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  anonymous | October 2007

kids fighting HELP!!!

Ok some of you might guess who this is but im going anon anyway my problem is i have 2 children child 1 being nearly 4 and a half and child 2 being 16 months child 1 has been hurting child 2 only pushing pulling hair pushing over small things until today child 1 came to me and said child 2's neck was red as rushing to her i asked what happened all we got for 2 hours was sorry child 2 was injured there was a red mark with white around and child 1 actually drew blood after finally getting out of child 1 that she had pinched her chest and we got over the ive said sorry child1's excuse for this behaviour was because child 1 wanted to

so what my question is here is do u think this is normal behaviour/not

thanks to all those that answer

 



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Kristen
October 2007 | Kristen
Re: kids fighting HELP!!!
It's very normal but that doesn't mean that you have to allow it.  My older one is 2 years older than his baby brother and when he doesn't get enough sleep, he starts to get mean.  His baby brother is too young to defend himself so I am VERY careful to make sure that he doesn't get hurt.  I just separate them and then the older one goes in timeout if he has been hurtful.  I think sometimes my husband thinks I baby the baby too much (he's almost 9 months old) but I figure we still have a ways to go before he can defend himself. 


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Alaksuleiel
October 2007 | Alaksuleiel
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It IS normal behaviour, though talking to child 2 about it won't work at this stage because they're too young, I have a bigger gap so I haven't had to go through this with my kids.
  The best you can do is to firmly make child one realise that hurting people in general is not on and that it makes you sad (this worked with my elder child when she used to hurt her friends). Not siblings I know, but they may as well have been!


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      Childcare-by-Design
3.00 (Average) | October 2007 | Childcare-by-Design
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Interesting comment, Alaksuleiel. Children fighting in this way may well be considered normal but it is UNDESIRABLE, and it would be irresponsible for a parent not to try to change this. Let's look at how this behaviour would be viewed in another setting. NO parent collecting their child from a childcare centre would accept staff telling them it is normal for a child of any age to hurt their child let alone an older child!

Parents talking and explaining issues to children of any age (even babies) is very important. Talking to a child who kicks their legs and reaches for the spoon with yoghurt on it "Hmmm, you are enjoying your yoghurt today. You like strawberrries". or "Oh, that's different. You don't know what to think of that taste, do you?" to an infant who has been given pureed pumpkin for the first time and has grimaced. Saying to a young child as you pass him/her to grandma "Grandma wants to cuddle you now. She loves you so much."  Children may not not understand all of the words but they do pick up on the voice and facial expressions, and that is one of the ways they learn. Only yesterday, I heard a young mother talking to her 2 year old. The child screamed when the mother took her car keys off her. The mother responded--very quietly and gently--"We don't shout at each other, we talk nicely. I can't let you play with the car keys , but you can play with ..." 

Talking to children does work, and it develops their ability to listen and understand. 



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           etcircus
October 2007 | etcircus
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Very well put Childcare by Design. I think you made an important point here about the undesirable behaviour. It doesn't really matter if it's 'normal' or not. It is whether or not the behaviour is acceptable. I also agree with talking to your baby. I used to think parents that did that were nuts :) but now I realise how good it is for the baby.



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Childcare-by-Design
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | Childcare-by-Design
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Help is on its way!!!

It is not unusual for siblings to fight (for whatever reason ), and some parents might even say it is not unusual for siblings to physically hurt each other. However, your older child is presumably bigger and stronger than your younger child and, as you have seen in this instance, can hurt your physically considerably. Even children of the same age and size can really hurt one aother if they use unacceptable means to solve their problems. 

Bring the two children together. Tell them that every one has a right to be safe at all times. Set simple rules such as 1. Only use kind words 2. Use words not actions 3. Keep your hands and feet to yourself . Write these rules up and put them where the girls can see easily see them. You might like to stick a picture or photograph (or even a drawing) to illustrate the behaviour that you want. Of course, you will write these words in your own way. Just make them brief and positive (eg use kind words rather than don't swear).

When a child breaks one of these rules, and that will happen. Quietly and definitively say to the child. I cannot allow you to --speak to x in this way/ hurt x in this way. Remember our rules or have you forgotten our rules?  Let's see what they say. Read the relevant rule to/with the child pointing to each word and the picture. If the child starts to say, she did this to me first or something of that nature, tell her that you will speak to the sister in a moment, but you are talking to her about what she has done first. The important part is to deal with the child in a calm and no-accusatory way. Suggest what she could do next time something like this arises. 

Finally, taking the time to help your children learn the social skills they need to play happily together is rewarding. You might think a four and a two year old are too young to talk to in this way. I can assure you that you will be  pleasantly surprised. Add a little bit of adult modelling and . . .

 



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Arna
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | Arna
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Uh, you are not alone.  It is normal behaviour and it is about who is the boss of the house.  They do grow out of it, and back into it and out...you get the point.  Sibling rivalry happens in every household and takes many forms.  This, sad to say, is one of the most common.  And Child 1's response is normal too.  They could be bored or just a bossy britches.  As for help, let me know when you find something that works! lol.


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Ngairi
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | Ngairi
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Perfectly normal, just wait til the younger can get back at the older one. Then it will start in earnest. My 3 fight like it is world war 3 sometimes, and yes they do get hurt. However, they are just showing their frustrations over things and sometimes get carried away, which is when we step in. I used to make a big deal with spending time with the one that got hurt etc, but found this actually made the situation worse, as the younger one (when I just had 2) would provoke the older one and slyly do things to make him react. when he reacted the younger of them would do a big crying fit etc. I caught him at it one day and my behaviour changed. Now I let them go until and if there is any major type of injuries. I just make em go outside. Leisa


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jimannakateen
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | jimannakateen
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This is normal for sibling i agree with evryone else on this. My 2 are always at each others throats and im throats. My youngest just has to touch the oldest sometimes and she cries endlessly. And then the big fight has started for the day. I can keep going on but found i have to step in by the end of the day to enforce the law. Good luck i hear it does get better.

Hugs Tee



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yummymummyof3
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | yummymummyof3
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Completely normal, I had this problem with my daughter and youngest, she was vicious towards him, I tried everything.....  What worked was this..... Firstly everytime she was horrible I paid no attention to her but gave all my love and attention to the youngest, no punishment nothing,  whenever I saw her been nice to him I would give her so much positive attention and praise, I went overboard with the praise,  I then made sure I was spending quality time with them each alone...  She soon realised been nice got her the attention she was seeking and stopped the horrible attacks.....  Goodluck x


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LisaPetrarca
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | LisaPetrarca
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I'm sorry to say that this is completely normal.  The question then is, how do you stop it?  I found a very effective way to stop the fighting.  When they fight, they BOTH get punished no matter who started it.  I would do any of the following depending on the severity of the fighting......ground them from their favorite games, tv, time out in seperate rooms and/or chairs facing the corner in separate areas of the room (they HATED this one). Then when the time was up they had to both apologize to each other (HATED this even worse!)  It worked though, they would actually tell each other to stop it because they would get in trouble.  I also got a calendar and when they were put on restriction, I marked the day that they would be off of restriction on the calendar.  That way it made me stick to the exact time and left no room for giving in and letting them off early. This is very effective as your children get older. It only takes a couple of times of following through before your threats are good enough.  Hope this helps!    



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pav
5.00 (Excellent) | October 2007 | pav
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I think it's normal. Jealousy, rivalry...
Try to spend time with each child separately, tell them this is their special time, actively play with them, talk to them, read or whatever, but just one to one, even if it is only for 10min.


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