *hugs*



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luckyone
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | luckyone
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!

its sounds  like your dad needs help  , try and get him counselling if u can  .Its help him work threw his depression .If hes suicidal    i been keeping a eye on him as once they  start thinking that  its on there mine and anyone talking about or watching with sucide in it can triger him off  the thoughts of doing it.

I don't mine to srace u but my ex was like that and doc said thats how its happenes . I would ring a counselling line or see your own doc to see how you might get him help or see his doctor and explain what going on with your dad.

best of luck with one as it be hard on you and your family as well as your mum.



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vikkianderson
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | vikkianderson
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!
Sounds like a very serious and tense situation. Is there a respite centre near where your Mum lives. There may be some help in that direction. Also have a look at the beyond blue website - www.beyondblue.org.au. This is a website that helps people understand depression etc and may be able to give you direction on how to deal with this situation. It obviously cannot go on this way and tho your Uncle sounds like a top bloke he needs help now and he needs family to support him and help him thru this. As a person who has suffered from depression all her adult life I really feel for you and your family. It is not an easy road but with the right help and support and a bit of time I'm sure you Uncle will heal. Hang in there and good luck with it all.


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lexiw
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | lexiw
Re: Not parenting but please, please give some advice!

hmmm very hard situation. Counselling is what your uncle needs but I am unsure whether you can get him to do that. I don't know that I can help very much but I would suggest telling him the truth calmly and rationally. If he becomes suicdal again then I think the best thing to do is call the police to have him admitted to somewhere he can get help. He sound like a great man he just really needs some help and beyond blue may give you some ideas as well as the deal with depressed people all the time that is in australia anyway.

I hope all works out ok

 Lexi xxx



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