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becnbabyp | August 31st

Controlled crying?

My 6mth old son is still waking for feeds a couple of times a night. I'm sure he doesnt really need the milk (he's bottle fed) anymore, because he's almost 10kg, gaining weight well, drinking about 950mls during the day as well as eating 1-3 small solid meals. But he wont settle without out the feed.

I'm thinking about trying some form of modified crontrolled crying, where you check in on them regularly but limit any interaction (picking them up, cuddling etc)  .
 

I've read that controlled crying can be harmful because it leads to increase in cortisol levels and as a result less cortisone receptors are developed and then in the longer term, there is a reduced ability to deal with stress etc. And that basically they stop crying because they 'give in' and withdraw. (I haven't explained it very well  )
I was just wondering if its the crying thats the problem or specifically a baby left to cry on its own.
They say when they cry their heart rate and BP increases, and cortisol is produced. So is it just as bad if you have a colicky baby that cries for 3hours straight.  Or is it somehow different when a baby is left on their own. Do they know the difference when you're there and not - because sometimes Phillip (and I know this is true for many other babies) will cry whether I'm with him or not. And often it seems like he doesnt know I'm there or certainly my presence doesnt appear to be making any difference. And occasionally he actually settles better when I leave the room rather than stimulating him by putting my hand on him etc. 
 

Surely, if it is 'being left to cry on their own' as opposed to just 'crying' that is harmful, then if you are going in every 5-10min to check on them and let them know you are there, then 'crying it out' isnt going to be harmful?

But even if you dont go in that regularly to check on them, I find it hard to believe that say 30min of crying on their own (for 3-4 nights) would cause permanent damage (esp if the baby is 5mths plus).
 

I do think if you left a baby to cry for hours, for many days, this would potientially result in emotional/psychological problems.
However, I still think that if you spend all day responding to your baby and reassuring them and cuddling them etc, but just for a few nights allow them to cry for short periods, that this isnt going to cause a problem. 

Surely, all the positive responsive parenting during the day will (this bit is taken from one of the reports I read) result in high levels of oxytocin which will influence positively the permanent organisation of the stress-handling portion of the baby's brain-promoting lasting "securely attached" characteristics in the adolescent and adult
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I cant believe that a positive environment 99% of the time, will be outweighed by a non-responsive ('negative') environment for 1% of the time. There will always be times when we cant respond to our babies. 

People are always saying babies are so resilient, they can survive the most naive parent (which we all are the first time round). I find it hard to believe that it would be so easy to damage a babies psyche.
 

 



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kseers
August 31st | kseers
Re: Controlled crying?

Look to be honest I have mixed feelings about controlled crying and I know exactly where you are coming from.  I have read the research too and I've also read research about baby's emotional response and communication and fears that by letting them cry you are teaching them not to communicate as no-one is responding to them. 

I hated doing cc with my first and refused to do it with my 2nd.  WIth my first he was such a bad sleeper we ended up at a residential hospital and they did it with him at 6mths - it did help him, though it didn't make him sleep through overnight, it was another 5 months before he did.  I tend to be a very hands on and physically connected parent, so it did not sit well with me instinctively.  I am sure there are other ways to help them than letting them cry it out.

I have to say though that there are also different cries and different noises babies make, and for me, learning to leave them a few minutes to see if they settled or intensified was important - a few minutes can tell you a lot about their cry and whether you need to go in.  So, by all means, leave him for a few minutes and see what is happening, then you can go in and out over increasing periods.  If he is really distressed I wouldn't leave him to cry, but often it is just an unsettled, tired cry that doesn't really need a lot of response.

I do think that positive  interactions all day must have a stronger effect than they allow credit for, and I also think if you are going to him, it shows you are responding to him - just not in the way that he wants.  So, to cut my ramble short, I don't think there is an easy answer but you need to listen to your gut instinct, do what works for you and give him as much positive interaction as you can during the day.  Hope that helps!



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chellesil84
August 31st | chellesil84
sanity saver

Perhaps try consistently giving 3 meals a day, maybe slightly bigger?

We used controlled crying from about 6 months when little miss was so in the habit of  being up at 5am for a bottle and then sleeping in until 10am (sounds not too bad but it sucks when you work nights!) But basically, the system I used, we allowed an hour, we went in at 3, 5, 9, 15, 25, 35 then 45 minute intervals, just lay her down, put dummy back in without talking to her, just to reassure we are still there, it took us 3 nights, and she started sleeping 7:30pm to 8am (not that all kiddies sleep that well!) The first night was the hardest because I had to break my habit of sitting holding her for half an hour, but after she went off to sleep after 45mins (we never made it past the hour) it gave me so much confidence to persist with it.

I don't think the way I did it was cruel by any means, I just simply helped teach her the difference between night and day and when she should sleep. Just be strong and adapt a style to suit you, there is no right or wrong way if you are still paying attention to your babies needs.



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MelanieC
August 31st | MelanieC
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I don't believe in controlled crying.... I think it is cruel. My baby is 5 months old and just starting on solilds now. She wakes up twice a night for a feed - which is only 5 minutes.... It can be an inconvenience but it won't last forever. She won't still be waking up at 21!!! I Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it.



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Mintythistle79
August 31st | Mintythistle79
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I fully understand and support parents who are not prepared to do this as it can be a very gut-wrenching experience- however, controlled crying in the main has worked for us. My baby is now a great self settler and we first (successfully) tried this method at around 4 months. He is a breastfed baby  who is also  on  solids, 7 1/2 months and  slightly under 8 kgs.  His bedtime is 6:30 and he pretty much always goes down then- I get him up for a rollover feed at 10pm and that is it from him til about 6am (only time this is a bit different is when he is not feeling 100%/teething etc).

He is a happy, healthy bouncing baby boy and all the more so for having proper and uninterrupted sleep.

I would write down the time intervals when you are going to go back in and comfort though , and then cross them off as you go, otherwise it can be very hard to stick with. We started with 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 etc and very rarely got more than 2 or 3 intervals into the process.

K

 



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      BrightonBelle
August 31st | BrightonBelle
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I agree, Controlled crying worked for us and practically saved my sanity. I will be honest and say that it can be heart wrenching to hear your little one cry but stick with it.

Take care

Clare x



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