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FremantleDocker | June 9th

Wont do as she's told

I'm at my wits end here with my 5 year old daughter. she won't do as she's told. Always runs of on me, and gets onto the playground and won't get off, and tells me to go away. She started school this term which was at the end of April.

She's always cheeky, and answers back, and she's always naughty. I've tried no tv for a day, time out corner, being grounded, and i've talked to her calmly and nicely. I don't know what else to do. I"m just so angry at her right now.



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KathrynR1402
June 11th | KathrynR1402
Re: Wont do as she's told

You've been given loads of good advice so I wont repeat it all! Just to add, my DD1 (5) became much naughtier at home once she started school. But she is also very tired from school (and from being good at school!), and as she has got more used to school her behaviour has slowly improved. If you think this may be a contributing factor, it may help to reduce her after-school activities for a term or two, to get her to bed a little earlier, or if nothing else it may help you to be more patient with her as you understand why she's being naughty? Good luck!



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nfrethem
June 10th | nfrethem
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One more thing - focus on the positive.  Tell your kids what they CAN do instead of what they CAN'T do.  If you want her to stay close to you in the parking lot, rather than saying, "Don't run off now" say, "Stay near me".  If she's standing on her chair, remind her to sit by saying, "Sitting" instead of "Don't stand", "Walking" instead of "Don't run!", "Talking softly" instead of "Stop shouting!"  Children's brains are still developing and they DO have trouble remembering what they should be doing especially if they are feeling strong emotions or are distracted by physical or environmental factors.  Another book I can recommend is Claire Cherry's "Don't Sit on the Kids" she talks about the use of gerunds and positive framing of instructions for children and gives a lot of great examples.

I caution against spanking.  You will have more success with your daughter when she is older if you teach her self-discipline early on rather than parenting through fear.  Your goal as a parent shouldn't be to get a child to behave but to teach them how to behave.  Parenting and child rearing is about raising individuals who can take care of themselves.  People who are independent and capable.  To do this, you need to find ways to show your daughter that she is capable.  Spanking never does that and often only leads to more spankings in the future or a child who will hide things from you to keep from getting in trouble.  If you view discipline as a chance to teach rather than punish you will have a better relationship with your child and more leverage when they are too big for a swat on the behind to do any good.



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      Nowhereman80
June 10th | Nowhereman80
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Come on now, there has to be boundaries and limitations what they can do and what they cannot do. Its that simple. For every wrong action there has to be consequences. You knew that when you were growing up,

What's the difference now. Yes reading books is helpful no doubt. Its states in the bible somewhere forgive me if I paraphrase it wrong; but something along the lines about sparing the rod, and spoiling the child.



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nfrethem
June 10th | nfrethem
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A book I'd really recommend is "How to talk so kids will listen and listen so your kids will talk" by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish.  It's quite excellent.  When you get frustrated and angry, it's hard to think clearly and reactions in the heat of the moment can set you up for future failures.  If she's 5 and just starting school than this is an age for her where she is pushing boundaries and figuring out where her place is in the world and her family.  She's not acting out just to make you angry, it's natural and normal for her to push her limits.  Some of her negative behaviors are probably getting big reactions from you which, if she's seeking your attention, will only reinforce those behaviors.  Make sure you are respecting her body cues (do her behaviors happen more often when she is hungry or tired?) and try to prepare for those ahead of time (don't plan activities during her nap time, bring a snack if she'll have to wait for her next meal).  Be very clear about  your expectations before an outing/event and stick to your word.  Only give choices that are actual choices, for example, when it's time to leave the playground avoid comments like, "Are you ready to go?" or "Do you want to go?"  If she's having fun, of course her answer will be no.  Give her notice at 10 min and 5 min before it is time to leave and when it is time to go be firm but give an option if you can (would you like to have a snack here at the bench before we leave or would you like to eat a different snack when we get home) or make it a game (Let's race to the car! or Let's count how many dandelions we pass on the way to bus stop! etc.)

Bottom line, no one likes being bossed around.  A 5yo who has begun school has already started to taste independence now that they're not under parental control all the time and have more peer interaction.  It's natural for her to test it at home as well.  It's your job to be firm and clear with how far that independence can go and to offer her as many choices pertaining to her life as is reasonable.



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      FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
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Thanks for recommending the book. I will definately go and find it now so i can get a better understanding of where my daughter is coming from. Thankyou.

Great advice there. Thanks.



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Nowhereman80
June 10th | Nowhereman80
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I know I am going to irritate some parents about this solution. Just good old fashion discpline. A few kind but firm swat on your princess's little bottom.

The shock of you actually showing who is the parent and who is the child will help.As being cheeky will she is still a kid. Remember discipline has to be kind, firm with love.

Otherwise you going to have a long road that is going to be rough. My sister in law has that same problem with her son and he is eight.



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      FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
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Me smacking my daughter is the last resort, and she know's when i do this, i am angry and she cries before i smack her.

She'll be good for like 5 minutes, then she turns evil again. I don't think youre being old fashioned, and you havent irritated me at all. It's your opinion and advice, and it's worked for you in the past, so i am taking it on board. Thanks again.



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      ksweatman
June 10th | ksweatman
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I agree with you!  My son who is only 2 is rather disobedient.  I have finally got control of him by using the following:  1.  I tell him if he doesn't stop the behavior he's going to get a spanking.  2.  If he continues, I then tell him he has until I count to 3.....He usually stops what he's doing by the time I get to 2.   3.  If he doesn't stop by 3, I give him 2-3 swats on the bottom.  He will usually cry for second and stops and behaves appropriately. 

The key is just being consistent.  If you say your going to do something...do it.  

It sounds though, like you have tried just about everything.  You may want to try a counselor at a school/church or psychologist.  She may have some underlying issue that is making her misbehave that she won't tell you, but will tell someone else.    Good luck to you!

Kerri



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           FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
Re: Wont do as she's told

I try to be consistent all the time. other wise i think it confuses the child and they then think they can get away with it and do it even more. thanks heaps for your great tips and comments



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Arna
June 10th | Arna
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How are your drama queen skills?  Do you think you could throw a tantrum in public?  Go on, you know you want to.  No, I'm serious, by putting her in the situation of seeing you throwing a tantrum will embarrass her and certainly get her attention.  The more public, the better, and if it is in front of her friends, then that's the best!

Just drop to the ground and kick and carry on like she would (sounds like she might be one of these kids).  She will either laugh, or be so shocked she'll behave for a while.  Oh, you might feel silly, but would be a great release of tension to!

I know what you are going through.  Our daughter (same age) is the same, except, she behaves when we are out.  She is even trying to tell us that her teacher keeps saying this and that and that we need to do as her teacher tells us.  Um, teacher's not in this house!

Did she have daycare prior to starting school?  Ours didn't and my partner says that she is rebelling like this because it is the first time our little girl has really had contact with children her own age.

If all else fails, we should get our girls together and they can have a queen of the bossy boots competition.  See who walks away first.



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      FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
Re: Wont do as she's told

First paragraph sounds brilliant. Will try this also. Can't wait to try it.

If i threw a tantrum on the ground etc, she'll probably be shocked and run over and tell me to get up mummy. So ill give that a go aswell. I'm not ashamed to do that. LOL yeah, im embarrassing. LOL

That's my daughter all over too. She's well behaved at school. Kids huh. LOL

She went to kindy since she was 2. occassional care from 2 to 3 then 3 to 5 was kindy where she was 3 mornings a week and 1 full day.

Sounds like a great idea getting our girls together. Thanks heaps Arna for this. its helped me out alot.



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Ngairi
June 10th | Ngairi
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I found with my oldest and the youngest, both extremely strong willed children, that instead of arguing or punishing, I walked away. Especially if they told me to go away, I just said "Fine cya". and walk off. They usually quickly came running. At this age, you can also explain that you don't like the behaviour and you will not talk to her or pay her attention if that is the way she wants to be. And then ignore her. It worked with mine, and still does to this day.



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      FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
Re: Wont do as she's told

I've walked away from her many of times like this, and she does come running after me, but soon as i turn around, she'll bolt the other way. Thanks heaps the great tips though.



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MrsSanders
June 10th | MrsSanders
Re: Wont do as she's told

Hmm, strong character showing itself,LOL.  I wonder if she is now old enough to start earning her merits. So rather than banning TV when naughty, she has to earn TV etc when good. Merit chart worked for Ruth when she got a little above herself. I used happy smilies for good deeds and unhappy  for naughty. We set out the rules as to what got a good smiley and what got a naughty one. Sometimes seeing the naughty ones pile up can have a positive effect. More than one naughty a day and she did not earn the right to, TV, friends to play next day or what ever you choose. If she earned only good then Ruth got a few pennies to add to her purse. Other than this I dont know, as this did work for us, so we did not have to explore further, thankgoodness.

Best Wishes. Luv Winnie.xxxx



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      FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
Re: Wont do as she's told

Thanks heaps for the great tips and ideas. Will take this on  board. will start tonight when she gets home from school.



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      Practical-Princess
June 10th | Practical-Princess
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Yes, merit/reward charts often work well. And she is old enough for them. I've always used star charts. Reward her when she gets a certain amount (determined by you) of stars, merits, whatever you use. Rewards can be anything you think suitable - a treat such as a lolly or chocolate, go to the park, take away for dinner, go to the movies, invite a friend over, etc.

Make sure you are consistent with rewards & punishments. Often we tell our kids, "if you don't behave, you won't go to...." (eg a party they're invited to, a shopping trip, etc) but it is easy to forget, or the day comes & you figure what they hay. As parents, we all do it.

Use what she loves the most as reward or punishment. For instance, my son has had behaviour problems so I use the PS2 as that is what he loves most. If he misbehaves he is not allowed on it. When he does well he is allowed. It has really helped him.

Ask her if there is something wrong at school & also talk to her teacher. She may have a problem that is upsetting her. Though kids do pick up a lot of 'wonderful' behaviour patterns once they start school as they imitate other kids!

After all this, if she is still like this in say a few months time, it might be worth taking her to a paediatrician. She may have ADHD or it could just be certain foods setting her off (keep a diary of what she eats & how she behaves afterward; have days when she doesn't have certain foods & see if it makes a difference). It may just be she's testing you, things she's picked up at school, etc, but it's probably worth checking into with paediatrician.

Aren't children just such a joy? lol. Wait til she gets to the hormonal teen stage, lol! Good luck : )



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           FremantleDocker
June 10th | FremantleDocker
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Thanks for that. I will most definately try the rewards chart. Those are great ideas on how to reward her.

Great tips there PP. i will definately do this. thankyou.



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