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zoolooau | November 2008

Dummys

Ok this may sound silly all ready cause my daughter is only 12 weeks old but.... When im trying to get her to sleep i giver her, her dummy cause i would rather that then her thumb (for future weaning off of it) ;) but she doesn't keep it in her mouth...

So I am going in there all the time to put it back in till she go's to sleep. Its not a huge problem during the day, but at night it can get very frustrating cause I know she wants to go to sleep but she just wont keep it in.

Anyone got any ideas or have I just dug my self into a hole till she is older and i can wean her off it, lol?



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winja
November 2008 | winja
Re: Dummys

try a bigger dummy? the bell shaped ones tend to stay in better lol my son cannot seem to keep in the smaller ones but the tommee tippee bell ones in a bigger size he loves!



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Willan
November 2008 | Willan
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Hi,

I have 5 children, 2 Grand children and 127 children in care.

This I do not write to show off, only to let you know that I know what I am talking about. The dummy has 2 holes

left and right , I use to put a thick string on both holes and bound the dummy around the little ears, just like glasses.

It helped a lot and I never had the problem, of course I did not .......never told the nurse, as they would not agree.



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      winja
November 2008 | winja
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that sounds like a very bad idea sorry! what about choking hazards?!

NEVER tie anything to your child that can get wrapped around their neck! NEVER



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laurasutcliffe
November 2008 | laurasutcliffe
Re: Dummys

my little girl is 14 weeks she sleeps on her tummy and i find i can put her hand against her dummy so it's there to keep it in. i know this is only helpful if they sleep on tummy. but it may help someone.



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      zoolooau
November 2008 | zoolooau
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wow... you do know what the sids recommend. Not to put babys on there tummy to sleep and only when being watched, I know people use to do it before but I would rather not take the chance.

You did know that? Just letting you know in case, but i guess its your choise if you let her sleep on her tummy :)



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ClareMacpherson
November 2008 | ClareMacpherson
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Hello zoolooau

I am interested in this too. My 8 week old often uses a dummy to get to sleep, sometimes he only needs it to get back to sleep after he has only had a 40min nap (1 sleep cycle). I do notice tho if I leave him for a couple of minutes he sometimes goes back to sleep but other times he sounds too distressed and I am doing what you are - going in and out just to put the dummy back in. Luckily he doesn't seem to do it past 9pm and when we dream feed him at 12am he falls straight back to sleep.

I have found this site very helpful in understanding their sleep patterns but unfortunately it doesn't really answer your question .... http://raisingchildren.net.au/articles/baby_sleep_(two_to_12_months).html/context/730



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zoolooau
November 2008 | zoolooau
Re: Dummys

Thank you so much everyone! it was weird its been a couple of nights since i wrote this and when she wakes up in the night i feed her and put her down and she go's streight to sleep without the dummy..... she still needs it to have it to go so sleep when i put her to bed but during the night shes not needing it lol.

Im still going try and wean her off it now anyway its just a pain lol. Now i just have to train the other pain (boyfriend) not to give it to her lol!

Mite get her a teddy or something to take the place of the dummy :)

Thank you all for your advice, im finaly getting more sleep! YAY



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cathbusymum
November 2008 | cathbusymum
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 Get rid of it while you can!  It'll save you years of hassle. I have 5 kids and I wish I had never given a dummy to the older two. Getting up in the night just for the dummy can get old really fast. Sounds like she's not really interested anyway and that's a good thing. It might take a day or two but what's that compared to years? Being consistent with her sleep time routine is the key.  Mine is a saying we say each time. They will learn the cues you use and know it is time for sleep. I never ever change it! Learning to go to sleep by herself is one of the  fundamentals. She will sleep more soundly, not waking for the dummy and that means you will too.

By the way, I strongly advise not using a chain if you do decide to use a dummy. It is stated on all of them that they should be used under supervision only. They do pose a choking hazard, especially in small babies. They are meant to be used in a pram, not for sleeping with. Please don't put one on your child in a cot at night.



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      Jaylah101
November 2008 | Jaylah101
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I agree with getting rid of it while you can. It will be painful at first now you have introduced it your child but not too late. My first was a dummy baby and I spent more wasted energy on the hassles of cleaning, holding and replacing the dummy to stop crying and screaming quite exhausting. I omitted the use of the dummy  from my future children for my own peace. A favourite cuddly toy to hold should suffice.



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starjen
November 2008 | starjen
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I was going to say to attach it to one of those chains you can buy but reading further she is abviously not old enough  to do that yet. By the sounds of things, she doesn't really want it and my best advice to you is to get rid of it now it only creates more of a problem, like when you search your house everywhere to find it but you cant, and by that stage they wont live wihout it.



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gibbons2
November 2008 | gibbons2
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I have 2 children - a daughter 4yrs and a son 2yrs.  I am sane today because they both had dummies - whatever works for you, I say!  From very early on I used a clip with a plastic chain designed to attach the dummy to the bib or collar of the baby's pj's - it made a bit of a jingling noise so that the baby started to recognise the sound and know that the dummy was nearby.  My daughter soon started to search for her dummy and put back it in her own mouth during the night.  I was surprised and if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I probably would not have believed it.  The dummy chains meet Australian safety standards - ie. not strong enough to choke or strangle, but strong enough not to be broken by baby.  I would not recommend using ribbon, string or anything else and certainly not using a nappy pin or any other kind of attachment device other than the clip that comes with the chain.  I purchased mine from the local pharmacy  I think I've seen them at the supermarket as well.

My son on the other hand was not interested in wearing anything attached to his clothing and would rip it off.  He is still using his dummy to this very day.  I know that he looks around for it during the night and sometimes he's cried out because it's fallen out of his cot and he hasn't been able to find it.  The only solution I had for him was a 'glow in the dark' one which 'kinda' worked.  He is showing signs of not needing it anymore though, so hopefully it won't be a problem for too much longer.  I have also found that he seems to wake less during the night since he's been more active - crawling & now walking because he's sleeping too soundly to notice the dummy has fallen out of his mouth.

I hope my experience helps you.  Good luck!

Regards,

Trish



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petamarie
November 2008 | petamarie
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Hi, I've had four children and they've all been different. They all had a dummy. I found the best way to keep the dummy with them when they were asleep was to attach it to their clothes. You can use a plastic chain or a ribbon, keep it short, so it reaches from their chest to their mouth, use a nappy pin or I used to be able to get mini nappy pins, this way it won't come undone and stick them. They soon learn to feel for the dummy and because it's attached to them, they don't have to go far. As they get older and start crawling and walking, before they get out of the cot, you take the dummy off them and leave it in the cot. That way they realise that it is for sleeping. Although sometimes when they are unwell, my kids had the dummy when they weren't sleeping. By putting the dummy on the chain - you only need to have one going at a time, which makes it easier to wean them off, you don't have dummies turning up when you are sure you got rid of them. I think it was easier to keep the dummy in their mouths because our babies slept on their sides with a cloth nappy rolled up behind them to stop them from rolling onto their backs, which meant they found it easier for them to find their dummies with their mouth, until they learnt to use their hands.

Another thing I did was, while we were still in hospital, I introduced a safe soft toy into their cradle. When we got home I would put them to bed with the soft toy in the corner where they could see it and then I would turn on the wind up music that came with the mobile, this would only play for a couple of minutes, but it was long enough to put them asleep. As they got older they would cuddle the soft toy. By having this routine of dummy, music and soft toy, I would be able to put them to sleep anywhere and on anything. My now 17 year old son, who has just joined the Army, might not sleep with his soft toy but he knows where it is. 

Goodluck with whatever you decide will work for you and your baby.

 



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Kyliekoala
November 2008 | Kyliekoala
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Hi

I have 4 kids they all started with dummies.  The first had one till about  3 months when it melted in the car while we were shopping and she wouldn't take another one(i tried every different brand in town).  I had to wait in the yard every time she cried herself to sleep for 2 days. But she found her thumb and at 10 still sucks it.  The second had a dummy until about 10 months when she just lost interest.  My thierd and fourth are twin boys who had dummies to start with but when Ifound myself in the position you are in at the moment I took them away.  It took two attempts, the first I felt horrible and gave in, the second time it took 1 day for them to get used to it.  They have slept through ever since, and neither sucks their thumb.

I asked my eldests kindy dentist about the thumb sucking and she said if they are going to do it they will no matter what you do.  I believed the same as you but after 4 kids I now believe the dentist.

Just take it away, deal with the crying for 1 or 2 days and you will both be better off in the long run.

Hope that helps and you get a decent nights sleep soon :)



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      Kyliekoala
November 2008 | Kyliekoala
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I just read your other replies.  I read the book "Save our Sleep" too, it is great but I wouldn't reckomend it if you are going to try to follow it to the letter.  I got heaps from it but could never live by it like she says you have to, try everything and keep what suits you.



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helloblue55
November 2008 | helloblue55
Re: Dummys

My son wouldn't take a dummy, but he used ME.  As soon as the nipple fell out of his mouth (or I would put him in his cot) he was fully awake.  In hindsight I would not use breast or dummy to help get babies to sleep.  I would use other sleep-methods eg making sure they are fed/dry/burped and comfortably tucked into bed then a few little bum pats, then leave the darkened room.  Good luck!



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LoUpHeLaN
November 2008 | LoUpHeLaN
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HiYa zooloou,

        I am in the same hole,my baby is only 8 weeks and settles with the dreaded Dummy. #1Girl put her's in the bin last month when she turned 3...was traumatic ( for me..lol) I don't have any quick fixes but with #1,she spat it out when she went to sleep, soI stayed with her. #2 we are teaching and encouraging self settling so I swaddle,tuck in and when I go in and put her dummy in ( bout  5 min of protesting) I turn her head to the side and hold it in place for 10 seconds to make sure she has a good grip. I found with #1 that as she  got older the less she spat it out, that's when I introduced 3 dummies to the cot.

The only other thing I have experianced that hassles is the size of the dummy and the type. #2 was very fussy and I ended up trying 4 types. Tommy, Nam, Avent and now she has settled on Pigeon( same as bottle).

Good luck with the dummy delema.



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SELENAK73
November 2008 | SELENAK73
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by about 4 - 4.5 months your baby will have learnt to use their hands and will be able to put the dummy back into their own mouths as long as it is in reach, so with all 3 of my children I put their dummies on a plastic chain that you can buy at your local supermarket but attach it low so it just reaches their mouths so it doesnt get caught up around their necks when the start to roll.  Dummies are great to help with reflux etc, but if it is an annoyance at night, find another pacifier like a glow bear or night light that can sooth them....without stimulating sounds.

dont worry it wont last for too much longer



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Guerin
November 2008 | Guerin
Re: Dummys

All I can suggest is duct tape.  Put the dummy in her mouth and then put duct tape over the dummy and her mouth.  Voila dummy stays in.

I'm guessing that she is whinging after it falls out.  Realistic suggestion unless it gets hysterical just let her whinge for a bit and you will probably find she will go to sleep.



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Granny-5
November 2008 | Granny-5
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 Hello...This is my first time ever to Minti so you are the first one Ive answered to but I felt I needed to. I myself have 4 kids & now 5 grandkids so I know what you are going thru. My best advice is listen to what everyone suggests then make your own decision. I feel dummies are a good idea if you get them used to only having it at sleep times & eventually when its time to be weaned off that you let them throw it away & praise them for being a big girl now(mind you make sure you always have a spare..just in case).Also perhaps consider having either a tape or radio on softly while they nod off as it helps them feel that they are not alone,  as well so that they will eventually sleep thru anything, also its best you get into a routine quite soon even if you are out, because trust me..they will remember. Hope this helps you..Granny-5



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      zoolooau
November 2008 | zoolooau
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Yay thank you for making me your first :) I would welcome you but I only joined yesterday so i don't know if i can lol.

Anyway, yeah i will make my own desition in the end but I just needed some ideas. She is still only young but I must confess im lazy lol and i would rather put the hard yards in early to avoid more work later on lol.

Maybe i should keep you on file with all that experiance im sure you would be able to help me in the future lol and of course if there is anything i can help you with :)

Thanx again



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funkcoolo
November 2008 | funkcoolo
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Oh dear you are making a serious rod for your own back!

Why would you give her anything?

Do yourself a favour and buy the book save our sleep by Tizzy hall it is fab.

A little anal and strict at first but my oh my does it work!

You will always have a fantastic sleeper who self settles no mummy ,no dummy ,no nothing!



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      zoolooau
November 2008 | zoolooau
Re: Dummys

yeah, the main reason i gave her a dummy is so she wouldn't find her thumb and have to try and wean her off that (you cant just throw that away lol)!  I also read somewhere they they like to suck, its just what they do (and bottle fed baby's need to suck more???) something like that, bottle feeding wasn't my choice either :(

Luck my mum said from the start get her in a routine, cause she sleeps a lot longer at night and she know when its bed time, and that was from only a few weeks old.

I think I may have to go look for that book, its good to be strict to begin with cause it saves headaches (like this) later on hehe

Thanx again!



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           mystikal
November 2008 | mystikal
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Hey I also read somewhere that dummys can help reduce SIDS. I like the idea of dummys anyway because babies learn by oral reflex more than anything else. They explore and learn by putting their mouth on things.



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mystikal
November 2008 | mystikal
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This is what I do with my son.... I put the dummy in his mouth if he doesn't want it, he spits it out. I try one more time by playing a game, tapping him on the top lip going "ba ba, ba ba" and it knows this is his last chance to have his dummy or it goes away. I stick to it and don't give in or he will expect me to keep going in there and putting it in his mouth.

 



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      zoolooau
November 2008 | zoolooau
Re: Dummys

hehe that sounds like a good idea as well ! Tho if she doesn't get something she screams down the house. maybe when shes a little older and im trying to wean her off it that would help!

Thanx for the idea!



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           Guerin
November 2008 | Guerin
Re: Dummys

Then let her.  It is just screaming and my daughter does the same.

Also trust yourself if it is distress go in, hurt go in.  If it is I'm not getting what I want i.e dummy leave it for a bit.

 



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      mystikal
November 2008 | mystikal
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whoops I just called my child an "it" lol I mean he. Bad mummy.



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tnt012
November 2008 | tnt012
Re: Dummys

Hi,

I use to be in the same situation with my daughter.  She needed her dummy every time she had to go to sleep.  If she didn't have it she would scream the house down.  I feel for you I really do :)   I found if she had one of her favorite fluffy toys to sleep with she would be alright.  I read her stories that made her sleepy and it took time for her to eventually go to sleep without her dummy.  They eventually grow out of it...  I was thankful that she didn't put her thumb in her mouth or sleep with a bottle of milk like some young children do as this effects there teeth later in life.

Good luck



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      zoolooau
November 2008 | zoolooau
Re: Dummys

Hehe glad to see im not alone, I didn't think I would be! So yeah I mite try different shaped dummys and then try and give her a toy in sted cause thats what I would rather anyway, but apparently babys have a need to just suck like dogs need to chew lol. So finding one that work better mite help till she can just sleep with a toy!

Thank you for your replys already I would still like to hear of other advise as well if anyone has some!

Was she like a light switch? She would be happy playing then suddenly scream down the house if she was hungry or for no reason at all hehe?  My baby can scream the house down i do everything to try make her feel better then if nothing works make her a bottle and she only takes like 20ml..... its very frustrating lol.



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kellz08
November 2008 | kellz08
Re: Dummys

hayy there,

my son was like that and i found that no matter what i tried he just wouldnt get out of it so i gave up on the dummy an he just has his bottle in there but if u dont want that. have you seen the medicine dummys that are shaped like a bottle she may take to that a bit more. or you may want to try different shaped dummies

good luck

                                                                      



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