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MummaBear | July 2007

First Aid and CPR in Childcare

Do you think that these should be compulsory for childcare workers? I ask this because many of you may not be aware that they are NOT compulsorty for childcare workers to hold.  When I first signed up to ABC Learning they promised free First Aid and CPR to all their workers.  Now they won't pay for it and we had to do it ourselves.  Me personally, I would never be without them whether I was working in childcare or a stay at home mum, things can and do go wrong.  A workmate of mine is refusing to get hers out of principle because she signed an agreement with ABC saying it would be paid for by them and they've gone back on it.  Their reason for this is that it's not a requirement for workers to hold First Aid or CPR certificates.  I just want to know what other parents thought? Are you aware of how many workers have one where your children go? The worker I'm referring to is in a room by herself with her group of kids and is still refusing to get it.  She also takes the Schoolies out of the centre on vacation care excursions some of the time, and still will not get it.  Do you as parents feel it should be compulsory for all workers or do you feel it's ok for only 3 workers in the building to have it?

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Brian49
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Brian49
Re: First Aid and CPR in Childcare
Yes i think so because when my wife used to daycare she had to have a firstaid cert. before they would let her do it. I also had to have one as well because on my days off work i would be helping her daycare as well as look after our own children. I also think its agood idea for parents to obtain one as well so if anything happens to there own children they know what to do.


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August88
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | August88
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By the way if you haven't done CPR within the last 12 months it is worth doing now. It has all changed to the 30-2 rule. That is 30 compressions to 2 breaths for adults children and babies which makes it so much easier to remember and they also have DRABCD, the last D being for defibrilation as this is the only thing that will get the heart pumping once it has stopped. These are in all ambulances and heaps of shopping centres and buildings in the city and will soon be in all child care centres.


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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I did mine in June so I can claim it back straight away and not have to til tax time next year lol.  CPR is done every year, First Aid is every 3 years.  I did the First Aid and CPR last year so only had to do CPR this year, it was $35 so not too bad.  It was the 30-2 rule last year too.


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August88
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | August88
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I thought it was compulsory as I just did mine for $100 with the red cross. I have to pay for my own as I work for myself as well as my own public liability insurance every year and soon it will be compulsory to have cert. 3 in child care too which you must pay for yourself and take time off work to do practical in a centre but it is all tax deductible. I would definately not look after anyones kids without it. I think your public liability will not cover you if you haven't got it. You now need a working with children check too.


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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The Blue Card (police check) has been compulsory for a number of years now.  For family daycare you have to have it.  The First Aid and CPR are tax deductible but not compulsory, I've just renewed my CPR for $35 but not due for First Aid yet.  Because there are other people in the building to call on that's why only 3 people have to have it, and only 1 of these are allowed to be offsite at any given time.  Any study we do with childcare isn't tax deductable though as far as I'm aware.



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           violeta
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | violeta
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I am sure that everything or every study that is connected with your work is deductable. My husband workes in the age care (but he was socialworker before) and does a lot of trainig and study and it is all deductable.


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mum2EandJ
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mum2EandJ
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Thats really bad!!

If i found out my child was being looked after by someone who had no first aid certs, they would no longer be going to that centre. Especially if they were going on 'out of care' excursions and she was the only one supervising!!! 



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mummytobumpno1
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mummytobumpno1
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Well,as you know i am a childcare worker and when i first joined they gave childcare courses which only cost $5. It was fun but i don't think i really use them that much as i know all about taking band-aids on and stuff but otherwise nothing else i used it for.


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      mum2EandJ
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mum2EandJ
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I dont get what ur trying to say


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           violeta
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | violeta
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first aid its not just about band aid its about cpr, burns, insect bites, broken arm and legs, allergics, choking, seizures poisoning all of which can relate to kids. so yeah everyone that works with people expecialy kids shoud know that. (by that I mean everyone that workes in the health, sport industry including teachers and child care providers)


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                mum2EandJ
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mum2EandJ
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I dont get what a $5 child care course has to do with first aid and CPR



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                     MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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I'm not due for First Aid for another 2 years as I did it last year, but the CPR (which is yearly) just cost me $35.  When I did First Aid and CPR last year it cost me $105.  I'm not sure how it can be done for $5 unless the centre pays a certain amount and staff pay the gap.



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violeta
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | violeta
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I worked as a personal carer with DHS and I know for a fact that we had to have a first aid and CPR wit our aplication form when we aplied for a job. Than we had regular cpr training. It was all paid for by DHS or Tax dedactable. If she refuses to do it on the grounds that it was part of the deal or whatever she is doing the wrong thing no metter what they promised (I am not taking their side as I hate ABC) she is putting so many children at risk by not knowing what to do. It is all work related expences and can be don on the tax so I dont get it.


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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I think it's stupid too because it's still tax deductable.  But I think it should be a legal requirement for anyone working with children to have to hold one.  It only changed some time after March of this year because it was a requirement in March when I started working there.


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llmunchkin
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | llmunchkin
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Yes I think it should be compulsary - my mum did home care and it was necessary for her to have it.  Thanks for bringing this to my attention - I will be checking our centre's policy on such things.  You do just kind of presume, now I feel rather silly for not checking.


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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Also we are in charge of a group of children.  Often times a Group Leader is alone with a group of kids.  We are responsible for their health and safety and it is our job to look after and care for them, and to me that includes administering First Aid if necessary.  I'm taking this to the Head of Education at the University to see if she can do anything about it.  She may not be able to get the company to pay for it, but hopefully she can make moves to make it a legal requirement for a person to hold those certificates in order to be Group Leader.  Maybe not as an assistant since they are not alone with the kids anyway but definately Group Leaders should have these.


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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I work in the industry and it wasn't until they went back on a signed deal (quite legal under these new legislations that have taken workers back to the dark ages) that I even questioned it because you would think as a parent or as a worker that all childcare workers would have to have first aid and CPR just like they must have a Blue Card.  I didn't mind paying for it, but to say we don't need it blew me away!  You can claim it back on tax so I really don't see what the big deal is.  When I first went back to work and had the expenses of uniforms as well as first aid and cpr I got that Centrelink loan to pay for those things.


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cazza
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | cazza
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i think that all childcarers should have a certificate in first aid, but i also think that if the centre is saying that there funds can only pay for only 3 workers. well i dont see it being a issue.....

My chloe attends numerous centres and they have in house first aid courses and we all as workers, and non workers had to pay a small fee, if there wasnt sufficient money in the kitty...



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Ngairi
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | Ngairi
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This is a big one for me. Yes I beleive that anyone who works in any sort of child care, be it babysitting, child care, teacher or parent, should take a basic first aid course and keep it renewed. The amount of people that don't know simple first aid is beyond my comprehension.

Leisa



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tdv
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | tdv
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Yes, I am a firm believer that any person in the care of children should have a first aid certificate.  I always thought it was compulsory.  I am a teacher and this year I took maternity leave but before I had bubs I chose to do relief work at my school my first aid certificate was due and there was no way they would let me teach if I did not update it.  They also paid for it.  Their is a special course you do that is designed for teachers (not sure about child care workers?) I think it is pathetic that a co worker is refusing to do it on principle.  How horrible would she feel if something happened to one of the kids she was taking care of and she didn't know what to do.  So selfish! How do you know it is not a requirement? I would be ringing the board of directors the ones in charge of child care workers and reporting it.

If I were you I would re-read my contract.  Also I would never let my child be in the care of someone that did not have any first aid training. 



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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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I know because we took it to the union, we spoke to the Director (who is equally pissed off about it), the area manager, the state manager and some dude from Sydney who explained that as it's no longer compulsory, ABC are no longer willing to pay for it.  That's all the people I've spoken to.  I also spoke to my daughter's Director, she is with a different company, and she said that it isn't a requirement anymore however the company still pays for their staff to do the First Aid, CPR, and Food Handlers and any staff not willing to do these will no longer be contact staff, they will be taken out of the rooms.  But she did say that it's changed this year and they are still trying to fight it as we are responsible for the care and wellbeing of people's children, these children are their lives and we cannot let anything happen to them or we need to know what to do if something does happen with them. I think it's stupid for anyone not to have it whether they are in childcare or stay at home mums because I would never forgive myself if something happened at home and I didn't know what to do.


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mumofjtcb
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mumofjtcb
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When i did my Vocational Education and Training certificate 2 in Childrens Services we did First Aid which was compulsory. We paid for it but it was part of the course (which went for a full year)

When I did my certificate 3 we did a refresher because it was compulsory. So I really dont know what to say to this but im MY state when you do your courses for Child Care it is compulsory to do it.


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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It was compulsory here also when I signed the forms in March, but in June when they held a course that some of us were to attend it was no longer compulsory to hold first aid or CPR so they were no longer paying for it.  We can still claim it back on tax as it's still what we do for work but it's only compulsory for 3 workers in a building to have it.  I live in QLD and this has come from everyone I've spoken to and the Unions can't do anything about it either.  2 of us still got ours as we can claim it back when we do our taxes, but one didn't as she had signed an agreement to say it would be paid for.


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           mumofjtcb
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mumofjtcb
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wow. yes it was a few years ago when I completed my certificates. It isn't so bad as long as they have some workers with it. And if there has to be 3 then I would probably be happy with that because most centres only have 3 groups... babies, preschool and kinda age.


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                MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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All the centres I have worked in have Nursery, Toddler, Junior Kindy, Senior Kindy, Preschool, School age.  Some haven't had Nursery and some don't have School age but they all have the Toddler, Junior Kindy, Senior Kindy and Preschool and either Schoolies or Nursery.  And the Director who isn't in a room is one of the ones who must have it.


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                     mumofjtcb
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | mumofjtcb
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REALLY!!!!! OMG that is heaps. The 6 I have worked in have had 0-1 room (baby) 1-2 (preschool and some call them pretoddler)  and 3-4 (prekinda). We have never had a child over 4 because all the 5 year olds are in prep/reception in school. Maybe something to do with different states?


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                          jenaya04
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | jenaya04
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Yep, same here too. Both of the centres my daughter went to only had the three rooms and that was from babies right thru to kindy kids. I will have to question my director about how many have their certificates!


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                          MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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Ours are Nursery: 6 weeks to 15 months; Toddler: 15 months to 2; Junior Kindy: 2-3; Senior Kindy: 3-4; Preschool: 4-6 (if not in school yet); School age care: 4-12 years (if started school)  Some centres don't have Nursery, dome don't have Schoolies, but all of them have at least one and most go right through from Nursery to School age.


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toosh
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | toosh
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I definetly believe this should be a requirement for anyone that works with children! It is ridiculous that it isn't! As for your centre going back on their word - if it is in a signed agreement they have to do it! My children do not attend childcare, but if they did I wouldn't be sending them unless ALL workers had it!


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      MummaBear
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | MummaBear
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They went back on the agreement by saying it was a requirement and isn't anymore.  At the bottom of the agreement it states that these things are subject to change so I don't know why we have to sign in the first place!  They can also, under the new workchoice agreement forced upon us by the Howard Govt, offer it to one worker and not another even if they are holding the same position within the centre.  It all sucks, but legally only 3 people (the Director, Assistant Director, and one other) must hold their First Aid and CPR for the centre to be run.  We all have it at our centre except the one who won't get it out of principle.  I think it's stupid not to have it whether it's a requirement or not, she's a mother and as a mother I would want it regardless of my work status. But that's her choice, her husband has said he's not paying for something that was part of an agreement, and what gets me is that if she got when we did, in June, she could have claimed it back on her tax straight away.  But I am still getting over the fact that not everyone has to hold one. I have asked about it where my daugther goes and they run the training at the centre twice a year and pay for it, also run and pay for Food Handlers' Certificates courses that all workers must have as they provide a cooked meal for the kids there.


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           toosh
5.00 (Excellent) | July 2007 | toosh
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This is terrible! Honestly what is the world coming to!



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