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kezwood
kezwood | October 10th

How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

My good friend and her two daughters aged 6 and 9 live across the road from me. I live with my two boys in a shared week on week off situation with their dad.  My boys are Toby, 3 and Josh 5.

The kids frequently play at my both my house and over at the girls house.

Lately however, my boys have been complaining more and more about the rough treatment they are getting from the girls which has included the girls throwing dirt in their eyes, pushing them over, and five days ago,  my eldest came home WITH A BLACK EYE!

When asked about how he got the black eye, Josh (5) gave stock standard answers, 'i don't know, i forget...' and would run off.

At his day care, the teacher finally got an answer fromToby (3) first, and then confirmed the answer with Josh -:"Who gave you the black eye?" Toby answered "it was Jen", Josh answered "Jen, but she told me to keep it a secret btn her and I"

I haven't known how to handle this situation. I made a decision that I would give the 9 yr old girl the opportunity to 'fess up'. So, Yesterday, I rang up the mother and asked her to send Jen over for a little chat. I told the mum that we believed Josh got his black eye from Jen. Jen came over and we sat and had a 'chat' - I told her the whole story and then asked her if she did actually punch Josh.

She went bright red in the face and denied it - very queitly. "No, i didn't do it" she said, "but we were playing and josh did slip down and hurt himself...." she then went on to dob her younger sister in for the dirt throwing and other little acts of bullying.

I spoke to my x/the boys dad this morning who is livid about the situation as he doesn't like my friend, and he's an extremely protective father. I, despite being a mum who desperaely wants to protect her children, confrontation of any sort, and in particular with this woman, scares the absolute banana's out of me!

She's quick tempered and I'm sure there will be a fight of words - her kids against my kids - type of thing.

But her kids are out of control, they are bullies, bad mannered - I have other examples: I've seen the youngest one who is 6, punch my 3 yr old in the stomache - that made me feel sick. I've seen the eldest one who is 9, smashing bottles on the road to the extent that cars had to drive around them. The discipline they got from their mother - nothing about the punch in the stomache, a yell for throwing the bottles, which then she (the mother) cleaned up herself.

I know with my description of the girls and their mother, the answers seem obvious and right in front of my face - but i have a long history with this woman - a long time before either of us had kids of our own -  and we have both been there for each other both emotionally, phsyically, and as mothers helping each other out.

Is it time to let the friendship go? Am I putting too much emphasis on the friendship and not enough on the protection and care of my children? How do I handle this situation? How do I know if my little 5 yr old is telling the truth? (he's been known to lie a lot lately) - but then so do the girls.

Arrgghhh - help please?

 



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Naya
October 12th | Naya
Re: How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

I agree that your first priority has to be to your children. I think your best bet would be to just tell your friend that while you value her friendship, you don't appreciate the way her children bully yours and you don't want them playing together anymore.

From what you've said about the girls I would definitely say they are being abused. Children don't act that way if they are in a stable and loving environment. They sound very angry and yes, they are taking it out on your children. It's their way of gaining some control back into their lives.

I know it probably sounds horrible, but you may want to have child services look in on their situation. Kids can't speak up for themselves most of the time, so they need someone on the outside to speak for them... if no one does what happens to them?

Naya



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      kezwood
October 15th | kezwood
Re: How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

Thanks Naya

I did approach first the child and then the mother. The child denied everything....

And the mother's response: "I don't care Kerryn.  I can't get involved in every one of my children's fights. You'll learn as you get older that you just can't!"

I responded: "So you don't care, you don't care that your child gave mine a black eye, or that your other child punched my little one in the stomach, or that they throw dirt in the boys eyes and push them down the hill"

She said, "No. If I'm there and I see it, I will do something about it. But you can't be there for every argument. Your kids give it out as well......."

and on and on it went....

I asked her about the 'keeping it a secret between you and I" comment, and asked the mum as caring as I could - "Do you think something happened - some sort of abuse in the past for Jen to say that?"

Her comment, "No, I've never heard her say it or anyone else tell me that jen has said it before. If i were you, I'd be asking where josh heard it"

So basically, she didn't care, and in her opinion, I was pretty much overreacting and to just get over it. As a result, we're not allowing the kids to play together anymore - my boys couldn't be more happy. I wish I had have made this move months ago......



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racechick23
October 10th | racechick23
Re: How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

like the other mother said. your child is number one and if it means losing a friendship then so be it. your children do not need to be treated as punching bags, as they are younger your friends children think they can be the bosses.  first you need to speak to their mother and if she doesnt fix the problem then its time to leave the friendship. 

is their father present?  if not that might be the problem, the mother might not have the heart to discipline her girls as she thinks she might lose them.   speaking politley to the mother and let her know what has happened.  but personally i wouldnt let my child play with such aggressive children.

hope this helped



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      kezwood
October 11th | kezwood
Re: How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

thank you for your suggestions, I appreciate it very much



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neets
October 10th | neets
Re: How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

My Aaron was getting punched at school on a daily basis but failed to tell me because I was friends with the childs mother, he told his dad when he went there on the weekend, when I asked Aaron why he didnt tell me his answer was "you are friends with his Mum". I told Aaron in no uncertin terms that he was my number one and I dont care if I loose friendship over him, he also said living in such a small town everyone would know and he felt for the childs family?

thankfully it all worked out fine and the boys are friends,

I know it will be hard for you but your children are your number one and they need to know you are there to protect them, I'd talk to her.

Good luck, &take care of you and yours

Luv AnitaXXX



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      kezwood
October 11th | kezwood
Re: How do I approach this problem in a strong, firm and yet diplomatic way????

thank you....

i fear that's part of the problem, that the girls mother is my friend...

there is no dad around, infact it's been one guy after the other for those poor girls, and with the last 'father figure' there are questions of abuse - sometimes i wonder if it isn't anger at previous situations and these girls are taking it out on younger, defenseless children (my sons).

But you and the other lady are right - I have to put my children first regardless of the friendship.

thanks again....:o)



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