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  anonymous | June 14th

AUSSIE CHILD SUPPORT CHANGES FOR BETTER OR WORSE?

We have found ourselves in a bad experience with the changes to the Child Support assessment.  While we welcome the changes that are SUPPOSED to recognise care and treat both families the same, the practicalities of APPLYING their good intentions are falling a bit short.   My husbands Ex and ourselves both put the true number of nights we have my stepson which is around 80 nights a year.   Neither of us knew how the changes would affect it but of course, it has reduced the amount of child support we pay because we fall under a regular care category.   The EX now unhappy with her drop in spending money (it dropped from $10k to $6.5k) abused my husband and threatened to change everything with a phone call.  Well the EX has now withheld visitation and lodged a care dispute, which we responded to and provided calenders and diarys and letters from friends, neighbours and family who know my stepson is with us 4 of 5 weekends when he is on his 5week swing at home. CSA initially ruled that given the information we provided, they would not change their ruling, to which she has now lodged an objection claiming we fabricated our paperwork and thinks because our vague court order says she is primary carer and my husband has not met his school teacher, it proves that he is barely in his sons life.    outrageous.

We have enjoyed a close relationship with my stepson who thinks that whenever its not a school night and dad is home, he stays at dads house.  Ever since his mother received the initial changes letter he  has not been allowed to see his dad for 3 weeks in a row but after showing signs of distress was allowed 2hrs before my husband left for work for a 5 week swing.  His son has become withdrawn and sullen, not comfortable to speak or see his dad, particularly when his mother is around ie sports and the last pickup drop off.   Clearly his best interests are not being served here and it pains us greatly to see he is paying the ultimate price.  

CSA claims that if they cant decide this he said she said they will go with the vague court order which horrifies us because she is lying & could get away with it!!

We are now forced to apply to get the court order changed so that we can guarantee my stepson that he will see his father regularly when he is home and we dont rely on his mothers permission.

I want to know if anyone else has been through this or is going through it and what info they provided to prove they had visitation.  CSA  had said the best we can do is diaries but at the end of the day they don't like getting their hands dirty and putting naughty parents in their place.

any encouragement or advice, correction etc is welcome



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DarkenedAngel
June 14th | DarkenedAngel
Re: AUSSIE CHILD SUPPORT CHANGES FOR BETTER OR WORSE?

One thing that might help is if you keep a diary of handovers of the child that has to be signed by the person handing the child over as well as you at the time of handover. That way there is no way of disputing when the child is with you or not.

I think it's outrageous when any parent puts money over the real needs of a child.

I'm wondering how this will all effect me now as I'm supposed to be getting money for one through CSA but they haven't approved the claim yet - that's a long story, I'm paying for one through CSA, have an agreement plan with one that doesn't involve CSA, and getting nothing for the other and CSA isn't involved in that one either. What a complicated life I live! LOL



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champers1964
June 14th | champers1964
Re: AUSSIE CHILD SUPPORT CHANGES FOR BETTER OR WORSE?

"The EX now unhappy with her drop in spending money "

I'm sorry but this is really annoying, why do some people have the attitude that the mum spends the money?...........It is child support, money to support the children, money thats helps care for the children, buy their clothes, food, accomodation etc etc etc

I for one as the main carer for my children havent brought clothes or gone to the hairdresser in over 12 months but the father of our children still carries on about the amount of child support, he pays more in car payments than he does to support his kids. I dont blame your stepsons mother taking the only action she feels she can to battle for her sons right to be supported adequately.

Its is obvious that the mens rights lobby group is a very powerful group. I beleive that single mums need to take a stand and start to fight this injustice.

Perhaps if your partner continued to pay the previous assessed amount you could have continued with the previous arrangements. So I find it difficult to blame the tension your stepson now feels on his mum. I do agree though that his best interests are not being meet,........financially.



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      frizzle
June 14th | frizzle
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I empathise with you because as the 2nd family we do not get to go to the hairdressers even regularly , or go on an annual overseas holidays or any holiday for that matter or wear designer clothes or buy the latest toys and gadgets for the kids or the home as is the EX's lifestyle with her husband she left my husband for.  If one can afford all this and a tummy tuck and boob job working 3 days a week, well good for her.  But the attitude that the paying parent should have overnight visitation for nearly 3 months of the year but still pay 100% of the cost has always been wrong though in our case we are take the attitude that it is worth spending quality time with the child.  

In the above situ the EX is apparently lying about the number of nights her son has seen his father and now not allowed him to see his father,  who is inflicting the pain here in the childs best interests?  

In my case we have a father who has paid nearly 20% of his net take home pay for many years??  yes calculating 18% of your gross pay equals nearly 20% of your takehome pay if you do the numbers and dont have any more kids, oh but take off $40 per week if you do have another child with a new partner as is my experience.  Yes I know there are fathers that are able to hide income and fancy financial footwork but not all fathers are accountants and business people.

There are good fathers out there that do want to support their children financially and dont have a problem paying child support especially when they can see their child is provided for, but when it is gained by deception and manipulation they need to stand up for their rights as well.   Why shouldnt the costs be split between the parents?

I think this lady needs to get her husband to fix the court orders so he can see his child regularly without relying on the mother's approval and take it from there. 



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      Mumsie
June 14th | Mumsie
Re: AUSSIE CHILD SUPPORT CHANGES FOR BETTER OR WORSE?

Yes exactly,  If anyone is interested in applying to voice an opinion to the government this might be a good forum to start. 



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Mumsie
June 14th | Mumsie
Re: AUSSIE CHILD SUPPORT CHANGES FOR BETTER OR WORSE?

I'm not saying that what you are experiencing is correct or not, this new system seems to work for very little people. Most people I speak to are Mums. To be a single Mum  I have had to raise my child on my own without any assistance ,I had to stop work completly. I had spent 5 1/2 years at uni to build a career that I can no longer continue. To survive  I had to sell  a property which I had worked hard to acquire for our future but figured I had to do so, so  I could provide a home for our child because she deserved a parent who would prioritise the child first . My income droped $70 000 a year and I will not be able to earn this money until I can again work full time.  The new CSA amounts certainly have never taken into consideration my actual drop in income and the commitment I have made to our child. 

 I am not saying that your experience is easy and unfortunately people who are struggling do tend to be reactive.Could the parents actually sit down and communicate to find out why the Mother feels that this new amount is inappropriate for her. Perhaps a solution could be made without the fuss.

 



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mum2alittleboy
June 14th | mum2alittleboy
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From the other side of the fence here I know what the ex is going through. My CSA has halved because of the new assessment formula. I was very upset because as a single mum I struggle with rent/bills etc and then trying to keep my son clothed and in his regular activities and it also isn't helped by the fact that he has a medical condition that costs me on average $30 a week extra... sometimes more. I was shocked at how they figured it out. Lucky for me the father has agreed to continue to pay the same amount as before as he can see, where CSA can't, that it isn't fair and would end in hardship for his son and myself. Maybe your partner and his ex can sit down and talk about the changes and how they will effect the child and come to a personal agreement of a set amount that keeps both parties happy. In these cases unfortunately the kids are the ones that suffer because the parents are stressed and upset.



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