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TwinBoyzMa | August 24th

passive resistance?

Hello again. I am so grateful for the kind and wise support I have received here in the last 24 hours! So I am asking again, about something more specific. Here's a typical scenario:

Kids (4 1/2 y.o. boyim) are playing w/ toys. Transition time: I tell them 2 minutes until time to get dressed for school. When I try to move that along, they ignore me, talk over me to each other, interrupt with irrelevent questions (who is driving us to school today? etc.). My voice gets stern and I repeat my instructions, they make themselves limp and floppy and giggly.

I introduce consequences: get dressed now or there won't be an afterschool snack. They don't care; that's hours away. Something more immediate: the toys they're playing with will go in time out for 2 days. OK, they say, flopping ang giggling. "Stand up and do this now, or YOU will be in time out now!" sez me -- not much of a threat either because it just delays everything 4 more minutes, and they know we don't have time to spare.

If I physically get them up and move their arms to start getting jammies off & clothes on, typically they moan & whine & fling themselves to the floor: I can't do it, I am a baby, I don't want to get dressed. On Friday I marched them out to the car in jammies and flip-flops ... and they thought that was grand fun!

One thing to add: it is not just this scenario (dressing in the AM) that goes this way ... my little ghandis seem to stage sit-ins for me all day long. Some of the solutions to the above, like "no toys until dressed" and "start earlier so time is not so constrained" are very sensible and sometimes work. However, what I'd also be grateful to receive is specific suggestions for dealing with the actual sit-in, the floppy, giggly boys who are immune to consequences and totally unreseponsive.

Another important detail: they are already too big for much lifting, and growing fast, and I have a spinal problem anyway so should avoid hauling them around as much as possible. When they were lighter I could scoop them up and make immediate "time-out" an effective consequence... I CAN still do this, but need to think ahead to solutions that are not physical fights.

Anybody else have little ghandis? And how are you staying sane? THANK YOU in advance!!!



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Arna
August 24th | Arna
Re: passive resistance?

Ah yes, the 'we are going to drive you around the twist' kids.  Got 2 here as well, and it seems that while they hear me, they are not listening.

I start out with a gentle voice, pleasant and asking.  This gradually increases in volume and the tone becomes more stern.  Often, I have to end up really 'barking' at them before they will listen to me.  Maybe that is what your boys need.

Every child is different and it can take time to work out what is going to work the best.



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kseers
August 24th | kseers
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My five year old does the same things - but at least there's only one of him!  We work on the 1...2...3 system and they know if they get to 3 they are punished, so mostly we get to 2 and he will do it.  However we get days where he just doesn't want to get out of bed, doesn't want to leave the house, get dressed etc....  Some days I am stern and that works, other days I have to baby him along and that works, but I have to try and work it out and some days I get it wrong. 

When he is like this I will dress him myself (I sit on the lounge, or on the floor, slide him onto my lap and do it, so I am not picking him up) and if he even refuses to let me do that I will put him in the car in pjs and he dresses when we get there.  Sometimes I ask him what will make him get a move on - last week he wanted mummy to stay at preschool and that was good as I was down for parent help anyway, yesterday he wanted nutella toast for breakfast (a big treat) so I agreed if he got himself up and moving.  I have to play it by ear, but if I make a threat I have to act on it, otherwise he will remember and push it again the next time.

I don't know if anything I have said helps, but I know it is a lot harder with 2 as the acting up is intensified by each other, so can you tackle each one separately and talk to each one about their personal behaviour?



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annabergmanbeach
August 24th | annabergmanbeach
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If you are a two parent family, I would suggest the following. On a day that both parents are home get up and get the day started. Tell the boys in five min. we are leaving to go to the park. If they don't get dressed by themselves you will go by yourself. Don't engage with them. No arguments, discussions etc. If by the end of five minutes they are not dressed. Leave. The parent who is at home should not play with them or engage with them in any way. Just sit and watch the news perhaps, read a magazine something the boys think is boring. The at home parent might sigh once in a while and talk about how great it would be to go outside. After a while the away parent should come home and talk to the at home parent about how wonderful it was outside. Maybe eating an ice cream. Still there should be no engagement with the boys. They know what they should do. If they still have not put clothes on the other parent should leave and be out for a while. This should help. It teaches the boys that no clothes = no outside which might mean missing out on something. It does however require commitment and some preplanning. Keep a weekend free. Good luck!


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      Izzy
August 24th | Izzy
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I like your suggestion! I may use that one.



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lightbee
August 24th | lightbee
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What about taking another tack entirely and starting a reward system.  At a quiet time when you can talk with them, tell them you need their help to get dressed etc. (whatever you want them to do that they're not doing) and that each time they do what you ask without trouble, you'll give them a sticker on a chart.  Whenever they earn 5 stickers they get some sort of reward.  Make sure its something they would really like.

They're obviously smart kids, and by staging these sit-ins they're getting what they want (delaying getting dressed etc).  Maybe they'll be smart enough to work towards rewards for you.  Also, if that's working, if they start acting up again, you could take the stickers off the chart so they go backwards as well as forwards.



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KristyWatson
August 24th | KristyWatson
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I would agree with izzy if they aren't listening to options I wouldn't allow it to be discussed at all my four year old tries to have a bit of a run away and (fake) "I don't like school" she gets picked up stood in front of me and dressed with no words spoken whether she be's difficult or not. Sometimes they just need to learn when mummy speaks jump and no amount of timeout or whinging or playing is going to change what they should be doing when you say it needs to be done. If you consistently tell them two minutes, ignore them, then when two minutes is up dress them regardless of what they do with no further comment they should start to relize that nothing will work they are getting dressed. Good luck with it, parenting I find with young or older is more of a power struggle don't let them get the upper hand or your doomed lol



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Izzy
August 24th | Izzy
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My 3 1/2 year old is this way especially in the mornings when I tell him to get dressed so I can drive him to pre-school. Then again at night about eating and getting dressed, brushing teeth, etc.

What works for us most of the time is a timer. At night we lie down with him before bedtime and he used to never let us go. I say I will lie down with him for 2 minutes and then when 2 minutes is up, he doesn't want to let me go anyway. WIth a timer, I set it for 5 minutes and when it goes off that's it. It's worked wonders.

Then just yesterday we went to the county fair. He loves trains so we took him to this train exhibition tent and of course he didnt want to leave. I then asked him if he wanted to stay 1 more minute so I can set my watch, and of course he asked for 5. So then I did and when it beeped we were off. It works. :-)

So maybe using a timer would work for you too.

Another suggestion is to keep yourself from engaging. Keep a stern face and do not converse until they've done what you've asked.

Good luck.



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racechick23
August 24th | racechick23
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i used to babysit a child like this. she wouldnt eat her dinner, wouldnt do her homework (she was 6). refused to come in when we asked her to.  she was that bad that the only way she learned was a smack on the bottom. she soon learned that if she did it the first time no smacking.  as harsh  as it seems it works. but first tell them if they dont do wat they are told then they will get a smack. if they dont listen the second time then just smack it will shock them into doin it the first time.

sorry to give such a harsh advice but if it comes down to it then it might be the only way.



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