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iamadelight2001
iamadelight2001 | July 2007

The Father

Hey everyone, hope everyone is doing good.  I have a question about the father of my unborn twins.  He now lives in Idaho and has told me that he wants to be involved but will not help support these babies. I don't know if I want him involved with MY BABIES.  Part of being a dad is to help raise them and he doesn't want to.  he wants to be able to come and go as he wants but wants them to call me daddy.  I do not want him to have any contact with my children.   He also thinks that I need to give the babies his last name and I disagree, they live with me and I am raising them I feel that they should  have my last name.  We are not married nor will we ever be married.  Am I a bad person for feeling this was, I am I wrong for feeling this way.  I could see he point if he was send money to me or something but is has made is clear that he will not send money to me or things for the babies.  What do you all think I should do or not do?

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niclay6
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | niclay6
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First thing you must do is get a sole custody agreement set up. (Legal Aid can help you with this) As with out a legal document the father can take them at any stage and there is little you can do to stop him. Once you explain your situation to legal aid they can help you with all your access and child support issues as well. My main advice is to start on this as soon as possible as it will take alot of the pressure of you and give you the security you will need. Dont think he will never do it because people changed and situations do too. He may not have any interest in your twins now but thats not to say when they are a little older he will still feel the same. Also by having the agreement in place legal aid will document all child support payments (or lack of payments in his case) which will be solid evidence in your favour should he ever decide to take you to court in the future. Finally I wish you all the best with your babies and hope they are both healthy and a source of great joy and happiness for you. And of course the babies can have your last name. Tell him you cant have your cake and eat it too. If he does not want to do the job of a father then he cant take the rewards of being a father. Bye



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toosh
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | toosh
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I think you have every right to feel this way & do this! Give them your name & tell him he can't just walk in and out of their lives as he pleases! This would be very bad and confusing for them! You are doing the right thing to protect your children. Saying that it is good that you are willing to tell them about their father as one day they will ask and need to know. Then it is up to them, and him, what happens next. Well done & good luck!


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lonely28
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | lonely28
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Hey there,
                   Gracie's sperm donor made the decision to run out of the delivery room whilst I was giving birth so he pretty much showed me how much he didn't want to be involved. He has seen her once when she was 4 days old and that is that. He never once paid child support or offered any other kind of support and while this is going to sound really nasty, it's the best thing he could of ever done. Sure I get the questions (where is dad? etc) and I answer them as honestly as 7 year old can handle. I do believe that a child has right to know each parent but all the factors need to be taken into consideration. I mean, I could of put his name on the birth certificate but he was refusing to do it, I could of gone to court (glad I didn't), I could of done things differently. You can only do what you feel is best for you and the twins. I'm fairly certain that gracie is going to go through hating me for not having her dad here, she's going to resent me for not finding him etc. I made the decision that if she wants to find him she can, only when she is legally allowed to. I never ever speak down about him infront of her nor do I make him into something he's not.

Hunni, if you don't want his name on the birth certficate etc than don't do it. No matter what anyone says the decision is yours and if you feel that he's not offering what you know the twins are going to need than do what you feel is right. This is only my opinion but he doesn't sound like the most responsible fellow. It appears he wants all the fun side of parenting and not the responsibilty of being one. Again, only my opinion.

Take care and let me know how you go,

fi xoxoxo


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AZMom
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | AZMom
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I think it is understandable that  you feel this way, but ask yourself honestly, is the reason due to your relationship? If so, think about the possible consequences. What happens when the twins are older? There is a possibility the twins may become resentful towards you for not having their father around, a close friend of mine went through something similar. The father has rights, and so do you. Take him to court if need be for the child support payments. I hope for the twins sake you can sort something out with their father which suits you both. Good luck !


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scutts
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | scutts
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If he can not give financal support, then how is going to be able to give emotinal support?

Children need a father as a role modle who is their to support them not a part time one who swans in and out as he pleases, this basicly tells the child that it is ok to not take responserbility for your actions.

It will mess your children up if you let him be involved,only as much as he wants, they are his babies too if he wants to be there he should have to commit to you first, otherwise you and your children will be hanging on to what he is doing all the time. Your babies deserve better than that



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rockclimbr4400
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | rockclimbr4400
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I think that if he doesn't want to help financially, he should not be around. You can't just visit and not help at all, he is being lazy, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Give them your last name and don't involve him in any of the decisions, maybe then he will think twice about not wanting to help.


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sanersti
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | sanersti
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I walked out on my eldest daughter's father when I was 12 weeks pregnant, he is not on her birth certificate, and she has my maiden name as her surname (but uses my married name as an assumed name).  Her biological father surfaced when she was around 12 months old.  I then made probably the hardest decision that I have ever had to make as a parent (well so far!) Whether or not to allow him into my daughter's life.  I decided that I would.

Why?  Because I had seen friends that had grown up not knowing who their fathers were, or not being allowed to see their fathers, and the damage that it caused to them personally and in their relationships with their mothers is something that I never wanted to put my daughter through.

My parents separated before I was 4, and I grew up with my dad.  To give him his credit, he never once ran my mother down in front of me.  My grandmother on the other hand was the exact opposite and took every opportunity (and still does to this day!) to run her down, and guess what? All it did was strengthen my resolve to see my mum.  So for that reason, I never run off at the mouth about my daughters biological father (well not in front of her anyway LOL!)

No you are not wrong feeling the way that you do, it is instinctual to want to protect your children, but just because the relationship between you and the father of your babies hasn't worked, doesn't automatically give you the right to deny your children the chance to know their father and to decide for themselves as they grow, just what their feelings are towards him.

My daughter is now 11, and no longer sees her father, but this was her decision not mine, because she grew up knowing him, she knows that she is not missing much, whereas if I had denied her the opportunity to know him, she would have built fantasies about him, and if and when she found him, would have had her fantasies and her heart shattered, which would have been far more damaging to her than swallowing my pride (and my anger) to allow him to see her ever damaged me.

Hugs.



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      monarogirl
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | monarogirl
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This comment is so well written and I have to agree with you. While it is hard for the adult, kids figure out things pretty quickly.

How does he think that he can be involved but not be of any help??? I would be giving them your surname as It sounds like his "involvement" will probably be short-lived.

Good luck.


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           toosh
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | toosh
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Couldn't have put it better myself!


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HarrisonsMommy
4.29 (Good) | July 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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I honestly think that it should be his name on the birth cert.  If he is their father, then it should be acknowledged.  You also have a legal leg to stand on when it comes to support.  If he chooses not to be supportive (either financially or emotionally), then that is his choice, although the courts can make him pay child support.  And of course they are his kids and he should be responsible for them financially. 

It is important for children to know both their parents.  Even if the two of you cannot be together.  They aren't just your children.  I don't know how you got to where you are but no matter what water under the bridge, he will always be their father. 

Now, that being said, you don't want someone who is going to come in and out of their lives.  It will be too disruptive, for them and for you.  And it sounds to me like you live in two different states.  My suggestion is to make him pay child support.  It is likely that he won't even make the effort to come around.

I know this seems a bit harsh but I think your children have a right to know their father despite the ending of your relationship.

Good luck and best wishes.
Angela



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      iamadelight2001
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | iamadelight2001
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thank you for your advice and I see and understand what you are saying but I didn't say that the babies would not know their father.  I have no problems when they start asking about him to tell my children about there father.  I have found it to be more confussing for the children to have one last name and the mom to have another.  I will never talk bad about there father in front of them, my mom didn't do that about my father.  So anyways thanks again I will keep what you said in mind. 


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      MummaBear
3.75 (Good) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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That is very harsh.  Do you think I'm terrible for not putting my daughter's father on the birth certificate and for giving her my last name? You don't know any circumstances and why should the children have a different last name from the parent they live with? Fair enough if they had joint custody or something, but no way would I have even for a moment considered giving my daughter her father's last name!!!!!  That just would never have happened, she lives with me, I am her mother, I am her parent, I am the one who is raising her, paying her bills, she is on my Medicare Card, my pension card, I pay her childcare fees and I will be the one to put her through school! She will have my last name.  Her father is not going to take the credit just because they shared a last name, when I was the one who put in the hard yards and did it all without him. Think what you like, but she deserves better than to have anything to do with him.  I'm honest, she knows who he is, she doesn't know everything of course as it is too much for a 3 year old to take in.  Sorry, that just really got to me saying that he must be on the birth certificate.  I don't get child support, I don't want child support, it's more hassle then it's worth emotionally.  As far as I'm concerned, she is just my child as he has not had anything to do with her.  He can't be acknowledged as her father if she doesn't even know him.  He had the chance, he blew it.  I'm not going to push and I tell her to forget him she has lots of other people who love and care for her.  I don't want his money! I can make my own money!


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           HarrisonsMommy
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | HarrisonsMommy
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Slow down MummaBear.  Firstly, no I don't think you terrible for not putting her father down on her birth certificate or for giving her your last name.  Just because the father is on the birth certificate doesn't mean she has to have that same surname. 

But iamadelight2001 asked for advice and I am sharing mine.  What you did may be for good reason, and may be totally different than hers.  So please don't get upset with me for offering my advice when it was asked for.

What you have chosen to do in your life and your daughters is your choice, I doubt you asked anyone for advice on what to do.  It is just my opinion that a child should know his/her parents.  Of course, there are circumstances where it isn't appropriate or possible.

It wasn't my intention to upset you or anyone else, sorry you feel this way.

Angela



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                MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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Although I never had to go through it myself, I know through my child care career that quite a few mums have said they put the fathers name on the birth certificate and the child automatically had the fathers last name, then they had to apply through courts to have it changed.  That has only been said in the last couple of years since returning to work and I'd never heard of it before then.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what some of the mums have said it seems like putting the dad on the birth certificate means giving the child his last name.  I live in Australia, maybe it's different where you live.  That's why I took offence to it.  He was never even asked if he could put his name on the birth certificate.  I couldn't have done it myself without his permission and I didn't ask his permission.


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luckyone
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | luckyone
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Hi , you don't have to the fathers names on the bc at all you put your last name down it , that way he has no rights  in what goes on in your kids life .In saying  that i have to agree with chello72 on this its important to lets the kids  see there father , no matter how painful it might be or what you may think of this person .

the kids have right to know there father  and in the long run when the kids get older they we see what he is really like for themself , i also never put him down  in front  of  the kids either , its best left un said .

In  the long run its  up you to made the choice  in the way go in this matter but which ever way you turn i hope things goses good for  u and  bub

julie



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Alaksuleiel
July 2007 | Alaksuleiel
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My older daughter has my maiden name. Her dad made noise about being there for her, then after she was born he denied she was his, so she has my surname :) I only allowed him to see her after he started paying child support a couple of years later.


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cheleinkal
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | cheleinkal
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If you put Father unknown on their birth certs then he is unlikely to have a leg to stand on unless he wants to go all the trouble and expense of a paternity suit and custody hearings.

tell him you don't want him in their lives as an aquaintance....they deserve a real father or you're capable of being both.  Anyone can be a sperm donah it takes a lot of work, heart ache, tears, triumphs and joy to earn the right to be a Dad.

be honest with your twins when and if they ask about him in their future and let them make up their own minds when the time comes, but good on you for taking on this monumental life changing challenge all on your own..........................Who needs him...not you and not your babies.



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MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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My daughter's father doesn't see her, doesn't help out with finances, doesn't have anything to do with her.  She has my last name, I didn't even give him a choice with that. He is not on the birth certificate, he has no rights with her and that's how I like it.  I make all the decisions and yes it's tough on your own, but it's tougher if you have to conform and fit in with another person that you don't even get along with.


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emmie
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | emmie
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you are not bad and not or wrong its either all or nothing my step daughters mother sees and talks to her when it pleases her and its no good for the child kylie now refuses to speak to her mother follow your heart .


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chello72
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | chello72
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Hi,

I know where your coming from, Although my ex sends money every month for our boys, I cannot get him to help me with the day to day things that boys need. He NEVER show any interest in ANYTHING the do, whether it be schooling to sports etc.

However the one piece of advice I can give you is this.  It is not up to you to decide whether the twins know thier father or not. Every child has a right to have a relationship with thier father. As much as it pains me to say goodbye to my boys every second weekend I know they love thier Dad.

Know this, One day your children will see thier father for who he is, one day they will know everything you have done for them, you can hold your head up high because your children will see what a fantastic mum you were. They will love you all the more when they realise that you did everything you could to let them know thier Dad and the sacrifices you made in allowing them to love him.

Believe me it is hard and many many times I have wanted to stop him from seeing thier Dad. The one thing that stops me is the thought of how I would feel if I did that and they came to me years later and blamed me for not knowing thier Dad. If you allow him to see his children and he chooses not to, thenin years to come he will have to face the consequences when his children come looking for answers.

Good luck with your babies. They are are beautiful gift.



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      iamadelight2001
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | iamadelight2001
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that is fine if he was in the same state and he help out with child support, he doesn't and he has made it clear that he is not going to send money to help support my Children.  That is why Iam having a hard time figuring this out.  I think it would be different if he wanted to be a real dad, but he doesn't.  He wants to come around when he wants and see them.  Thats it, 


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natelz1
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | natelz1
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 What a pig.MALES SOMETIME HONESTLY!

I say all or nothing. If he is determained to just have a come and go relationship i say stuff him, change youyr number. you dont need that and your babies dont need to be confused about some guy they are supposed to call dad once a year or something. good luck to you and i hope i dont offend, just my opinion, i have a friend who was in  a very similar situation, after much heartache and hurt she told him to bugger off and she hasnt been happier.



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      iamadelight2001
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | iamadelight2001
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I think thats what I am going to have to do becuase I only have 3 to 4 months before these babies are here and I do not want him to have anythng to do with them or even know about them. 


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lisasmith140483
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | lisasmith140483
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hi honey i think its absolutly right what you are thinking, its not fair on the children to have a father that walks in and out ( trust me ) you need to do what is right for your children and that is to protect them, if he wants to be 100% involved then fantastic but i think it should be all or nothing, you follow your heart and what feels right to you, and you will generally be the right decision for you and your precious babies!! much love and good luck..


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      iamadelight2001
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | iamadelight2001
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thats sounds great but what do I do about him calling all the time?


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           lisasmith140483
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | lisasmith140483
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i think and remember this is only my opinion that you need to talk to him nice and calm and just tell him how unfair it is on the children to have a part time dad and its all or nothing and if he doesn't understand then ignore him..  just be consistant on what you feeling and don't back down and eventually he will get the idea, you never know the novelty might wear off and he may just go away, i hope you find some resolution to this that suits everyone... xoxox


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